Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 4:56 am
It's a bit too late in the game for the kneejerk OMGUS to look viable
Regardless, my objective is to kill Roden and end the game
Regardless, my objective is to kill Roden and end the game
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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 4:57 am
I was also the first one on your wagon and I unvoted, because I had doubts it was you and wasn’t convinced on Kitty. Had a Greeting wagon been an option, I 100% would have voted that.
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 4:59 am
But you know what, if the town votes Vulture out instead and I need to put more work in it's no biggie. I'm loving this game, the players are very motivated
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 5:01 am
Well I honestly don’t gaf and since I know it’s not me and I don’t see how it’s GL, Ari or fire, it makes perfect sense to me and since I know you’re wrong on me if you’re town and that is wrongly factoring into your Roden vote. why should I be trusting it?In post 1550, Vivax wrote:It's a bit too late in the game for the kneejerk OMGUS to look viable
Regardless, my objective is to kill Roden and end the game
Fmpov, you’re either wrong town or scum when it comes to me, so no as long as that’s factoring into to your Roden vote, I’m 100% not trusting it.
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 5:03 am
This is not a townie train of thought, but rather the thought of someone who knows that the information he gives can be used to determine the correct launchIn post 1416, Roden wrote:I'm just struggling to figure out how to participate without inducing WIFOM by just existing
I feel like I'm in a weird spot where anything I say is going to get interpreted as being way more layered than it actually is. Some of the votes on Dann were made because of a pre-flipped read on me and looking too deeply into my town read on him. Idk, I don't want to ruin the game by centralizing who to vote for over things that are in my ISO.
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 5:06 am
I want a Roden scumcase and/or Vulture towncase that has nothing whatsoever to do with me. I’d also really like to understand why you’re tr RR and sr me, because had I not unvoted, perhaps Vulture hammers?In post 1552, Vivax wrote:But you know what, if the town votes Vulture out instead and I need to put more work in it's no biggie. I'm loving this game, the players are very motivated
I think Bell never moves because he was totally focused on getting towncred with his votes on both days.
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 5:10 am
Both of them look really bad here but what we need to determine is which one looks worse. Anyway. you should read through my interactions with both Roden and Vulture because I think it’s beyond obvious I’m not aligned with either.In post 1554, Vivax wrote:This is not a townie train of thought, but rather the thought of someone who knows that the information he gives can be used to determine the correct launchIn post 1416, Roden wrote:I'm just struggling to figure out how to participate without inducing WIFOM by just existing
I feel like I'm in a weird spot where anything I say is going to get interpreted as being way more layered than it actually is. Some of the votes on Dann were made because of a pre-flipped read on me and looking too deeply into my town read on him. Idk, I don't want to ruin the game by centralizing who to vote for over things that are in my ISO.
Because if you’re town, I don’t want that to influence your Roden read.
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 5:16 am
My problem is also, I’m paranoiaing on both RR and you now and both of you are pushing Roden. It’s possible it’s reverse psychology to make me vote Vulture but I need to think more on this.
I want to hear what Ari and fire think.
I want to hear what Ari and fire think.
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 6:00 am
There’s your answer @Vivax. Ari was not going to let Kitty escape, so Vulture if scum, would obviously bus here.In post 707, Dannflor wrote:If KittyTacky is scum here then I would suspect they are being actively sacrificed by scum.
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 6:01 am
um you are aware that i literally did hammer like 20 posts later, right?In post 1547, Vivax wrote:Because either you or fire were not hammering KTIn post 1539, Vivax wrote:Most based votecount I foundIn post 919, Datisi wrote:vote count 1.11
with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-08-11 09:45:00).
VOTE: Roden
While I've had 2 flipped scum on me at minimum
And KT had one flipped on them
So either you argue both wagons were scum, or that you and fire are always a t/m combo and try to reach Rodens alignment from there
Knowing I'm town, I highly doubt Vulture wouldn't pile on me as scum there, for me it's easier to reach the conclusion that Roden is the one we lim
i think all of the scum were already on the wagons at this point and i don't think there's really much reason to doubt that
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 6:04 am
loki im p sure this is town vivax. probably try not to let anything he says influence your votes too much
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 6:09 am
I’m going to say it again. I don’t believe Bell was the only scum bussing Kitty. Ari was hellbent on Kitty going through and Dann was equally hellbent on Vivax not.In post 1517, Loki Dokie wrote:I think specifically because of the mech, it’s extremely unlikely that 4/5 scum were on Vivax and only one bussed.In post 1516, Loki Dokie wrote:In post 944, Datisi wrote:vote count 1.final
with 13 votes in play, it took 7 to make a decision. day 1 ended.
So Vivax, that is a seriously bad metric for tr Vulture here.
As for your fire read, in a world where he’s ever scum here, he deserves the win but I don’t see why he’d be hardpushing the correct votes on both d2 and 3 if he were scum here. Because then he’d be essentially gamethrowing if scum because scum was one down.
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 6:11 am
4 scum on my wagon except Bell then?
It‘s possible tbh, but calling Loki mafia is kinda fun for the hard Omgus every time anyway
It‘s possible tbh, but calling Loki mafia is kinda fun for the hard Omgus every time anyway
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 6:13 am
In post 1558, Loki Dokie wrote:There’s your answer @Vivax. Ari was not going to let Kitty escape, so Vulture if scum, would obviously bus here.In post 707, Dannflor wrote:If KittyTacky is scum here then I would suspect they are being actively sacrificed by scum.
And this, so I ask you again, how this clears Vulture?In post 833, Dannflor wrote:All I know is that my gut reaction to the Vivax wagon is disgust
VOTE: KittyTacky
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 6:13 am
In post 1558, Loki Dokie wrote:There’s your answer @Vivax. Ari was not going to let Kitty escape, so Vulture if scum, would obviously bus here.In post 707, Dannflor wrote:If KittyTacky is scum here then I would suspect they are being actively sacrificed by scum.
And this, so I ask you again, how this clears Vulture?In post 833, Dannflor wrote:All I know is that my gut reaction to the Vivax wagon is disgust
VOTE: KittyTacky
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 6:13 am
only if it's RR/roden. which is possible but not at all the only optionIn post 1562, Vivax wrote:4 scum on my wagon except Bell then?
It‘s possible tbh, but calling Loki mafia is kinda fun for the hard Omgus every time anyway
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 6:13 am
That VC should be a Roden auto vote every time in a sane game
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 6:15 am
But I sympathize with tinfoilers. The first elim is the most important for the scummers however
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 6:16 am
this setup is not a normal game tho and scum are very aware about how people will be heavily analyzing the d1 vcs for associations and wagonomics considering multiple scum have to flip guaranteed
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 6:17 am
In post 760, fireisredsir wrote:also scum has a ton of wiggle room in this situation so please later be careful about assumptions that people usually make like "oh scum wouldn't all pile on a wagon together" or "scum must be the ones pushing this counterwagon to scum" because they have 5 people. we need 7 to elim. to get an elim on scum without bussing we need 7/8 town people to agree. that's just not really ever gonna happen if scum doesn't want it to
so scum is free to just mostly do whatever they want and be as unconventional as possible with their votes in order to look unpaired with each other, bc they know that multiple of them will have to flip at some point
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 6:19 am
It’s not fun if we lose because of it and Greeting also had this weird post calling RR a deep wolf, which is what I expected today’s pairing to be.In post 1562, Vivax wrote:4 scum on my wagon except Bell then?
It‘s possible tbh, but calling Loki mafia is kinda fun for the hard Omgus every time anyway
Knowing that everyone and their uncle had pretty much already locked Roden in as scum, why was if scum, was he paired with Vulture, instead whomever was the final scum?
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 6:22 am
also for full disclosure when i typed that d1 i was kinda thinking about the possibility that bell, GL, and ari could have just decided to all group as 3 and hard bus kitty lol
that's obviously not what happened since at least one of GL/ari is town tho
i also at the time didn't fully realize how damaging to scum it would be to have a scum death d1. i think that GL or ari probably would as scum? but id also think vulture would so idk. ig as a recent replace in they might not have fully thought through the setup
that's obviously not what happened since at least one of GL/ari is town tho
i also at the time didn't fully realize how damaging to scum it would be to have a scum death d1. i think that GL or ari probably would as scum? but id also think vulture would so idk. ig as a recent replace in they might not have fully thought through the setup
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 6:22 am
In post 1567, Vivax wrote:But I sympathize with tinfoilers. The first elim is the most important for the scummers however
I’m saying scum really had no choice. There was no way Kitty wasn’t going through.In post 1564, Loki Dokie wrote:In post 1558, Loki Dokie wrote:There’s your answer @Vivax. Ari was not going to let Kitty escape, so Vulture if scum, would obviously bus here.In post 707, Dannflor wrote:If KittyTacky is scum here then I would suspect they are being actively sacrificed by scum.And this, so I ask you again, how this clears Vulture?In post 833, Dannflor wrote:All I know is that my gut reaction to the Vivax wagon is disgust
VOTE: KittyTacky
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 6:23 am
If scum get the first elim right and ML someone, they can get a whole bunch of townies (but at least 2) that are potential victims later on for being on the wrong wagon. Plus the points system disincentivizes bussing.In post 1568, fireisredsir wrote:this setup is not a normal game tho and scum are very aware about how people will be heavily analyzing the d1 vcs for associations and wagonomics considering multiple scum have to flip guaranteed
There‘s also the tendency to assume that 4 scummers don‘t vote together which is somewhat of a gamblers fallacy.
The only question is if you expect them to be more vs less organized but in the average game it‘s mostly everyone for himself. If they were organized they could have hammered me when I was at L-2 and L-1.
So we‘re not dealing with a highly coordinated team fmpov
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 6:29 am
Of course it was damaging to scum but if you’re scum and you know short of a last minute miracle, your buddy’s getting whacked, it’s like the making lemons out of lemonade thing, so why not jump on Kitty atp for free towncred?In post 1571, fireisredsir wrote:also for full disclosure when i typed that d1 i was kinda thinking about the possibility that bell, GL, and ari could have just decided to all group as 3 and hard bus kitty lol
that's obviously not what happened since at least one of GL/ari is town tho
i also at the time didn't fully realize how damaging to scum it would be to have a scum death d1. i think that GL or ari probably would as scum? but id also think vulture would so idk. ig as a recent replace in they might not have fully thought through the setup
And especially for Vulture, being a late day replace in, so they could vote wherever with 0 suspicion on them.