Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2022 4:27 pm
Sit down, GribIn post 1537, Grib wrote:Anyway, he knows there’s no world where we kill anyone -he- wants us to kill this phase. So he’s eliminating any further incriminating interactions.
In my opinion.
Sit down, GribIn post 1537, Grib wrote:Anyway, he knows there’s no world where we kill anyone -he- wants us to kill this phase. So he’s eliminating any further incriminating interactions.
In my opinion.
Okay here is what I was looking for earlier. The problem with the VCA Elements has presented is that it doesn't include the impact of their own vote on the wagon movements. I think this disclaimer is an example of lampshading which is NAI (I think?) What's scummy in Elements ISO is the use of VCA to explain their reads because it helps to project the image of being reasonable while not requiring any descriptions for how they feel about given players.In post 1451, Elements wrote:Disclaimer: I'm going to treat myself as town for this analysis because that takes out a variable and makes this easier for me.
Your recent posts are moving me toward that place VERY quicklyIn post 1535, Grib wrote:Spoiler: Frog meta
There is a very obvious lack of tilt here, or passion, or urgency. If Frog is town here.
It sounds like you aren't even thinkinv about the game at all because until I said anything you were all dramatic about your intent to vote out NM after you mislim Frog.In post 1555, Grib wrote:In any case, I do agree that if you’re town, Elements is very likely scum.
In post 1534, Grib wrote:Ok, I’ll say it. Frog is strategically lurking. I’ve never played with him before but his personality type doesn’t really mesh with “give up” as a villager.
My problem with thjs is that you assumed I gave up and that there weren't any NAI reasons for my decreased energy levels.In post 1535, Grib wrote:Spoiler: Frog meta
There is a very obvious lack of tilt here, or passion, or urgency. If Frog is town here.
You're right. asking the person that is almost unanimously scumread to claim is phishingIn post 1545, Frogsterking wrote:This is role phishingIn post 1520, Elements wrote:Is it to early to ask frog to claim?
Most of us are coming at you. Just because you thought Fire was cop with an inno on me doesn't mean anyone else did.In post 1546, Frogsterking wrote:@everyone townreading Elements for D3
I'm assuming that the Fire kill was a failed TPR hunt. If anyone wants to challenge me on that claim then come at me.
Me trying to interact with you is not "narrowing down for a pr". You literally said yourself "if you want to read me talk to me not about me" I tried to do that and now you're calling me scum. You have given 0 reads these last 2 days except whoever is easiest to attack at the time, and Aisa. Hence me asking you about Aisa. As youWith that in mind, what do you think Elements is trying to accomplish on page 61 with this series of questions:
Spoiler:
I'm not saying that any of you are stupid for not noticing this because IIRC I was one of the first to trust Elements on D1. I didn't find much reason to suspect Elements on D1 but I'mcertainty that Elements is scum based on their D2 and D3 play. On D2 Elements is the best candidate to be a/the busser on BBT and on D3 Elements is trying to narrow down an investigative TPR. For example, in 1518 Elements is trying to figure out whether Grib specifically has anhighinnoon NM. That is like...the only point to that question and I don't think that it can be Town motivated.
I can also say that I'm pretty sure (maybemoderatecertainty) there is a scum roleblocker and I'mlowcertainty that Elements is the scum roleblocker.
Is it time for you to say them yet?[/quote]In post 1045, Frogsterking wrote:I had some things to say that are better left unsaid.
A point which is completely undermined by the fact I actually give reads in separate posts unlike youIn post 1551, Frogsterking wrote:Okay here is what I was looking for earlier. The problem with the VCA Elements has presented is that it doesn't include the impact of their own vote on the wagon movements. I think this disclaimer is an example of lampshading which is NAI (I think?) What's scummy in Elements ISO is the use of VCA to explain their reads because it helps to project the image of being reasonable while not requiring any descriptions for how they feel about given players.In post 1451, Elements wrote:Disclaimer: I'm going to treat myself as town for this analysis because that takes out a variable and makes this easier for me.
This is really rich coming from the player who pushed me while I was inactive and has angled constantly to appear "logical" about voting NM:In post 1559, Elements wrote:You have given 0 reads these last 2 days except whoever is easiest to attack at the time, and Aisa.
In post 1353, Elements wrote:I dislike that NM didn't vote BBT at all
In post 1379, Elements wrote:Maybe Grib NM
In post 1394, Elements wrote:NM slots in with BBT as a partner I thinkIn post 1392, Grib wrote:I probably owe it to Firebringer to leave you alone for now anyways.
Problem is, aside from Frog I don't have a better candidate for the last mafia. NM? I really want to believe I'm correctly townrading Bella/Eira/Aisa.
Caption hereeeeeIn post 1414, Elements wrote:Not_Mafia
Has vote for: Me (biggest wagon), Aisa (making it the biggest wagon), Bella (weren't really any wagons at the time), Frog (biggest wagon)
The only biggest wagon NM didn't voted for was BBT. Both day 1 and day 2.
Conclusion: NM fits with BBT as scum
This is straw manning my argument becauseIn post 1566, Elements wrote:Frog's entire 'case' on me is that I'm TPR hunting because I've been asking people about their reads. That is literally all you do in mafia. Ask people about their reads. That's ALL there is to do. Frog is trying to push me on the basis of me playing the game.
^^ yes because the Fire kill was a TPR hunt. This is a misdirection because at the time the kill was made there was no reason for Elements to believe they would be pushed hard today or that they would need a pocket alive to defend them.In post 1417, Elements wrote:So I hard bus my partner and then kill of the only person that's town reading me?In post 1415, Grib wrote:Yes.In post 1409, Elements wrote:Do you think the Firebringer kill indicates me as scum more than Bella as scum?In post 1398, Grib wrote:If Bella is a partner, then BBT charged himself with protecting her. With the way he played, I don't think she's his partner. And the Firebringer kill would be hella weird after Bella openly shaded him at deadline for townreading you.
But I’m by no means locked onto that. Just need a healthy amount of discussion and different perspectives.
...says the active posting scum player to the lurking town slot who accuses themIn post 1565, Elements wrote:A point which is completely undermined by the fact I actually give reads in separate posts unlike youIn post 1551, Frogsterking wrote:Okay here is what I was looking for earlier. The problem with the VCA Elements has presented is that it doesn't include the impact of their own vote on the wagon movements. I think this disclaimer is an example of lampshading which is NAI (I think?) What's scummy in Elements ISO is the use of VCA to explain their reads because it helps to project the image of being reasonable while not requiring any descriptions for how they feel about given players.In post 1451, Elements wrote:Disclaimer: I'm going to treat myself as town for this analysis because that takes out a variable and makes this easier for me.
Pings me back to this scum poster from one of my first games:In post 1569, Frogsterking wrote:...says the active posting scum player to the lurking town slot who accuses themIn post 1565, Elements wrote:A point which is completely undermined by the fact I actually give reads in separate posts unlike youIn post 1551, Frogsterking wrote:Okay here is what I was looking for earlier. The problem with the VCA Elements has presented is that it doesn't include the impact of their own vote on the wagon movements. I think this disclaimer is an example of lampshading which is NAI (I think?) What's scummy in Elements ISO is the use of VCA to explain their reads because it helps to project the image of being reasonable while not requiring any descriptions for how they feel about given players.In post 1451, Elements wrote:Disclaimer: I'm going to treat myself as town for this analysis because that takes out a variable and makes this easier for me.
Jeez, get off your high horse and stop massaging your own egoIn post 1570, Frogsterking wrote:Pings me back to this scum poster from one of my first games:In post 1569, Frogsterking wrote:...says the active posting scum player to the lurking town slot who accuses themIn post 1565, Elements wrote:A point which is completely undermined by the fact I actually give reads in separate posts unlike youIn post 1551, Frogsterking wrote:Okay here is what I was looking for earlier. The problem with the VCA Elements has presented is that it doesn't include the impact of their own vote on the wagon movements. I think this disclaimer is an example of lampshading which is NAI (I think?) What's scummy in Elements ISO is the use of VCA to explain their reads because it helps to project the image of being reasonable while not requiring any descriptions for how they feel about given players.In post 1451, Elements wrote:Disclaimer: I'm going to treat myself as town for this analysis because that takes out a variable and makes this easier for me.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... &start=325
FMPOV Elements is acting like a deep scum who got caught off guard thanks to yours truly.
I have very little idea and I'm hoping the final slot can be resolved by night actions.In post 1564, Eiralox wrote:@Frogster: IF you feel so troong about elements! scum, who do like for third?