California Trilogy: City of Angels - On Camera (Game Over)

[VP Baltar]

Happy Scumday, DGB!

DGB was actually my biggest downfall in this game. I was being way too lenient on her because we were having a good time with the on camera acting. You tricked me with entertainment!

Beyond me personally not doing fantastic on stage, I think the town was too scattered to be effective. We either had people showing major apathy toward this game (hewitt) or too much interest (Talilan, Gaspar, Elmosarian). The early mega wall fighting with those latter three made me want to pull my hair out since it reached the point of diminishing returns by about page 10. All of them are good players, so I basically saw it as at least one of them being scum who was trying to drive the town toward apathy with their walls. Oh how wrong I was.

I think even if we had stuck with my plan of lynching hewitt and Starkiss first, it would have been difficult to lynch MO. Maybe Thesp could have convinced me since my gut kept telling me he was town, but I don't know...this is about the 99th game in a row where I haven't listened to my gut and have lost. One day I'll learn.

[VP Baltar]

Glancing at the scum QT, I can happily say that I at least inspired fear in endgame....


....or at least mild discomfort not disimilar late night heartburn. Go me!

[DrippingGoofball]

VP for the scumday wishes VP.

You had me in stitches the whole time on-camera. You were the funniest thing ever to hit the site.

You totally deserve an Oscar for your deadly accurate personification of the Grim Reaper. If not that, at least a FUNNIEST PLAYER scummie.

Hey this game finished in 2009. I believe I can still nominate you!

[DrippingGoofball]

If anyone else would like to support VP Baltar's nomination and inspire him to start a lucrative career writing skits for SNL, please follow link to nomination thread:

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 07#2026607

[VP Baltar]

awww, I'd be nothing without you and your Evangelion as my muse. thanks for the nom...especially since that's an award that should just be named after you.

[Zachrulez]

DGB was actually my biggest downfall in this game. I was being way too lenient on her because we were having a good time with the on camera acting. You tricked me with entertainment!

I know you two being joined at the hip was a large factor in me believing you were an evil DGB minion.

Toward the end after I was dead I came around simply for the fact that I don't think scum would have put so much effort into trying to actually figure everything out... lol

[VP Baltar]

Sorry, Zach. That was probably very frustrating. ITT, MS learns that VP is easily distracted by low-brow comedy.

[Zachrulez]

Sorry, Zach. That was probably very frustrating. ITT, MS learns that VP is easily distracted by low-brow comedy.

Goofball was frustrating. You were pretty receptive IIRC. When we were discussing that whole stuntman thing, Thok was actually opposed to you stunting off... I think we seriously dropped the ball on that one by not taking more notice of that.

BTW, me and the wife cracked up when you sobbed over our death.

[Papa Zito]

Troll gives warm greetings to all in the thread.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

Vote: hewitt

Comedy gold.

Zorblag was indeed still playing the game. He was the little devil sitting on my shoulder, whispering sweet stratagems in my ear. The whole PZ-Troll fight was actually a coverup for what had happened in the QT. If he'd actually left I'd probably have reverted to this account just for sanity's sake.

Troll also thanks Papa Zito for putting up with Troll as a partner even when Troll stormed out of the game due to control issues Troll had as part of the scum team. Troll thanks the rest of the scum team as well but Papa Zito in particular as him was the one that had to bear most of the burden of Troll for the remainder of the game.

Nah, it was fine. Besides, it was kinda fun to let you manipulate things in the shadows. Poor townies didn't know they still had you to reckon with...

I'm amazed we got anywhere near this point really given the absolute meltdown the scum team had, really.

Your quick hammer yesterday was strange.

It was totally on accident. Honest injun. I really was so caught up with the condorcet nonsense (I was trying to get Starkiss off the top spot) that I didn't even notice the vote count. This is what I posted in the QT when I realized:

Holy shit I just accidentally lynched Talilan.

lol

Add my thanks to mith for modding and for showing the site that a heavily themed game doesn't have to rely on power roles.

Also my thanks to elmosaurian and Talilan for being so scary that I had to come out and attack you guys head-on.

BTW... as a fervent Anonymous supporter during the war, playing a Scientologist was lulz and the ending of this game was goddamned creepy.

[Thok]

I'm amazed we got anywhere near this point really given the absolute meltdown the scum team had, really.

Yeah. Right around day 6 (when Goofballs posted her plan for that scene), the scum team essentially stopped posting in the quicktopic. We got back together around when I was asking my question, and then CKD turned up town and Starkiss turned up scum and day 7 was obviously much happier (and much shorter) for the scum team.

[VP Baltar]

I'm going to have to go back and read this alleged scum meltdown. Too bad the lousy QT is epically long and won't let me view all posts so I don't have to click back 110 times.

BTW, me and the wife cracked up when you sobbed over our death.

Anytime you or Sotty die, regardless of alignment, I go into a week of mourning. Why can't I quit you! *sobs*

[Zachrulez]

I'm going to have to go back and read this alleged scum meltdown. Too bad the lousy QT is epically long and won't let me view all posts so I don't have to click back 110 times.

I think if you play with the post number link, you can get it to display 400 or 500 posts at the most at any one time.

BTW, me and the wife cracked up when you sobbed over our death.

Anytime you or Sotty die, regardless of alignment, I go into a week of mourning. Why can't I quit you! *sobs*

I figured with the wife as she's awesome...

But me, now that's a surprise.

[VP Baltar]

Pssh, I'm just using her to buddy up to you Zach. I could never forgive her for costing me a scum victory in EK's Amnesiac mafia.


In an unrelated note, what were the potential endgame setups mith?

[mith]

The Endgame setups are as follows:

[-8,-5], early Endgame triggered by eliminating all but 5 Innocents = 2:5 Vanilla (2 Mafia, 5 Townies)
[-4,-2] = California (2 Mafia, 1 Cop, 4 Townies)
-1 = 2:5 Reverse Vengeful (2 Mafia, 5 Townies, Mafia can only kill if their partner is lynched or if no lynch is agreed.)
0 = California with Cop head-start (2 Mafia, 1 Cop, 4 Townies)
+1 = 2:5 Nightless (2 Mafia, 5 Townies, Mafia can't kill unless no lynch is agreed.)
[+2,+4] = 2:5 Lovers (2 Mafia, 5 Townies, Town only needs to lynch one of the Mafia to win.)
[+5,+8], early Endgame triggered by eliminating all by 2 Scientologists (counting the Traitor) = 2:5 Nightless Lovers (2 Mafia, 5 Townies, Town only needs to lynch one of the Mafia to win, Mafia can't kill unless no lynch is agreed.)

[VP Baltar]

rawr...anything but the worst endgame scenario and I think we would have had a good chance of winning.

[Zachrulez]

Pssh, I'm just using her to buddy up to you Zach. I could never forgive her for costing me a scum victory in EK's Amnesiac mafia.


In an unrelated note, what were the potential endgame setups mith?

I think I caught the last day of that game.

Wish I could have played in it... my wife gets all the good games, even if it doesn't look that way to anyone else.

[Zachrulez]

Yeah, looking at the way this game went down, we could have stopped lynching to maintain maximum town power early on and there wouldn't have been much the scum could do to stop us from racking up points if we put enough logic into it.

(We could have just dumped most of the scum off camera to keep them from influencing the decision as we found them.)

Would have been interesting to see how that would have worked out actually. As it was, we were fighting goofball pretty hard just to stay even.

[Thesp]

First off, thanks to everyone for playing. I appreciated the efforts put in by almost all of you, and this was a pretty darn good cast of people. I was particularly amazed and impressed by mith's efforts in running a smooth, fantastically designed and thought-out game, and adding rich flavor and theme to the game.

I

hated

this game. I'm still trying to figure out why, but I hated this game with a passion, and I apologize if some of that spilled out and affected others' enjoyment of the game. I think it was the inherent stunted nature of the game that got to me - there were some players I never got to meaningfully interact with, yet they were significant to the outcome of the game. There was so much to sift through and so much fracturing of groups that it made re-reads impossible. On top of that, there were no real roles of any significant utility during the course of the game for the town to use. I appreciated the hard-and-fast two week deadlines because otherwise a game that took forever would have taken longer than forever.

I also hated the split name/character bit, and the roleplaying onstage seemed cutesy at first, but I felt it was ultimately detrimental to playing the game - it interfered with scumhunting at times, and so when I would break away from it for tactically sound reasons, I felt like I was letting the mod and other players down, which bothered me.

I was also frustrated by particular people in the game (and it's probably no surprise who they are), which may have affected my enjoyment of the game. I'm particularly frustrated by hewitt, whom I feel gave the game to scum by not trying after so much effort had been put into the game by so many people. (Granted, the scum played magnificently, so it's entirely possible we wouldn't have won anyway.)

I do resonate with Talitha's notion that I appreciate a game where when scum put more effort in, they see their efforts rewarded. I also think that scum did exceedingly well (Thok in particular had me totally snowed, and while I had suspicions of Mighty Orbots and GoofballsAndBalloons, they managed to do the right things at the right times to keep my senses off), and they deserve plenty of credit for the victory.

Thank you all for playing. I'd be more than happy and honored to play with almost all of you again. I hope you have a Merry Christmas, and I look forward to finally being able to sign up for another game!

[Sotty7]

Pssh, I'm just using her to buddy up to you Zach. I could never forgive her for costing me a scum victory in EK's Amnesiac mafia.

I would have thought the awesome cult victory of greatness in Vipod would have made up for that by now

As for this game, I had a lot of fun. Hydra'ing with Zach was great. We are two very different players but mesh well I think. Plus when things were getting really heated we could actually talk about the game with each other which was great. I think we pretty much managed to keep all hydra disagreements that some of the other accounts suffered with out of the thread.

Thok had me fooled pretty hard and MO was slightly scummy in the drink scene but he had me convinced he wasn't scum so booo. Catching on to DGB was great and probably my fav moment of the game when we had the epic back and forth. Being dead kinda sucked

I kinda feel like the town should have been told that Troll came back. Not sure if that would have changed anything but it feels a little wrong that we weren't told.

All in all it was a fun little game that I couldn't stop reading after I was dead, still trying to figure out who the scumz were. Nice job Mith, well played scum team

[Zachrulez]

I was also frustrated by particular people in the game (and it's probably no surprise who they are), which may have affected my enjoyment of the game. I'm particularly frustrated by hewitt, whom I feel gave the game to scum by not trying after so much effort had been put into the game by so many people. (Granted, the scum played magnificently, so it's entirely possible we wouldn't have won anyway.)

While I can understand your feelings, I believe that Hewitt (and probably Starkiss as well.) should have been dealt with LONG before endgame.

Instead we lynched far more valuable players.

[VP Baltar]

Thesp, you were my hero in endgame even though I was suspicious you were just playing me for a fool. At least I had someone reciprocating the effort I was trying to put in. I should have listened to you about MO though.

[VP Baltar]

I was also frustrated by particular people in the game (and it's probably no surprise who they are), which may have affected my enjoyment of the game. I'm particularly frustrated by hewitt, whom I feel gave the game to scum by not trying after so much effort had been put into the game by so many people. (Granted, the scum played magnificently, so it's entirely possible we wouldn't have won anyway.)

While I can understand your feelings, I believe that Hewitt (and probably Starkiss as well.) should have been dealt with LONG before endgame.

Instead we lynched far more valuable players.

This is true. I'm actually pretty surprised that Starkiss lasted as long as they did. They were suspected as scum after the first scene but always managed to be just out of lynching range. That is probably where the big wall blow ups were killing the town most. Town was somewhat on the right track, but for the sake of clarity had to deal with unnecessary side lynches.

[Zachrulez]

I kinda feel like the town should have been told that Troll came back. Not sure if that would have changed anything but it feels a little wrong that we weren't told.

Yeah, I echo this sentiment. I have an ethical qualm with this. (And am not sure how justified it is.) I just more or less feel like Zorblag was playing a game with us while we just didn't realize that we were still playing a game with Zorblag... something about that just doesn't feel right to me.

Though it may be interesting to note that many of the "hydra conflicts" seemed to be between scum hyrdas...

Perhaps this is something to watch for in the future?

[Thesp]

I was also frustrated by particular people in the game (and it's probably no surprise who they are), which may have affected my enjoyment of the game. I'm particularly frustrated by hewitt, whom I feel gave the game to scum by not trying after so much effort had been put into the game by so many people. (Granted, the scum played magnificently, so it's entirely possible we wouldn't have won anyway.)

While I can understand your feelings, I believe that Hewitt (and probably Starkiss as well.) should have been dealt with LONG before endgame.

Instead we lynched far more valuable players.

I do agree with this - but when? The only time I can point to is scene 5(?) when I went hard after curiouskarmadog, which feels a little silly right now. I don't think Gaspar should have been lynched, but if I remember, scum largely controlled that as well. It felt like the town had very little room for error - scum would be able to control or largely influence at least one half of the game, and the other half would be more of a crapshoot.

Thesp, you were my hero in endgame even though I was suspicious you were just playing me for a fool. At least I had someone reciprocating the effort I was trying to put in. I should have listened to you about MO though.

You were my hero there too! I'm not sure listening to me about MO would have done any good, I still more strongly suspected hewitt/StarKiss, and had we lynched MO or StarKiss first, I'm not sure we would have correctly tagged the other. I would be honored to play in any game with you again - I felt like when I would go to post, you had already said half of the things I was going to say anyway.

[Thesp]

Also, I learned that while I might like the people who are in hydras, I hate hydra play.