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Fate wrote:YES I do think Benmage will flip cult Hito.

What about Reaper?

Benmage wrote:

Baby Spice wrote:Ben, I'd be happy if there were only two kills tommorow. After what I saw in the SA2 summary, and with more people in this game, especially with the number not commiting to a N0 action I worried there will be five or six.

Hopefully people are smarter this go around.

Baby Spice wrote: AV, yeah that's clearer I think. Basically we run the risk of the cult screwing with the res in some way or another and stuffing any confirmation, and frankly I

doubt that Ben is "town" in the first place.

Seacore wrote:You chose to gain that insanity when you stalked prior to obtaining any in game knowledge.

In short, that ship has sailed.

So in your view...2 wrongs make a right?

Wickedestjr wrote:...actually. Forget what I said about Benmage robbing the grave. I now feel that Furcolow should do it. He is practically confirmed town and he has offered to do it. I see no reason for him not to rob graves.

Furc is more confirmed than me?

Wraith wrote: 1. Why, exactly, do think it is a good idea for Fate to die?
2. If, in a normal game, someone had claimed Vigilante Day 1 and decided to kill a townie who had done nothing scummy, would you let him do it?

And one to Benmage himself.

1. Can you name three things that Fate has done in this game that make him scum?

1.Look at fates last case. Scummy as hell.
2. If it was a VI, hell yeah.

Special
1. Lied about his actions last night....or chose a ridiculously poor choice that is more likely a scum fakeclaim.
2. Poor reads.
3. Atrocious case on me.

1. Yeah it was a poor choice, but fuck its my first Star's aligned game and I didn't know what would be best, I figured catching people off-guard with insanities would be tech. (until I learned today that the way shit resolves its pointless as fuck all and its literally the dumbest thing to choose. But hey, if I get an insanity I can always make it so I can never use it which is good way to spend an insanity)
2. Which reads are poor, why are they poor, how is this scummy?
3. If its atrocious you could actually REFUTE IT, counter the POINTS in it. But oh wait, it was too long you didn't read it I thought?

DODGE.

MOTHER FUCKING DODGE CARAVAN.

WHY DOES NO ONE ELSE SEE THIS EXCEPT WRAITH.
WRAITH IS MY #1 TOWN BUDDY THIS GAME FOR BEING FUCKING COMPETENT.

Fate wrote:

Plum wrote:

Fate wrote:PLUM! You are still voting Seacore when you promised to not focus on him anymore, you scummy whore!

You have forfeited any claim you had (and make no mistake, you had it) to my sincere friendship.

This better be a joke because

I

was obvoiusly joking/satiring with the women hate.

That said you're still scummy since you just posted yet another case on why "Seacore b scumz yo"

First of all, there are lines I draw even regarding things said in jest. I am not interested in a friendship with anyone who doesn't realize that and why it is not right, welcome, or acceptable to refer to me as a 'whore' in any context. If you do understand what I'm saying and want to discuss this further, drop me a line and we can talk about it - probably outside the game and its context.

Second of all, if there's a concrete reason you can point of (as you've cryptically stated before now) that Seacore is Town, if at all possible I'd prefer you point it out. I don't think, barring anomalies like the Furc situation (and the questionable play of Benmage, depending on other factors - he's semi-confirmed, if that), that this game lends itself to confirmed Townies. Without context I cannot judge the quality of this point against my biggest suspicions.

Fate that was your last shot. You blew it.

Fate that was your last shot. You blew it.

Benmage wrote:Fate I think you're assuming way to much about cult messing with your death.

And you can't have your cake and eat it too. Either you think I am cult, in which all your points about me waiting to kill you is null.

Or you stop this fucking dicking around, and maybe I won't kill you tonight, but will choose a different target to stalk/kill.

But lets hear it. Now.

Which Am I? Cult? Or Investigator? Go. This is your last chance.

To get attention:

What last shot?

Oh you were still thinking your read on me?

Heh.

I thought "you had always thought I was cult" via one of your recent posts.

You STILL have no refuted a SINGLE FUCKING POITN, have dodges ALL QUESTIONS AND SUGGESTIONS MADE TO YOU.

PLUM MADE A SUGGESTION, YOUR RESPONSE?

You have none. You have no logical responses to anything, you think that this gambit will make you "conf-town" but you're talking out of your ass. You will be lynched tomorrow, if not today, when I flip town by cult death.

If you do sucessfully murder me, you will be lynched before long as a murder suspect who refused to show he could "hold off" one night on his one kill, and also a LyLo deadweight with your chosen insanity.

My life is not in YOUR hands, it is in cult's. And the way you act like it is sure I will die tonight means YOU ARE CULT that CAN MAKE SURE die tonight.

You refuse to acknowledge that there is no way I would let myself die to the likes of you with 6 cult buddies.

That's because you have no answer you are cult, and I don't need to convince you of that.

Just everyone else.

Uh huh, and a would-be Murderer would announce that in thread, ensuring that we monitor his actions closely, for what reason exactly?

I'm still looking to lynch Cult, okay? I doubt even that Murderer is vaguely viable for Benmage now.

Dangit, that was meant to be @Wraith but I forgot to edit after seeing the new posts on preview.

Plum wrote:Uh huh, and a would-be Murderer would announce that in thread, ensuring that we monitor his actions closely, for what reason exactly?

I'm still looking to lynch Cult, okay? I doubt even that Murderer is vaguely viable for Benmage now.

This is why. You are letting him get away with murder, and calling him town for it. That is why it is a viable path for him to go.

hitogoroshi wrote:

Fate wrote:YES I do think Benmage will flip cult Hito.

What about Reaper?

My stances on Reaper have been made clear. In contrast to Benmage I think that Ben's motivations are far more cult-like than Reaper's. I was just producing a wagon counter to Reaper's for all those unhappy with that wagon.

If Reapers is still to go through because of momentum that is fine, like I said all I wanted is my case to be heard so that people can take a stance on it.

Benmage is a detriment to town at best, he is very likely cult at worse, and I have shown why.

Yeah but as time wears on we can keep tabs on him via Oocult Books and other means to ensure he doesn't go above one Stalk/one Murder without us knowing and being able to respond, you see?

Oh yeah, let's waste valuable space, time, and items so we can specifically monitor one single player to ensure he does not turn on us. The player in question is shown to have used horribad arguments and puts pursuing personal vendettas as a higher priority than winning with the town.

Let me use a metaphor:

When you get cut, you don't let it get infected a little and then use a crapload of anti-biotics to control that infection. You put a fucking band-aid on it.

Look, Benmage is going to do whatever he's going to do,

But town have to play a long term game, and has Tom has pointed out, we're better off in the long run if we kill somebody other than Benmage, in my opinion: Reaper.

Somebody will almost certainly use a rez kit on Fate. All it takes is one rez kit to cancel out Benmage's idiocy.

Then cult are in the difficult position of trying to out guess town. Did more than one person use a rez kit? Did three? Should they gamble on two or less people using it and kill ritual fate for the effect it'll have on the game? or do they just kill somebody else, in which case Fate is still alive.

Wraith wrote:

Benmage wrote:Fate I think you're assuming way to much about cult messing with your death.

And you can't have your cake and eat it too. Either you think I am cult, in which all your points about me waiting to kill you is null.

Or you stop this fucking dicking around, and maybe I won't kill you tonight, but will choose a different target to stalk/kill.

But lets hear it. Now.

Which Am I? Cult? Or Investigator? Go. This is your last chance.

To get attention:

THE BOLDED PART IS IMPORTANT. AS YOU CAN SEE, BENMAGE HAS NO INTENTION OF PLAYING FOR THE TOWN, AND INTENDS TO MURDER PEOPLE. HAPPY?

Negative I just think that there would be too many nasayers that I'd have to prove myself town.

Fate wrote:My life is not in YOUR hands, it is in cult's. And the way you act like it is sure I will die tonight means YOU ARE CULT that CAN MAKE SURE

I

die tonight.

You refuse to acknowledge that there is no way I would let myself die to the likes of you with 6 cult buddies.

That's because you have no answer you are cult, and I don't need to convince you of that.

Just everyone else.

This is false, and horrible logc. If I was cult, why would I have cult kill you which would incriminate me..DUR de dur. Your logic is horrible. Cult will kill whomever they want. I'm sure your fellow cult will rez kit you.

GL convincing people I am cult.

Seacore wrote:Look, Benmage is going to do whatever he's going to do,

But town have to play a long term game, and has Tom has pointed out, we're better off in the long run if we kill somebody other than Benmage, in my opinion: Reaper.

Somebody will almost certainly use a rez kit on Fate. All it takes is one rez kit to cancel out Benmage's idiocy.

Then cult are in the difficult position of trying to out guess town. Did more than one person use a rez kit? Did three? Should they gamble on two or less people using it and kill ritual fate for the effect it'll have on the game? or do they just kill somebody else, in which case Fate is still alive.

Cult won't even go near fate, and I'd eat a lot of hats if I'm wrong about that.

Do you think I am cult?

You're not playing to win Benmage if town. You're not reading thread, considering other options, weighing in on points.

The fact that you even have the gall to call my playstyle less PTW than you is just fucking hilarious.

You have STILL not responded to these points:
-Why am I so vulnerable to your cult kill and have to go these lengths to get you to stop if I have cult buddies?
-Why can't you wait until N2 to murder someone who you have not announced in thread so that the night action can not be messed with by cult-ritual kills and town rez kits?
(Preview Edit: If my cult buddies will rez kit me, why did they not WARD me N0 when you promised to stalk me in the sign-up thread?)

-Answer the questions in my previous posts.

The fact that you refuse to do so just showcases your scumminess/terrible townplay.

Like I said at the start of all this, I will be vindicated once the flips happen as being better than you. And in the end, that's all that really matters.

Seacore wrote:Look, Benmage is going to do whatever he's going to do,

But town have to play a long term game, and has Tom has pointed out, we're better off in the long run if we kill somebody other than Benmage, in my opinion: Reaper.

Somebody will almost certainly use a rez kit on Fate. All it takes is one rez kit to cancel out Benmage's idiocy.

Then cult are in the difficult position of trying to out guess town. Did more than one person use a rez kit? Did three? Should they gamble on two or less people using it and kill ritual fate for the effect it'll have on the game? or do they just kill somebody else, in which case Fate is still alive.

Now I see why people think you're scum. First of all, there is no guarantee one of the few people with a rez kit are going to bother rezzing Fate. In fact, based on the cult's actions during SAII, I'm willing to bet that most of the cult has a Rez Kit. And no, we're not better off in the long run. Let me put it in math:

If we don't lynch Benmage, two people are definitely going to be killed tonight (whether they live or not is up to rezzers). Benmage will kill Fate, and the cult will kill a townie. That's two dead on night one MINIMUM, not including townies who lied and are going murderer.

Now, if we lynch Benmage, one person minimum dies tonight. For people who can't (or won't) read: 2-1=1. 1 is less than 2.

In short, the cult, however many they have, can only kill ONE townie a night. If we leave a murderer (Benmage) alive, then we lose TWO people tonight. To reiterate, ONE IS LESS THAN TWO.

THis town is TRYING to drive me insane, I swear.

@Benmage: The cult killing Benmage would not condemn you, in fact, as I've said, the town would "confirm" you if Fate dies. Funny how this is becoming circular logic. And no, I've said I don't think you're cult. I think you're anti-town and planning to murder a townie, and probably more townies in the future.

Fate wrote:(Preview Edit: If my cult buddies will rez kit me, why did they not WARD me N0 when you promised to stalk me in the sign-up thread?)

This is the most valid reason I've seen for Fate not being Cult.

xvart.

xvart wrote:

Fate wrote:(Preview Edit: If my cult buddies will rez kit me, why did they not WARD me N0 when you promised to stalk me in the sign-up thread?)

This is the most valid reason I've seen for Fate not being Cult.

xvart.

Then vote Benmage, dammit. If you think Fate is town then DON'T LET HIM GET MURDERED.

Nice snipe on the side without an ACUTAL post containing your stance on the ACTUAL issue at hand xvart.

You've just said I'm probably not cult, yet you're vote isn't on Benmage who as EITHER alignment (Cult/Murderer) is planning to kill me tonight.

Who is more of an asset to town?
If we don't lynch Ben tonight and I'm rezzed, etc. etc. and we enter D2 with BOTH Ben and myself alive and unconfirmed, WILL THIS ISSUE EVER RESOLVE ITSELF?

No it won't.

Ben is a liability. Ben is scummy. Ben is a good D1 lynch.

This is no different from all the other 100s of D1 lynches on town that are playing horribly simply because they are a liability/and also scummy. WHY SHOULD THIS ONE BE DIFFERENT?

PRE-EDIT: GIVE THIS MAN A GODDAMN BADGE

@Furpants:
I disagree completely. A LOT will be told with a Benmage flip.

What do you think cult motivations were surrounding this issue if Ben is town and wanted them to kill TownFate?
What do you think cult motivations were surrounding this issue if Ben is cult and wanted Ben to "give up" his killing plan?

Scumhunting can ALWAYS be done. This is NOT a policy lynch, not anywhere near that.