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In post 1562, zMuffinMan wrote:someone unvote skullduggery so he doesn't get lynched before mastin is able to post

This was very clearly sarcasm, all he's missing is the [/sarcasm] tagset.

everything i say is 100% serious



i want to read mastin's wall

In post 1574, Faster Than Light wrote:

In post 1572, thezmon221 wrote:

In post 1520, Venmar wrote:Thezmons #1430 is probably a nice example of why we should not be lynching Rachmaria

Hey. You're probably one of those players who resists just for pride reasons, aren't you? 1490sums up the whole argument if you're gonna be like Mala and said, "buh buh but you're voting her cuz she's useless." Fact of the matter is, it's far, far deeper than that, and the uselessness is centered on total scum motivation. Go ahead and read some more after 1490 of Aj's posts on association and such, and then read a few of Muffin. All signs point to Rach scum.

I'll get to this in my ISO.
MS and I have different opinions on Rach and we're reading the Rach wagon in a way that should be looked at.
Nice of you to notice that disparity, though.

-V

I haven't noticed much that you've done, to be honest, so I don't really know what you're talking about.

In post 1576, zMuffinMan wrote:everything i say is 100% serious



i want to read mastin's wall

Alol

In post 1467, Ghostlin wrote:

In post 1402, Desperado wrote:

In post 1401, RachMarie wrote:Look again I have Andy as leaning scum

Seriously Des what will you do

if

I flip town? Who will you look at then?

I admitted my reads suck, but it is early. A lot of the pages here really are more noise than signal which means it takes a while to sort out the wheat from the chaff duh.

I rely a lot on Meta especially if I have not played a bunch of games with someone, which is why I was asking for links so I can skim through and see if I can get a better handle on some of the other players.

You have him as leaning scum but then you ask for him to provide meta (that's already been provided)

So were you just not going to read those games or what? I took that to mean your interpretation was still open.

@bolded slipslipslipslip

But seriously if you flip town I'll do the same thing I did every other time I mislynched town--forget about it and keep looking for scum.

Going to tell you something honestly, Desp, and this is only because I want to get this deeply embedded in this site's meta: Scumslips are

bullshit.

At least 90% of the time they end up lynching a target that town doesn't intend because it's like driving a fucking automatic once one is 'found', everyone, including the scum, rides the slip.

I think Rach probably is scum, because she crapped up the thread Day 1 on the first Xenosaga, and she's crapping it up harder now, but this...isn't the reason why, and the fact you used scumslip is part of your reasoning is superfuckingbadhorrible and you should feel superfuckingbad horrible.

[4] mastin2 (Venmar, BROseidon, nickthename, Skullduggery): I just want to note this here for later. It's relevance I promise you will pay dividends to this town.

TF, my biggest problem with you eariler is you let Skull jump on the mastin lynch, and praised them for being probably the laziest scum hunting/trying to look town by asking 'questions' in 2013. God, I want to jump on a Skull lynch right now. Since I'm slightly iffy on Mala right now:

Unvote

Vote: Skullduggery

God, that's like smoking a cigarette.

HEY, NACHO. I GET YOU'RE A BIG DEAL AROUND THIS SITE, BUT YOU CAN ONLY GET AWAY WITH CRAP LIKE ASKING NS WHO'S SCUM SO MANY TIMES WITHOUT BOTHERING TO WORK AND READ THE THREAD BEFORE WE LYNCH YOUR ASS.

AND ANDRIUS, NOT SHOWING UP TO THE IMPORTANT MAFIA DATE OF PLAYING THIS GAME DOES NOT INSTILL CONFIDENCE IN ME ABOUT YOUR TOWN STATUS.

...sadly I would support either of these lynches for the above reasons right the hell now.

Shooting NS is stupid. I think I read something discussing this in this thread. You don't waste bullets on Townies and the vig shot is not the new PL to avoid someone undesirable in LYLO. I've also read we should give credence to everything NS says because he's conf-Town. He's conf-Town, kids, not Jesus, and I think you've got the two confused slightly. In fact, that crap logic is like inception level scummy, and I might have to check who the fuck said that.

...Oh, it's Mala. [/notsurprised]

Desp, you said you had AtE of horrific levels instance in C&H re: Varshoon? Mind linking me to that?

Reading Venmar's ISO gives me a woobbly sort of the feeling, like the kind where something's wrong. It might be the lazy mode, tho'.

It was a joke. Which is why the next line said "but seriously."

Varsoon didn't exhibit crazy AtE in Calvin and Hobbes, but what he did do was commit 100% to a role and stick to it. In the case of that game, he and Zoidberg got into an epic 1v1 that culminated in this post from scum-Varsoon. At the time I thought the effort level was really genuine and towny. I'm getting the same feel from his over the top AtE here.

In post 1511, Venmar wrote:

In post 1397, Desperado wrote:Are you high? What could Rach have possibly done

"recently" to make her "never lynching you" level town?

- Bolded is a misrep, i didn't say she was that strong of a town.
- Reads list is in in line with her town meta, plus i got good feelings from it even if you guys think the reads themselves sucked.

Gonna do these kind of posts as I read up, respond to what i want.

Sorry, I misread something you said to her.

Can you link me to some town Rach? The only one I've seen was when her surgery actually happened so I don't think she or anyone else would treat it as representative.

In post 1467, Ghostlin wrote:

In post 1402, Desperado wrote:

In post 1401, RachMarie wrote:Look again I have Andy as leaning scum

Seriously Des what will you do

if

I flip town? Who will you look at then?

I admitted my reads suck, but it is early. A lot of the pages here really are more noise than signal which means it takes a while to sort out the wheat from the chaff duh.

I rely a lot on Meta especially if I have not played a bunch of games with someone, which is why I was asking for links so I can skim through and see if I can get a better handle on some of the other players.

You have him as leaning scum but then you ask for him to provide meta (that's already been provided)

So were you just not going to read those games or what? I took that to mean your interpretation was still open.

@bolded slipslipslipslip

But seriously if you flip town I'll do the same thing I did every other time I mislynched town--forget about it and keep looking for scum.

Going to tell you something honestly, Desp, and this is only because I want to get this deeply embedded in this site's meta: Scumslips are

bullshit.

At least 90% of the time they end up lynching a target that town doesn't intend because it's like driving a fucking automatic once one is 'found', everyone, including the scum, rides the slip.

I think Rach probably is scum, because she crapped up the thread Day 1 on the first Xenosaga, and she's crapping it up harder now, but this...isn't the reason why, and the fact you used scumslip is part of your reasoning is superfuckingbadhorrible and you should feel superfuckingbad horrible.

[4] mastin2 (Venmar, BROseidon, nickthename, Skullduggery): I just want to note this here for later. It's relevance I promise you will pay dividends to this town.

TF, my biggest problem with you eariler is you let Skull jump on the mastin lynch, and praised them for being probably the laziest scum hunting/trying to look town by asking 'questions' in 2013. God, I want to jump on a Skull lynch right now. Since I'm slightly iffy on Mala right now:

Unvote

Vote: Skullduggery

God, that's like smoking a cigarette.

HEY, NACHO. I GET YOU'RE A BIG DEAL AROUND THIS SITE, BUT YOU CAN ONLY GET AWAY WITH CRAP LIKE ASKING NS WHO'S SCUM SO MANY TIMES WITHOUT BOTHERING TO WORK AND READ THE THREAD BEFORE WE LYNCH YOUR ASS.

AND ANDRIUS, NOT SHOWING UP TO THE IMPORTANT MAFIA DATE OF PLAYING THIS GAME DOES NOT INSTILL CONFIDENCE IN ME ABOUT YOUR TOWN STATUS.

...sadly I would support either of these lynches for the above reasons right the hell now.

Shooting NS is stupid. I think I read something discussing this in this thread. You don't waste bullets on Townies and the vig shot is not the new PL to avoid someone undesirable in LYLO. I've also read we should give credence to everything NS says because he's conf-Town. He's conf-Town, kids, not Jesus, and I think you've got the two confused slightly. In fact, that crap logic is like inception level scummy, and I might have to check who the fuck said that.

...Oh, it's Mala. [/notsurprised]

Desp, you said you had AtE of horrific levels instance in C&H re: Varshoon? Mind linking me to that?

Reading Venmar's ISO gives me a woobbly sort of the feeling, like the kind where something's wrong. It might be the lazy mode, tho'.

It was a joke. Which is why the next line said "but seriously."

Varsoon didn't exhibit crazy AtE in Calvin and Hobbes, but what he did do was commit 100% to a role and stick to it. In the case of that game, he and Zoidberg got into an epic 1v1 that culminated in this post from scum-Varsoon. At the time I thought the effort level was really genuine and towny. I'm getting the same feel from his over the top AtE here.

In post 1511, Venmar wrote:

In post 1397, Desperado wrote:Are you high? What could Rach have possibly done

"recently" to make her "never lynching you" level town?

- Bolded is a misrep, i didn't say she was that strong of a town.
- Reads list is in in line with her town meta, plus i got good feelings from it even if you guys think the reads themselves sucked.

Gonna do these kind of posts as I read up, respond to what i want.

Sorry, I misread something you said to her.

Can you link me to some town Rach? The only one I've seen was when her surgery actually happened so I don't think she or anyone else would treat it as representative.

In post 1573, Trust Fund wrote:I'm not going to even respond to such an improper metaphor, and you should be ashamed you posted that. Do it again and we can talk it out with the listmod instead.

"I'm going to escalate this issue when what you did was posit an innocuous analogy that is, in essence, an assault on my logic and is coupled with other legitimate reasons why my lighthearted defense of MuffinMan relies on several assumptions that aren't wholly town."

Trust Fund, don't worry, I'll get to my case on you in due time.
I agree, what I posted was a bit abrasive (if you have no context), which is why I provided context.
I even apologized.

So, let's be cool and drop it, yeah?

@Desperado: For the record, your 1579 speaks to something I've addressed in my ISO already, so I won't be getting to it here, as I've pretty much pre-empted it in my arguments there.

-V

In post 1580, Desperado wrote:At the time I thought the effort level was really genuine and towny. I'm getting the same feel from his over the top AtE here.

I'm not seeing the comparisons.

In post 1547, Sound of Silence wrote:I'm more interested in what you think about this part of my reply to Ghostlin.

Andy sometimes is not on top of his shit. I'm more interested in waiting for him to come in with another post and people to start voting Skull, though.

In post 1560, mastin2 wrote:Stop lynching Skullduggery. If my theory is correct, Skull is town.

No.

In post 1552, Trust Fund wrote:

In post 1551, Sound of Silence wrote:

In post 1535, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:

In post 1528, zMuffinMan wrote:OK. It doesn't particularly bother me if it never happens, but hopefully you can understand why I'm going to ignore every argument about meta.

Yes I understand that you're willfully ignorant that two of the best meta-based scumhunters on the site are agreeing Andy is playing to his scum meta.

That doesn't make you any less dumb for being so.

This is soooo going to piss off Cabd.

It's okay I'm already over it. But yes, that's THREE meta-based players, not two.

And three meta based players take a terrible tumble.
I think ffery will catch onto Andy-town first because she's the best meta-based player out of this group.
The question lies in who will fetch second place?

In post 1582, Nachomamma8 wrote:

In post 1580, Desperado wrote:At the time I thought the effort level was really genuine and towny. I'm getting the same feel from his over the top AtE here.

I'm not seeing the comparisons.

The commitment to the role. It's not strong, it's just making me paranoid.

In post 1582, Nachomamma8 wrote:

In post 1580, Desperado wrote:At the time I thought the effort level was really genuine and towny. I'm getting the same feel from his over the top AtE here.

I'm not seeing the comparisons.

The commitment to the role. It's not strong, it's just making me paranoid.

I'll be gone all day as I'm flying to Edmonton for a week.
Will have internet access etc but I won't be posting today.

Peace.

Alright. Reveal time.


It's actually a lot for the reasons Venmar himself pointed out: his reads are abysmal, especially his scumread on me. He knows my town game well enough to recognize that this is it, especially with what I've given so far.

But it's more than that. The PGO claim makes him virtually immune to actions, lest a town player risk being killed. I don't think it fits into the setup now that I think about it, and the whole claim reeks of being faked. But beyond that, there's his interactions.

His stubborn insistence that I am scum goes beyond reason. This is particularly true with scum lacking daychat (a fact I am rather certain of), since his scumbuddies aren't capable of saying, "Venmar, STOP! YOU'RE GOING TO AWAKEN THE BEAST! MASTIN IS TOO DAMN GOOD A PLAYER TO TRY AND MISLYNCH!"

The only way they can do so is via the thread. (You'll be seeing a bit of that later.) He's defending Rach, he's calling Nacho town, he chainsaw defended Andrius (via calling Mac scum) while simultaneously leaving open the option of a double-bus (1521), his read on nick has been weak-distancing, and has Malakittens as town.

All for bad or nonexistent reasoning.

Now if you couldn't tell...


Him being a scumread is the entire reason I wanted to wait, because if I was wrong, I'd look like an idiot. However, the thought of him being a scumread came as early as my post where I did the nick-iso. (That bit at the end of my nick-iso post where I said READ REDACTED? That was a Nacho-scumread, off of nick's interactions with him.)

But, dang it, Nacho's posting here is dangerously-reminiscent of his posting during Buzzword Bingo. He didn't get into the initial pile of town, and has been fighting to recover from this setback in an eerily-similar manner. His posting's fairly light, both in amounts, and in actual content; he's NOT ACTUALLY PUSHING ANY OF HIS READS like I'd expect a town-Nacho to be doing.

But if that wasn't enough, there's his bad interactions.

Nacho wrote:venny baby are you scum?

Distancing, not pushing it, and potentially signally Venmar that he's being an idiot. Yes, he places a vote, but that singular line is not a push. It's an explanation, not a reasoning.

That's all you have for me...?
---
I'm willing to listen to your reads pretty strongly but you're ignoring me and not even trying to sell me on shit. Why is that?

These are examples of why a town-Nacho should be KEEPING his vote on Venmar. Instead, he changes to BROseidon, who he has no read on.

832 seems like a post entirely composed of messages to scumbuddies. (With the possible exception of BRO, and obviously Desp who is town.)

His Andrius townread seems bad, as is his townread on Malakittens, when her posting hasn't been solid at all.

1485 also looks scum-motivated, as does this:

hey venmar are you gonna vote skull or...?

...Where Nacho tries to get Venmar off of me, Nacho being smart enough to realize wagoning me will backfire spectacularly.


This was the scenario I was talking about. RachMarie can only be scum if Nacho is scum, because Rach's defense of Nacho and overall interactions with his slot tie her alignment to his. However, that said,


A RachMarie scumflip confirms Nacho as scum, but a RachMarie townflip doesn't confirm Nacho as town. In contrast, a Nacho townflip confirms RachMarie as town, and a Nacho scumflip confirms RachMarie as scum.


Yes, I'm reasonably certain this is Nacho's scumgame, but I couldn't live with myself if it ended up that I was wrong, and I mislynched a town-Nacho-who-wasn't-in-his-element-yet on D1.


He has ties to Nacho. He has ties to nick. He has ties to Malakittens. He has the same tie to Venmar that Nacho does.

Andrius wrote:Venmar who's the scum?

Even the same question. He has ties to Rach.


His immediate treatment of the Venmar claim, along with how he jumps off at the first chance possible. His treatment of nhammen (Malakittens) reinforces this.

nick wrote:Specifically, what are your feelings on Rach and Mastin?

Distancing on Rach.

Hey, so nacho, I don't know if you've ever played in a game this big before, but with this many players you're not going to be able to get much out of voting someone without explaining it, even if a few people are already voting that person, because you just need so many votes to lynch. You need to explain your votes to try and get a bunch of other people to vote with you.

Also, in this game you can switch your vote without unvoting, but if varies from mod to mod so it's a good idea to check the rules first.

Nacho interaction.

Could you elaborate on your nhammen read? Nhammen feels pretty null to me.

More defense of Malakittens's slot.

But it's worst here:

Rach- She's right up there with zMuffin as far as time since we last heard from her, and her play before didn't really give me much of an opinion on her.
Nacho- Not contributing much, but nacho never contributes much. Until something serious that he is forced to react to, I doubt I'll get much of a read here.
Andrius- His scumread on me feels forced, but his read of the game feels towny. Dunno, really.
Venmar- Who knows? Not me.

Rach at null, Nacho at Null and hinting at knowing Nacho better than his previous quote said, Andrius at null, and Venmar as well. Without any commentary at all to go along with it.

MalaK wrote:I disagree with a majority of his posts especially on account to Venmar's role.

(TD had Venmar as scum.)

I want Rach to explain #66 in regards to MS claiming early in another game, tyvm.

(Interaction with Rach.)

I have seen town-Nacho lurk and I have seen him be lynched for it in a hydra. It's a null tell at best.

Defense of Nacho, and buddying to Rach.

Really Nick? Do you not like that Mollie and Fery are trying to communicate reads together. Does this make scum you not able to force fake scum reads and push their wagons?

Distancing to nick. (Which also doesn't mesh with her scumread on me.)


They could be right, but that'd require six scum, when I think there's only five. Which is wrong, however, I can't tell, yet. (That's another reason I considered waiting.)


Not the entirety of my cases against each player. There's plenty of individual not-tied-to-interactions reasons these players are my scumreads.


He shares many of the same traits the above players have in their interactions between one another, even though I don't currently think he is a good fit.


I see him as being set up as the scum mislynch for day one, especially if both Rach and Andrius are scum. They're not going to get a mislynch on me, after all, and thus, Skull presents the best opportunity to achieve a mislynch today. (FTL is another similar candidate.)


Expanding on the above, fleshing out my cases, examining these players in detail, and figuring out for sure if I'm right or wrong on these.


Pretty much unchanged from my last post, actually.


notscience
Aj The Epic
BeautyAndTheBeast
Ghostlin
Sound of Silence
Trust Fund
Faster Than Light
zMuffinMan
Mac
Desperado
TiphaineDeath

thezmon221
Skullduggery


nickthename
Malakittens
Andrius
Venmar
Nachomamma8
RachMarie


BROseidon.

so essentially your scum candidates are all scum because they make sense as scum together?

In post 1587, mastin2 wrote:Nachomamma8 is scum.

:'(
i thought you of all people would see the true me

Really Mastin?

I didn't like TD's way of saying how he would have played Venmar's role. It looked highly scummy because if there was a CC he was fucked and it would give scum a free mislynch and a free PR.

I guess asking a question in regards to Rach makes me scum? I really wanted that answered, but instead she didn't and I went about it myself.

Okay? So everyone else can say "Nacho meta is this/that", but when I say it I'm defending Nacho? I have seen Nacho as both alignments and he does lurk as both alignments so to me it IS a null tell. I'm not buddying Rach?

That last part was me joking. Well not about Fery/Mollie, but he seems to be uncomfortable with it. If he lands on the wrong side of it - he might be found out. That's how he came across to me.

In post 1588, zMuffinMan wrote:so essentially your scum candidates are all scum because they make sense as scum together?

Very similar to what AJ is doing, but with more words.

[8] TiphaineDeath (

Venmar

, zMuffinMan,

nickthename

, BeautyAndTheBeast, Mac, Ghostlin, Faster Than Light, Trust Fund)

I find it particularly telling that this TD wagon got this much on it. However, I think that the wagon was most scummy near its beginning. Later-on, TD gave enough ammo for the town to be legitimately suspicious of him, but earlier-on, his play didn't validate this level of attention.

[5] Faster Than Light (thezmon221,

Malakittens

, Skullduggery, TiphaineDeath,

nickthename

)
[4] RachMarie (zMuffinMan,

Andrius

, Desperado, Faster Than Light)
[3] mastin2 (

Venmar

, Trust Fund, BROseidon)
[3] nickthename (Aj The Epic, mastin2, notscience)

Nick's once more on the dominant wagon, and Malakittens is here as well. The Rach wagon has begun to form, as has the wagon on me and nick. Of note is that the nick wagon has three players, two of them conftown and the third basically the same. Yet it never got much traction.

[5] mastin2 (

Venmar

, Trust Fund, BROseidon,

nickthename

, TiphaineDeath)
[5] RachMarie (zMuffinMan,

Andrius

, Desperado, Faster Than Light,

Nachomamma8

)
[4] nickthename (mastin2, notscience, BeautyAndTheBeast, thezmon221)

Nick once again joins the dominant wagon, this time on me. The Rach wagon also forms, but the nick wagon (despite having two additional names, one an ultimate-townread and the other still a townread) continues not to grow.

[5] Andrius (BeautyAndTheBeast, Sound of Silence, notscience, Trust Fund,

Malakittens

)
[5] RachMarie (zMuffinMan,

Andrius

, Desperado, Faster Than Light,

Nachomamma8

)

I believe we have duelling scum wagons at this point. Look at the names on Andrius; we've got one super-mega-townread (B&B), one awesome-townread (SoS), one conftown, and one player who is almost-certainly town despite the controversy. (Trust Fund.) If you want a sexy wagon, Andrius is it. Malakittens joins during a time where it appears Andrius is basically confirmed-scum via meta, and thus, at the perfect time for a bus.

[6] Andrius (BeautyAndTheBeast, Sound of Silence, notscience, Trust Fund,

Malakittens, RachMarie

)
[6] RachMarie (zMuffinMan,

Andrius

, Desperado, Faster Than Light, thezmon221, TiphaineDeath)

Of critical importance, Nacho has abandoned the Rach wagon (which he was late to be on). Rach, similar to Malakittens, joins the Andrius wagon at the ideal time to bus.

[7] Andrius (BeautyAndTheBeast, Sound of Silence, notscience, Trust Fund,

Malakittens, RachMarie

, Mac)
[7] RachMarie (zMuffinMan,

Andrius

, Desperado, Faster Than Light, thezmon221, TiphaineDeath, Aj The Epic)

Bringing us to here. I realize the Rach wagon is sexy with all the town players there, and that the Andrius wagon is slightly-less-so with both Rach and MalaK present, but I maintain my position that Rach's not the best lynch.


Andrius, nickthename, or Malakittens, currently, but with a STRONG lean towards nickthename.
-I don't know Andrius that well.
-If I'm wrong on Malakittens, she's a valuable town player.
-nickthename has plenty of interactions, and thus, gives a ton of information. This makes him a better lynch than Rach, who has not very many interactions at all.
-But critically, nick is a player whose input I don't really value if I were to be wrong. If I'm wrong on Nacho/Malakittens/Andrius/Venmar/andsoon, then we lost a strong town player. If I'm wrong on nick, we lose...a player who's quite frankly not giving much pro-town content at all.

Thus, nick gives us info (high reward) while also not having much risk. Rach gives us not much info (low reward) even if the risk is also low. Andrius gives us info (medium reward) but has a higher risk (medium), and similarly escalated for Nacho/Malakittens/Venmar, who're all high risk/reward.

Nick's lynch therefore gives us the most while having the least lost from it if I'm wrong.

In post 1588, zMuffinMan wrote:so essentially your scum candidates are all scum because they make sense as scum together?

Nobutyes.

No, that's not the entirety of the reason why they're scum. I have more on each of them, except RachMarie. (RM is scum entirely based off of interactions; I see nothing wrong in her posting otherwise.) But yes, they're all scum partially (or mainly) because they fit together as a scumteam. But critically, not a "picture-perfect" scumteam (picture-perfect = 100% wrong ), nor a violation of occam's razor in its complexity. They fit together as a scumteam in a realistic way.

So-much-reading.

nacho can you point to somewhere, anywhere, where andy did this much posturing and chest thumping and called for a broforce? or when he banged on incessantly about being in a "rage"? tia

In post 1583, Nachomamma8 wrote:

In post 1547, Sound of Silence wrote:I'm more interested in what you think about this part of my reply to Ghostlin.

Andy sometimes is not on top of his shit. I'm more interested in waiting for him to come in with another post and people to start voting Skull, though.

Sorry for the confusion. That was about BRO.

In post 1552, Trust Fund wrote:

In post 1551, Sound of Silence wrote:

In post 1535, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:

In post 1528, zMuffinMan wrote:OK. It doesn't particularly bother me if it never happens, but hopefully you can understand why I'm going to ignore every argument about meta.

Yes I understand that you're willfully ignorant that two of the best meta-based scumhunters on the site are agreeing Andy is playing to his scum meta.

That doesn't make you any less dumb for being so.

This is soooo going to piss off Cabd.

It's okay I'm already over it. But yes, that's THREE meta-based players, not two.

And three meta based players take a terrible tumble.
I think ffery will catch onto Andy-town first because she's the best meta-based player out of this group.
The question lies in who will fetch second place?

you can only go so far with meta. It's added backdrop and context about what's actually being posted in the game thread. Situations from game to game are seldom perfectly analogous.

I don't think any of the meta-based players in this game - including you - let meta considerations cloud the view of the actual game state.

Mastin, who do you suggest we lynch first, then? Mala, since she has the strongest associative tells?

(I also was thinking of some of the nacho-relations that didn't make me feel too good about the slot, but I was thinking I was jumping at shadows to have him tied to Rach. I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw it).

Out of your reads, I think Andrius is wrong. It's Rach's counterwagon and Rach IS the connection to which everyone else (other than Nick, I really haven't found a place for him yet) fits. I really think today's lynch is rach or mala, then the other the next day.

P-edit: Mala, you tie to Rach, not nacho. If Nacho flipped scum, Rach still has to flip to incriminate you. And vice versa.

Mastin, walk me through Nick's connections and THEN we can talk about taking him first. Rach is my candidate right now, because if you're also seeing Nacho, she sticks at the center of this web.


...............Andrius
..................|
Mala-Rach-Nacho
...|.......|
...|---Venmar

And then Nick's all by himself. That's why I don't get why go to nick first. Sure the wagons help a bit, but I think that's a little more random than actual textual interaction.

In post 1597, Aj The Epic wrote:Mastin, who do you suggest we lynch first, then? Mala, since she has the strongest associative tells?

I already told you.

Nick.

-He has the lowest risk in lynching if I'm wrong about him being scum.
-He has the highest reward in lynching him because regardless of right or wrong his flip gives us a TON of info.

Compared to Malakittens, who
-Has a high risk in lynching, because she's a strong player and if I'm wrong about her is lost to us forever.
-Has that same high reward in lynching regardless of town/scum, but again, has the risk above.

In post 1592, mastin2 wrote:Thus, nick gives us info (high reward) while also not having much risk. Rach gives us not much info (low reward) even if the risk is also low. Andrius gives us info (medium reward) but has a higher risk (medium), and similarly escalated for Nacho/Malakittens/Venmar, who're all high risk/reward.

That is where I believe you are wrong. Rach is an extremely low risk (look at her activity and the posts), with a much underestimated high reward. Aj and I have talked a lot about it, Aj moreso about the association tells. She gives a ton of information, even if not necessarily from her mouth. Also, Cabd has the meta that can help lower the lynchpool tomorrow to what are her town reads, as she's bound to have at least 1, and probably closer to 2-3, scum in there. I believe nick, Venmar, and Nacho are all in there. Mala is an ambiguous read of hers. Andy is leaning scum.

Furthermore, your nick read seems weak comparatively. Outside of VCA (which isn't as accurate until you get flips), there isn't too much in the form of your association principle.

@Aj: We aren't lynching Mala today. kkthxbai