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↑ Dapper Stranger wrote:

↑ itlepip wrote:oops I forgot that post. TSO I would argue that EE really isn't aligned with Kling here. Again we are looking at 2 factions here, and given that gamestate bussing doesn't make any sense, especially for someone relatively new to the game. If they wanted to bus they would have done so earlier, not suddenly have 1 of them switch after my post. EE being new (please don't take offense here, I really like some of your recent play) means that of all the scum he has the easiest argument for noob stuck on townreading a scum and not being able to change his mentality. I really think his switch was a choice made my him and representative of his reads, which makes him town.

2 factions? Multiball slip!

Yep.

No.

2 factions is town and scum. If you're going to argue slip, Say single ball.

Still wrong. Single ball is pretty evident from no KC lynch but hey town's not lynching scum BC of lurkers and dumbasses.

smh

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Let's look at 947, the Kling reads list.
I shrug my shoulders on the lurker scumreads.
I don't see scum motivation with the description you place on itlepip, klingon. Care to explain?
Agreed with your Eagle read. If eagle is scum let's give him a "Best Bullshitter in the Universe" award for sure
Overall, it seems you're pulling scumreads out of nowhere. I don't like your itlepip reads and it looks like your lurker scumreads are designed to inflate your scumreads list to make it look like you're scumhunting.

948 and aneninen criticized me for being vague. Damn son

↑ Aneninen wrote:Even if the whole game is about shouting at each other, waging flame wars against each other, making others upset and getting upset because of others, at moments like this I hope you can feel that you're amongst friends after all.

Agreed wholeheartedly. I send my best wishes, hiplop.

OH damn, a spifflop wagon happening on page 39. That's a twist.

↑ Dapper Stranger wrote:Spitflop's ISO, if one is investigating, is full of these kinds of posts where that one is assigning reads with no substance. This is sounding to a man as having come from an informed perspective.

I've definitely seen reads with no substance coming from town with equal frequency.
Confident players =/= scum players, even though scum are informed.

974 was a pretty good post. There was some good arguments but I disagree with the conclusion. I don't think giving null-leaning reads points to scum. But I think itlepip is pretty towny at this point.
987 also reads decently to me. Good work, soldier.
I also see consistent logic and train of thought coming from here

↑ Dapper Stranger wrote:The other posts are naught but Klingon under pressure. She is pretty much sucking D1 as town and coming on strong late game. Which is why that one is a slam dunk for scum.

Question. Is kling's scumplay D1 any better? because from the comments I've seen regarding Kling's meta say otherwise. So Kling's behavior is at best non-indicative. Am I wrong?

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↑ Passionate Storm wrote:Did you literally doubtcast me based on my job?

dying

Kling what's your read on dapper

↑ Spider Gwen wrote:

↑ itlepip wrote:

↑ Spider Gwen wrote:

↑ Aunt Jemina wrote:grapes (5): Spider Gwen, Spifflop, Errantparabola, itlepip, Passionate Storm
This is not a wagon on a sour player.

There's actually only 2 names there that I hate.

just say who they are...

Errant and Stormy

You have not pushed me for this entire game. Care to start?
No seriously WTF? You don't interact with me this whole game and now you're coming out of the gate hating me?

↑ Klingoncelt wrote:In your case, the sheeping is just one of your tells. The far worse tell is your condescending attitude towards Town, basically telling us to work for you instead of you offering to work with us. Titus is doing the same thing, btw.

Question. Kling, is this a meta read or a general read

↑ Passionate Storm wrote:No.

2 factions is town and scum. If you're going to argue slip, Say single ball.

Still wrong. Single ball is pretty evident from no KC lynch but hey town's not lynching scum BC of lurkers and dumbasses.

Says one scum

[quote="In post 1578, Errantparabola"]PAGES 38 to 41

Let's look at 947, the Kling reads list.
I shrug my shoulders on the lurker scumreads.
I don't see scum motivation with the description you place on itlepip, klingon. Care to explain?
Agreed with your Eagle read. If eagle is scum let's give him a "Best Bullshitter in the Universe" award for sure
Overall, it seems you're pulling scumreads out of nowhere. I don't like your itlepip reads and it looks like your lurker scumreads are designed to inflate your scumreads list to make it look like you're scumhunting.

Re: Itlepip, I don't see the Town motivation for what he's doing.
(Did you not see his multiball claim in post 1520? How would he know that?)
You should love my Itlepip read.

I'm getting my reads, Scum as well as Town, from reading the thread and going through ISOs.

As for the lurkers, when I go through the trouble of making a reads list, I'm going to put everyone on it. That way we don't have the inevitable "Where's so-and-so?" questions. And Scum often lurk.
Is it a problem for you if I point out lurking Scum? Hmm...

↑ Errantparabola wrote:PAGES 38 to 41

Let's look at 947, the Kling reads list.
I shrug my shoulders on the lurker scumreads.
I don't see scum motivation with the description you place on itlepip, klingon. Care to explain?
Agreed with your Eagle read. If eagle is scum let's give him a "Best Bullshitter in the Universe" award for sure
Overall, it seems you're pulling scumreads out of nowhere. I don't like your itlepip reads and it looks like your lurker scumreads are designed to inflate your scumreads list to make it look like you're scumhunting.

948 and aneninen criticized me for being vague. Damn son

↑ Aneninen wrote:Even if the whole game is about shouting at each other, waging flame wars against each other, making others upset and getting upset because of others, at moments like this I hope you can feel that you're amongst friends after all.

Agreed wholeheartedly. I send my best wishes, hiplop.

OH damn, a spifflop wagon happening on page 39. That's a twist.

↑ Dapper Stranger wrote:Spitflop's ISO, if one is investigating, is full of these kinds of posts where that one is assigning reads with no substance. This is sounding to a man as having come from an informed perspective.

I've definitely seen reads with no substance coming from town with equal frequency.
Confident players =/= scum players, even though scum are informed.

974 was a pretty good post. There was some good arguments but I disagree with the conclusion. I don't think giving null-leaning reads points to scum. But I think itlepip is pretty towny at this point.
987 also reads decently to me. Good work, soldier.
I also see consistent logic and train of thought coming from here

↑ Dapper Stranger wrote:The other posts are naught but Klingon under pressure. She is pretty much sucking D1 as town and coming on strong late game. Which is why that one is a slam dunk for scum.

Question. Is kling's scumplay D1 any better? because from the comments I've seen regarding Kling's meta say otherwise. So Kling's behavior is at best non-indicative. Am I wrong?

She is either lurking it out or constantly contradicting herself as early game scum in a man's experience.

↑ Errantparabola wrote:

Kling what's your read on dapper

I think he's Town.

↑ Errantparabola wrote:

↑ Klingoncelt wrote:In your case, the sheeping is just one of your tells. The far worse tell is your condescending attitude towards Town, basically telling us to work for you instead of you offering to work with us. Titus is doing the same thing, btw.

Question. Kling, is this a meta read or a general read

Itlepip, general, specific to this game; Titus, half-and-half.

What, I never claimed multiball. I meant two groups of different alignment. I didn't even know that multiball was a possibility this game until I was accused on crumbing it.

Fixing quote tag fail, sorry:

↑ Errantparabola wrote:

Let's look at 947, the Kling reads list.
I shrug my shoulders on the lurker scumreads.
I don't see scum motivation with the description you place on itlepip, klingon. Care to explain?
Agreed with your Eagle read. If eagle is scum let's give him a "Best Bullshitter in the Universe" award for sure
Overall, it seems you're pulling scumreads out of nowhere. I don't like your itlepip reads and it looks like your lurker scumreads are designed to inflate your scumreads list to make it look like you're scumhunting.

Re: Itlepip, I don't see the Town motivation for what he's doing.
(Did you not see his multiball claim in post 1520? How would he know that?)
You should love my Itlepip read.

I'm getting my reads, Scum as well as Town, from reading the thread and going through ISOs.

As for the lurkers, when I go through the trouble of making a reads list, I'm going to put everyone on it. That way we don't have the inevitable "Where's so-and-so?" questions. And Scum often lurk.
Is it a problem for you if I point out lurking Scum? Hmm...[/quote]

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46 is just Spiffeh being towny town
Good stuff

↑ Spifflop wrote:I can't tell if Jaqen is scum with Klingon throwing her a bone or is just stubborn town.

Nah. I stand by my previous statement. If kling is scum, her pards are probably currently bussing her or taking a null stance.
The probability of kling being outed end of D1 and giving association tells is too high for them to take that risk.

↑ Passionate Storm wrote:Passionate storm, Elyse, pip, spiffeh lop, Varsoon, Garmr

Applying TSO AJ , Spider Gwen

Gun to head town TWIE but his lack of content and votes makes me not care if he dies

Need to get invested: Shiro Mohis interest errant, Shiro voting scum is a good sign

Gun to head scum PV

YO I got you, stormy it's INVESTING TIME
IDK about Elyse, Varsoon, and Garmr in the townblock though

I don't know about jaqen being scum honestly
This smells of TvT to me (The dapper v spiff)

p-edit stuff under this line
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KLING
Then I don't buy your itlepip read one bit.
I feel like I didn't need to ask the dapper question because I already knew the answer.

DAPPER
so you're saying that Kling's D1 behavior is NOT non-indicative at best? Because I remember you saying that kling's behavior is non-indicative somewhere in the pages that I'm caught up to.

SECOND P-EDIT

KLING. ARE YOU SERIOUS RIGHT NOW.
The mutliball claim is a section that i'm not caught up to yet.
I'm asking you about your itlepip read as of your reads list post (947)
That's the read I don't buy.

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Nothing much to say about these posts, so I'll treat myself to a haiku break

I am super pumped
Catch up time is best time, yo
Everyone ready?

Hey let's wagon Aunt Jemina, Errant. What do you think?

↑ Errantparabola wrote:PAGES 50 to 53

Nothing much to say about these posts, so I'll treat myself to a haiku break

I am super pumped
Catch up time is best time, yo
Everyone ready?

best post this game, congratulations!

↑ itlepip wrote:What, I never claimed multiball. I meant two groups of different alignment. I didn't even know that multiball was a possibility this game until I was accused on crumbing it.

If I would have said that I'd be flashlynched.

If a lot of the other players would have said that they would be flashlynched.

You should be flashlynched.

VOTE: itlepip

BTW I'll be more active consistently after this catchup
real life has been a real pain these past few days

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Heres hoping for some more noteworthy content

1331 oh boy, another reads list

↑ Extrapolated Eagle wrote:He seems somewhat satisfied with the way things are which makes me think maybe both spittle and kling are town.

Okay so are you implying TSO is scum
And that your reads are wrong?

↑ Extrapolated Eagle wrote:Recent interactions seem less and less motivated to reach a conclusion as a group and more and more like forcing her conclusion on the world, which might be personal style but also might be her knowing thought and doing well figures out she's talking weird

This is called being confident in reads

↑ Extrapolated Eagle wrote:Errant is scummy when he isn't paying attention butbtown when he is. I don't like his bursting and someone of his logic seems off.

Just gonna ignore this because I can't make heads or tails of it (is that the expression?)

let's take a break to analyze the camps in the spiff war
pip, stormy, spiff are in one camp
dapper, kling, random, ee, grapes are in the other
The first one is definitely more towny but I think this whole spifflop ordeal is tvt in general
I wouldn't be surprised if scum was on spiff wagon though

↑ T S O wrote:And I am extremely interested in someone talking to me about Alchemist-scum because I'm hearing it in the background constantly and I'm sure someone in the game has a coherent reason for why they think it's true.

I am highly anticipating results from this question.
Alchemist has completely flown under the radar for me.

↑ Passionate Storm wrote:I am at Alchemist could be scum. I am not majorly confident of him being scum. Dapper Klingon random need to die first.

Storm please explain to me why you think scum would group together in one place instead of being scattered

TSO is proably town yo

p-edit
EE what?
1. AJ? talk to me after I catch up
2. I think you're scumreading me. Why are you trying to join forces with me?

Kling
gimme until I catch up for the whole multiball thought

Itlepip
Followed closely by my other posts, I am sure

And kling, if you're here, respond to me.
Dapper, if you're here, definitely respond to me.

↑ Klingoncelt wrote:
If I would have said that I'd be flashlynched.

If a lot of the other players would have said that they would be flashlynched.

You should be flashlynched.

VOTE: itlepip

No, this is another case of not reading. I was guilty of this here as well. He was talking about something else if you read a couple posts before it. Itlepip is probably town.

And I'm curious: Do you think that just isoing players a valid way of reading them? Do you believe the reads you posted are valid enough to lynch off of?

Pedit:

@Errant: Don't worry about it. I was throwing names at a wall and seeing how they looked on the wall next to each other.

And there's nothing new from aj. I just think she would be an interesting candidate.

↑ Extrapolated Eagle wrote:Hey let's wagon Aunt Jemina, Errant. What do you think?

Where is AJ, btw?

↑ Errantparabola wrote:And kling, if you're here, respond to me.
Dapper, if you're here, definitely respond to me.

Pretty sure I did.

If you don't like my reads, I'm not going to change them.

If you give me an inarguable reason for not liking my reads, then I'll reconsider.

↑ Klingoncelt wrote:

↑ Extrapolated Eagle wrote:Hey let's wagon Aunt Jemina, Errant. What do you think?

Where is AJ, btw?

I don't know. Do you want to lynch her?

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WE
ARE
ALMOST
THERE

GET PUMPED!!!

↑ T S O wrote:Half of the people you're naming here you have literally just picked out of a hat.

Agreed.

Eagle what's your kling read?
I know you were null-town sort of early game but what's up now?
okay never mind you voted kling.
okay never mind you unvoted kling.
despite my townread on you i ahve to agree with garmr. your behavior around kling is weird.

↑ Extrapolated Eagle wrote:I really don't like how absent ep has been since we'be neared a lynch. And he moves WAY up on my suspect list if kling flips scum. Him and AJ both.

hey real life is a thing.
And my absence was not conditional on nearing lynch. I was absent way before then too.
So, yeah. Your push is vetoed

Errantparabola wrote:

↑ T S O wrote:And I am extremely interested in someone talking to me about Alchemist-scum because I'm hearing it in the background constantly and I'm sure someone in the game has a coherent reason for why they think it's true.

I am highly anticipating results from this question.
Alchemist has completely flown under the radar for me.

As of 63 I saw no results from this question. That definitely means something.

yeah the multiball slip is bs i think

↑ Errantparabola wrote:I'm asking you about your itlepip read as of your reads list post (947)
That's the read I don't buy.

So you're saying that because there's no town motivation behind itlepip, that makes him scum? Why not null?
This is still about your pre-multiballslip read.

What's the case on alch?