Magical Girls UPick - Heart of Shadow (Game Over)

[Dannflor]

@Dann

I very frequently use phrasing that assumes the person that I'm talking to is town because if they're not town there's no point in the discussion.

Do you think Bitmap is >rand scum?

I love how pops hops in a side comment as soon as I admit I made a mistake.

I don't know why you see that as a side comment

She's directly asking if Ephraim thinks you're scum

that's like one of the most common questions in the game of mafia

[Bitmap]

This too.

you've deliberately used similar play to what you're employing here as town as scum to achieve a specific result.

Scumslip? :S

[popsofctown]

I'm definitely much lower on chaos wind now.

I still feel like Last Eventide is Occam's razor probscum. Lots of time feels really off, and her pushes feel off. I think you should be more willing to BoP her push for being bad than you should be willing to give it a green light because it didn't protect her slot.

I'm not particularly fond of Titus's towniness right now. Failing to stick to one topic or plug whatever read she thinks is correct and should end the day borrows me compared to her just pushing "end the day". Like.. I guess I'm taking the easy straightforward interpretation here, "end the day" doesn't serve the town wincon.

I'm souring on Bitmap. The paranoia of my slot seemed cute and made sense to me initially, but my play here has diverged a lot from those previous two scum games (not going to insist it hasn't diverged from many of my towngames as well) and so now I'm getting less impressed with it. I prefer people that can articulate reasons I can buy to scumread me.

I lean town on you @Dannflor and have through the game but it hasn't been enough to WK your slot. You're pulling off a townie tone, although you haven't developed any scumcase that would make me townlock you.

[Bitmap]

I'm souring on Bitmap. The paranoia of my slot seemed cute and made sense to me initially, but my play here has diverged a lot from those previous two scum games (not going to insist it hasn't diverged from many of my towngames as well) and so now I'm getting less impressed with it. I prefer people that can articulate reasons I can buy to scumread me.

You did this last time in Starry Night where you were like:

"Bitmappu super townuuu"

*A day later*

"Bitmap has grinded my townread on him to dust."

[Lady Eventide]

@Lady Eventide, I did take the liberty of rereading Bitmap's ISO. I know you wanted a thorough analysis but I don't have the time to do that today. I will say though that my original gut town feelings completely disappeared. What's your read on him? Also I would appreciate it if you answered why you were interested in that read from me specifically

I was interested in that read from you because you'd made a lot of noise about him in both directions, and RCE's theory would place you and them as scum together. As such your opinion on them has a strong chance of actually modifying my opinion of you.

While your wall here is good and towny overall at first glance, I'm still going to hold my vote on you until I get some more analysis. You seem very flip-floppy on Bit's slot and I don't know what's up with that.

Right now I've got a town gutread on Bitmap from my last dive into their ISO, hence my vote passing back to RCE and then back to you. Your current scumread is interesting, but still contains approximately zero actual reasons. Seriously, give me some answers here; your continued inability to produce reasoning on

this particular read

is making my eyebrows rise.

[popsofctown]

Pandora is swatting at the phone screen too much for me to play ranking dungeon.


Mafiascum has a site culture of being awesomeness I like like 9/10 players


I'm curious about the wild mafia universe place but the posts are so spaced out it looks hard to read.

I don't really like a purely positional case on Titus for a day one lynch. I don't get the logic in general actually, if Bitmap is scum isn't she 1/4, which is precisely correct distribution from her PoV?

Okay like...

Do you see where my vote is currently? And why it's not on Titus?

If Bitmap is scum I'm lynching Bitmap.

If Bitmap is town, I'm probably lynching Titus for being scum.

And currently I'm using my vote to apply pressure elsewhere but that's kind of moot now that I've had to explain this principle.

God I hate mafia sometimes. It's like no one bothers to actually read into why you do shit and just blow up your read setups and go "look how townie I am lul"

Christ.

No, I didn't bother to check where you're voting, because you're missing the bar. 1/4 is the percentage where your argument is inverted into a towncase in Titus. 0/4 shooting in 4/16 is nowhere near statistically significant and is a case with the weight of a helium balloon. It's about as strong as knowing the scumteam have two dice with no sixes on any face and scumreading one for not rolling a twelve

[popsofctown]

*missing the point

[popsofctown]

The probability Titus's reads are that bad, IF you've correctly read every single townread she thinks is a scumread, which stands to modify the percentage, is 27%.

The probability you wouldn't be able to find a townie eligible to mislynch by this logic is 2.3%

[Titus]

Isn't just random chance 1/4 anyway.

Pops, join me on Bitmap. When I was voting Lady, I was obviously town. When I swap to Bitmap, shade police come.

[Dannflor]

I was interested in that read from you because you'd made a lot of noise about him in both directions

what

pretty sure I specifically hadn't mentioned Bitmap at all before you asked me because I

didn't

have a read

[popsofctown]

Wasn't LLD just inactive when you were voting Lady E?

And can we please use names that uniquely identify a player.

Please Please Please Please

[Lady Eventide]

Isn't just random chance 1/4 anyway.

Pops, join me on Bitmap. When I was voting Lady, I was obviously town. When I swap to Bitmap, shade police come.

This smacks of lynch chaining and I do not like it one bit. My vote belongs on Dann flor right now, but consider this a FoS.

@Dannflor: WHAT

"pretty sure I specifically hadn't mentioned Bitmap at all before you asked me because I didn't have a read"

Posts #90, #447, #468, #515, #583, #979, #1021, #1029, #1031, #1058, #1061 all mention bitmap before my first mention of them to you in #1110. You had mentioned them a LOT in multiple other posts, and you seem to both scum and town read them in this period. You start by voting them, then shift to a town read, then shift back to "Idk I guess" when I question you on it. It's frankly weird how often you mention them without ever actually engaging with them.

[Lady Eventide]

Wasn't LLD just inactive when you were voting Lady E?

And can we please use names that uniquely identify a player.

Please Please Please Please

Uhhh, can you rephrase this? I'm not following what you're trying to say.

[Lady Eventide]

Isn't just random chance 1/4 anyway.

Pops, join me on Bitmap. When I was voting Lady, I was obviously town. When I swap to Bitmap, shade police come.

This smacks of lynch chaining and I do not like it one bit. My vote belongs on Dann flor right now, but consider this a FoS.

@Dannflor: WHAT

"pretty sure I specifically hadn't mentioned Bitmap at all before you asked me because I didn't have a read"

Posts #90, #447, #468, #515, #583, #979, #1021, #1029, #1031, #1058, #1061 all mention bitmap before my first mention of them to you in #1110. You had mentioned them a LOT in multiple other posts, and you seem to both scum and town read them in this period. You start by voting them, then shift to a town read, then shift back to "Idk I guess" when I question you on it. It's frankly weird how often you mention them without ever actually engaging with them.

That is 11 posts out of 69 (nice) that mention bitmap. That's more than 1/7 of your entire ISO by that point. I think I'm pretty justified in being outright incredulous at "

I'm pretty sure I hadn't mentioned bitmap at all before

".

[popsofctown]

Uh, well two separate statements in there.

The first one is me challenging Titus on her assertion that it is suspicious she is pressured more when she is voting Bitmap as opposed to when she is voting Lady Eventide and without doing hard research I'm saying I think it was more of a function of who happened to be active at the time.


The second statement is I want people to refer to Lady Lambdadelta and Lady Eventide with some type of name that clearly identifies which player is being referred to, "Lady" doesn't get there for me.

Addressed you in third person this post because it's about names and for consistency.

[Titus]

Isn't just random chance 1/4 anyway.

Pops, join me on Bitmap. When I was voting Lady, I was obviously town. When I swap to Bitmap, shade police come.

This smacks of lynch chaining and I do not like it one bit. My vote belongs on Dann flor right now, but consider this a FoS.

@Dannflor: WHAT

"pretty sure I specifically hadn't mentioned Bitmap at all before you asked me because I didn't have a read"

Posts #90, #447, #468, #515, #583, #979, #1021, #1029, #1031, #1058, #1061 all mention bitmap before my first mention of them to you in #1110. You had mentioned them a LOT in multiple other posts, and you seem to both scum and town read them in this period. You start by voting them, then shift to a town read, then shift back to "Idk I guess" when I question you on it. It's frankly weird how often you mention them without ever actually engaging with them.

That should be read as Lady's more likely to be town because I wasn't pushed while voting you but I was for Botmap.

[Lady Eventide]

Isn't just random chance 1/4 anyway.

Pops, join me on Bitmap. When I was voting Lady, I was obviously town. When I swap to Bitmap, shade police come.

This smacks of lynch chaining and I do not like it one bit. My vote belongs on Dann flor right now, but consider this a FoS.

@Dannflor: WHAT

"pretty sure I specifically hadn't mentioned Bitmap at all before you asked me because I didn't have a read"

Posts #90, #447, #468, #515, #583, #979, #1021, #1029, #1031, #1058, #1061 all mention bitmap before my first mention of them to you in #1110. You had mentioned them a LOT in multiple other posts, and you seem to both scum and town read them in this period. You start by voting them, then shift to a town read, then shift back to "Idk I guess" when I question you on it. It's frankly weird how often you mention them without ever actually engaging with them.

That should be read as Lady's more likely to be town because I wasn't pushed while voting you but I was for Botmap.

Okay, that is a lot more reasonable. Consider my FoS withdrawn.

[Lady Eventide]

@Titus: Who do you feel you've been getting the most pressure from? Who should I be looking at as a potential bitmap scumpartner, assuming bitmap scum?

[Titus]

Yeah I find it odd that gameplay and Bitmap have such strong defenses going on. Could I be wrong, absolutely but that's where I want to push.

Also this Day 1 never ends and gets to points where I have more confidence.

[Titus]

@Titus: Who do you feel you've been getting the most pressure from? Who should I be looking at as a potential bitmap scumpartner, assuming bitmap scum?

LLD, Gameplay, minor you and pops right now.

Definitely gameplay would be my next flip.

I'd do VCA for stronger answers.

[Lady Eventide]

@Titus: Who do you feel you've been getting the most pressure from? Who should I be looking at as a potential bitmap scumpartner, assuming bitmap scum?

LLD, Gameplay, minor you and pops right now.

Definitely gameplay would be my next flip.

I'd do VCA for stronger answers.

Does this change at all if you assume Bitmap not scum, Gameplay scum?

[Titus]

@Titus: Who do you feel you've been getting the most pressure from? Who should I be looking at as a potential bitmap scumpartner, assuming bitmap scum?

LLD, Gameplay, minor you and pops right now.

Definitely gameplay would be my next flip.

I'd do VCA for stronger answers.

Does this change at all if you assume Bitmap not scum, Gameplay scum?

If Bitmap's not scum, I'd look at people off wagons in the short term to try and short which major wagon if any was right. I would suspect you/Sailor but I'd be open to scum chasing tails.

Tbh I would want a major wagon flip for VCA but not wedded to it. Major or lurker.

[Lady Eventide]

@Titus: Who do you feel you've been getting the most pressure from? Who should I be looking at as a potential bitmap scumpartner, assuming bitmap scum?

LLD, Gameplay, minor you and pops right now.

Definitely gameplay would be my next flip.

I'd do VCA for stronger answers.

Does this change at all if you assume Bitmap not scum, Gameplay scum?

If Bitmap's not scum, I'd look at people off wagons in the short term to try and short which major wagon if any was right. I would suspect you/Sailor but I'd be open to scum chasing tails.

Tbh I would want a major wagon flip for VCA but not wedded to it. Major or lurker.

What do you think about my case on Dannfor as a potential Bitmap scumpartner? Sorry if you said this and I missed it.

[Dannflor]

Isn't just random chance 1/4 anyway.

Pops, join me on Bitmap. When I was voting Lady, I was obviously town. When I swap to Bitmap, shade police come.

This smacks of lynch chaining and I do not like it one bit. My vote belongs on Dann flor right now, but consider this a FoS.

@Dannflor: WHAT

"pretty sure I specifically hadn't mentioned Bitmap at all before you asked me because I didn't have a read"

Posts #90, #447, #468, #515, #583, #979, #1021, #1029, #1031, #1058, #1061 all mention bitmap before my first mention of them to you in #1110. You had mentioned them a LOT in multiple other posts, and you seem to both scum and town read them in this period. You start by voting them, then shift to a town read, then shift back to "Idk I guess" when I question you on it. It's frankly weird how often you mention them without ever actually engaging with them.

Oh right

I forgot he was one of my first scum leans because of his overreaction to pops

#447 isn't about Bitmap at all, it's about you.

#515 isn't about Bitmap at all, it's about Senshi.

#583 is about Pops and why he changed his vote

#979 is not about Bitmap at all, it's about you

#1021 is just a statement

I could go on

literally only those first two posts were anything of actual substance on Bitmap himself, it's a very weird representation to say that I've been flip flopping on him all game when I 1. put a vote on him very early on in the game for a small thing 2. went with my gut 1000 posts later and said he was town 3. and then changed my mind just now

That's hardly "a lot of noise in both directions" and my mentions of him are clearly to demonstrate a point or ask a question about something else

You are still misinterpreting my posts and saying they are about things they aren't

[Sakura Hana]

Posts #90, #447, #468, #515, #583, #979, #1021, #1029, #1031, #1058, #1061 all mention bitmap before my first mention of them to you in #1110. You had mentioned them a LOT in multiple other posts, and you seem to both scum and town read them in this period. You start by voting them, then shift to a town read, then shift back to "Idk I guess" when I question you on it. It's frankly weird how often you mention them without ever actually engaging with them.

Spoiler:

VOTE: Bitmap

I don't feel like Lady Eventide's posts have been that from town lately. Too mechanical and no scumhunting.

VOTE: Lady Eventide

This is essentially why I voted here as I was skimming the thread earlier.

Basically, the slot had continued making fluff posts while actual content was being produced between Titus and gameplay, then her first "real post" was purely mechanical. She throws down a vote on Titus in #242 that's not attached to anything and seems to be just voting for the sake of putting a vote down on a wagon. The OMGUS vote in #271 shows there wasn't really any strong reasoning attached to the previous vote.

Nothing since then has improved the slot for me. The hop onto Pops is reads very awkward.

Idk what you consider "mentioning bitmap" but this is him talking to bitmap?

Yeah, Gamma's push on Bitmap is bad, but I think it's the town sort of bad.

I guess this is kind of a mention but he's talking about Gamma.

unless I feel like Bitmap or pops is actually worth a push.

What on earth makes this a worthy push

Wasnt this refering to Krazy's push on our slot?

UNVOTE:

why

I like the reasoning against Senshi, yet it's also several slots that might townspew if there's town to spew, which leaves me somewhat torn.

Did your feelings on Bitmap change at all?

Inquiring about your read on bitmap... I guess this is kind of a mention.

I just don't know what makes DDL more deserving over Bitmap, HH, or Chaos Wind who she claimed to also not have a read on / or needed to contribute more

This is related to 4 names someone had mentioned? didnt go check exactly who mentioned what.

Wagons have been attempted on Sailor and Bitmap

This is just information.

I think a partner, or sailor, intentionally used the conflict with Ephraim to divert pressure from your wagon.

You think Sailor is Bitmap's partner?

I'm not really sure how this theory makes sense honestly

Ok this is a mention and somewhat of an stance.

What exactly about that conflict made you think it was manufactured to draw pressure away from Bitmap?

Inquiring.

C.) I've been exploring a hypothetical why the distraction would occur and Dann narrowed it into "RCE thinks Sailor is bits partner." Which is not what I said.

How is this distraction orchestrated if that's not what you believe

Sailor as town purposefully tries to distract from the Bitmap wagon?

I'm not following

Inquiring again.

Playing devil's advocate the case can be made that scum took advantage of you vs Ephraim as the catalyst. Which is what I was getting at when I alluded to the implication on LE's slot.

Oh okay

I'm still not sure how that gets you to Bitmap is scum

Like I don't know what exactly about the conflict is tipping you off that it was either a distraction or utilized as a distraction

Inquiring yet again.

Fact checking, did you just iso and ctrl+f bitmap
-Tana