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In post 1573, Creature wrote:

In post 1569, Formerfish wrote:Pedit- one is for the people, the other is for the people in power. Communism has falied over and over again and people fear monger socialism by calling it communism or suggesting they are the same thing.

I've been taught socialism is state controls economy and communism is that but without the state

Possibly, but it never ends up that way. On paper communism makes sense, but there is no way to bring it off paper. How do you have an equal society where no one makes any rules over anyone else, but you have to do what we say or we will kill you and your families.

In post 1575, Formerfish wrote:

In post 1573, Creature wrote:

In post 1569, Formerfish wrote:Pedit- one is for the people, the other is for the people in power. Communism has falied over and over again and people fear monger socialism by calling it communism or suggesting they are the same thing.

I've been taught socialism is state controls economy and communism is that but without the state

Possibly, but it never ends up that way. On paper communism makes sense, but there is no way to bring it off paper. How do you have an equal society where no one makes any rules over anyone else, but you have to do what we say or we will kill you and your families.

The closest we can have to communism is inside our family only

I'm afraid human beings are too flawed to ever live in that kind of harmony with that many strangers

In post 1576, Creature wrote:

In post 1575, Formerfish wrote:

In post 1573, Creature wrote:

In post 1569, Formerfish wrote:Pedit- one is for the people, the other is for the people in power. Communism has falied over and over again and people fear monger socialism by calling it communism or suggesting they are the same thing.

I've been taught socialism is state controls economy and communism is that but without the state

Possibly, but it never ends up that way. On paper communism makes sense, but there is no way to bring it off paper. How do you have an equal society where no one makes any rules over anyone else, but you have to do what we say or we will kill you and your families.

The closest we can have to communism is inside our family only

I would call it more socialist that communist. I make the money and it gets allocated to what provides my daughter the best upbringing she can because its an investment into the future.

Well, it's collective power without the state

unless you consider yourself the state

I suppose your conception of socialism is the mix of capitalism and socialism?

In post 1580, Creature wrote:unless you consider yourself the state

I make the rules in the space that I inhabit and call my domain. Outside my door my rule is null in void, but inside its absolute.

In post 1581, Creature wrote:I suppose your conception of socialism is the mix of capitalism and socialism?

I'm feeling the Bern, and have a mini chub for Warren.

then it's tax the rich pretty high but not 100% of their income

Fucking same argument for communism every time it comes up its like a broken record "it worked on paper"
No it didnt, even on paper there had to be a leader above all that did fuck all but still controlled everybody, its not like its anarchy with no head of state its the same cocksuckers dining on stolen stuff from the poor

Man, I cringe when people still compliment Stalin

In post 1584, Creature wrote:then it's tax the rich pretty high but not 100% of their income

More like a reallocation of funds to take care of basic living, with a small ability to have a surplus from time to time for recreational programs and support of local pharmaceutical growers.

"No, socialism is not like Stalin"
1 minute later...
"STOP CRITICIZING ABOUT MY BELOVED STALIN"

In post 1583, Formerfish wrote:

In post 1581, Creature wrote:I suppose your conception of socialism is the mix of capitalism and socialism?

I'm feeling the Bern, and have a mini chub for Warren.

What about biden? Hes seemingly the guy thats going head to head against trump and can actually win. Bernie is a wet dream and i dont see him winning most of the time

With the sexual accusations I've seen against Biden, I think he's gonna be another Hillary Clinton.

In post 1588, Creature wrote:"No, socialism is not like Stalin"
1 minute later...
"STOP CRITICIZING ABOUT MY BELOVED STALIN"

"Stalin was hot in his young years "

Doesnt realize the photo was doctored by the state to make him look more appealing

In post 1585, Donempire wrote:Fucking same argument for communism every time it comes up its like a broken record "it worked on paper"
No it didnt, even on paper there had to be a leader above all that did fuck all but still controlled everybody, its not like its anarchy with no head of state its the same cocksuckers dining on stolen stuff from the poor

Wasnt the deal that on paper it didnt have a state mentioned, and that that only came about when people irl realized that there was an opportunity to take advantage of a loop hole that you could drive a tank through?

In post 1590, Creature wrote:With the sexual accusations I've seen against Biden, I think he's gonna be another Hillary Clinton.

Hope not, the impeachment maybe able to overshadow the news over these small fry

Trump already guaranteed Joe Biden as his adversary and will probably double down on the sexual accusations and whatever that Ukraine thing was.

In post 1589, Donempire wrote:

In post 1583, Formerfish wrote:

In post 1581, Creature wrote:I suppose your conception of socialism is the mix of capitalism and socialism?

I'm feeling the Bern, and have a mini chub for Warren.

What about biden? Hes seemingly the guy thats going head to head against trump and can actually win. Bernie is a wet dream and i dont see him winning most of the time

I disagree I think Biden banked on the fact that he is a more centrist when it comes to the rest of the field and that we are really ready for a more left candidate.

I still have a theory that Trump is a deep deep state plant into the republican party to do as much crazy shit as he could get away with so that in 2020 we could make a jump to Bernie or Warren because we have hit rock bottom and see the need for radical change.

I also have a theory that Biden knows he can't win and is being sent out there to take the blows from Trump early and waste his energy there, while the real cadidates, Bernie and Warren make good faith arguments and say what needs to be done because it needs to be done, not because its going to make them and their friends rich off our backs.

In post 1592, Formerfish wrote:

In post 1585, Donempire wrote:Fucking same argument for communism every time it comes up its like a broken record "it worked on paper"
No it didnt, even on paper there had to be a leader above all that did fuck all but still controlled everybody, its not like its anarchy with no head of state its the same cocksuckers dining on stolen stuff from the poor

Wasnt the deal that on paper it didnt have a state mentioned, and that that only came about when people irl realized that there was an opportunity to take advantage of a loop hole that you could drive a tank through?

Lenin was the leader even during its inception, there always was a leader so that wasnt a surprise addition at the last second
However lenin actually gave a fuck about this utopia whereas stalin made a dictatorship, lenin even specifically told the government in place to NOT put stalin in charge
Its not that it doesnt work, but once you have one person without %100 goodwill then it crumbles

I still think Trump could've been fine if he actually distanced himself from explicitly neo-nazi/white supremacist groups.

In post 1596, Formerfish wrote:I also have a theory that Biden knows he can't win and is being sent out there to take the blows from Trump early and waste his energy there, while the real cadidates, Bernie and Warren make good faith arguments and say what needs to be done because it needs to be done, not because its going to make them and their friends rich off our backs.

Thats some tinfoil hat stuff. I think trump is just a moron that got into office trying to market his business and now doesnt want to leave for his own ego.