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Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:03 am**

In post 1574, Alisae wrote:
Spoiler: wtf???????
My Dad:
I still want u to be able to have a normal conversation. Getting sick of doing all the talking and then getting blamed for it

Me:
what do you mean I'm blaming you for doing all of the talking
You know what I'm blaming you for
I'm blaming you for being rude
why would I want to see you when you just blatantly insult me

My Dad:
maybe if u could converse normally we would have better conversations

Me:
who would ever want to meet up for brunch if they are just going to blatantly insult me
well maybe
you can just deal with the fact that I'm not a talkative person
even my grandfather
could deal with that

My Dad:
and no, I don't know what I said that bothered you because you dont talk.

Me:
you don't know what you said that bothered me
because you don't think
about what you say

My Dad:
If you talked too it would give me more time to think
If you aren't participating in the conversation you have no right to complain about it

Me:
oh
if I don't talk
that means I can't complain
when you are rude to me
and when you insult me
because I remember complaining I very clearly

My Dad:
right

Me:
said that I wanted to step out
and leave
and you begged me to stay

My Dad:
whatever

Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:07 am**

Like I'm not in the wrong here right?
Like, I'm entitled to atleast SOME respect, right?

Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:16 am**

In post 1545, Titus wrote:
In post 1544, Ankamius wrote:I am aware, Spiffeh.

I'm attempting to gauge how much room I have.

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Look, if you're town, obvtown. You should know by now that thinking about how you feel comes off worse than falling flat on your face. I didn't directly say so in the beginning but I explicitly said out there reads are a-ok.

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the fundamental thing is that my stated reads list was literally RNGed.

I'm purposely playing obtusely because what I posted earlier as Alisae's draft and play strategy is exactly what I would expect from em in this type of game, one with a lot of stronger town players with just as much paranoia potential. What I would do is plan around trying to maximize the paranoia and proactively shutting down as many avenues of town being able to properly find each other as possible, hence why I expect the general idea is that Alisae separated the playerlist into "Drafted", "Killed", and "Neutralized" lists.

I know that I wasn't picked to be scum, so I obviously wasn't put into that list. The interesting thing is that I can be put into either of the other two lists, since I both know that Alisae has the awareness of my threat level to want to have me killed in a lot of scenarios, and also know that e is aware that I have exploitable weaknesses (via my breakdowns in the YAYVIDEOGAMES hydra) that would push me into the "Neutralize" camp.

my hope was that I would be a general null scumread floating along on day one without giving away too many of my thoughts so that it would be all that more weird in the case I get nightkilled on N1 (since I'd expect that Alisae would already have a good idea of his first 2-3 kills in most scenarios)... which gives town some interesting information considering that I'm not a popular townread. Plus, in the case that I'm on the fence between the kill and neutralize list, or there are other players in the kill list that are higher priority right away, I'd get more content to work with and a nightkill that would help me narrow down what Alisae was thinking with eir draft order and general angle they're playing the game with.

buuuuuuut I was pressured several times into giving reads, so I'd hoped that the reads list I put out looked bad enough to get scrutiny I could analyze as well as stop me from being townread enough to be an obvious nightkill going into night one. I died night one in AvP and I can't be satisfied with my performance in that game, so it would be kinda nice to be able to play the mindgames with the scum treestump that I wasn't able to do in the last one. I wanted to get enough wiggle room to hopefully make an actual impact in the game before my inevitable death and now I'm not sure it's particularly avoidable anymore honestly

if it helps though, I have four slots I'm pretty certaint are town and four slots I'm scumreading. There's one slot I'm a lot more certain on than others, but I'm avoiding outing it at the moment because I haven't entirely ruled out them being a mason yet.

I'm not outing my reads at this point because I still see more value in watching the game unfold as an observer rather than an active participant.

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Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:16 am**

that's a balancing act I wish I could do but it never works sadly

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Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:20 am**

uh, what readlist again?
I forgot sorry

Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:21 am**

I think I’d be able to exploit you pretty well if I were scum drafting against you at this point.

Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:22 am**

Ank, say your definitive scumread and why please. If they are a mason, then I'll protect them. I don't believe any reasonable player has a lead on my masons (no pun intended). If a mason does wind up getting wagoned, I'll cancel the wagon forcefully. So please don't attempt to use mason hunting as an excuse. If a slot is a vigilante, be damn sure you're not shooting a mason but beyond that... leave it to me.

I don't like your excuses not to give reads. I'm not a fan. Your rationale could apply to anyone. I get playing some cards close to the chest, so I only asked for one. If you're right, maybe we'll get a counter going.

Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:24 am**

VOTE: OkaPoka

Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:25 am**

@Ank:

I know you're voting for Boons but can you explain more about why he's scummy? I'll admit I'm mostly using game spec to conclude that Boons is probably town but I thought his catch up was pretty good.

Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:25 am**

A little disingenuous to imply im omgusing you there

Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:26 am**

ali it's hard to say if you're reacting appropriately when we don't know the dad's insult. Need more info tbh

-S

Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:26 am**

Especially since you consciously flipped from having me as town to scum as a result of me shading you

Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:27 am**

In post 1581, Titus wrote:Ank, say your definitive scumread and why please. If they are a mason, then I'll protect them. I don't believe any reasonable player has a lead on my masons (no pun intended). If a mason does wind up getting wagoned, I'll cancel the wagon forcefully. So please don't attempt to use mason hunting as an excuse. If a slot is a vigilante, be damn sure you're not shooting a mason but beyond that... leave it to me.

I don't like your excuses not to give reads. I'm not a fan. Your rationale could apply to anyone. I get playing some cards close to the chest, so I only asked for one. If you're right, maybe we'll get a counter going.

VOTE: Hectic

Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:27 am**

Ank ill vote flavor if you are down to party

Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:28 am**

In post 1583, Bitmap wrote:
@Ank:
I know you're voting for Boons but can you explain more about why he's scummy? I'll admit I'm mostly using game spec to conclude that Boons is probably town but I thought his catch up was pretty good.

that vote was a meme

Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:28 am**

You suspect subterfuge in the masonry?! Egads!

-s

Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:28 am**

Ali, you should say “Dad, when you said X, it hurt me because Y. Please do not say X.”

Then you should say “Dad, what did you think of the 49ers losing in the Super Bowl”

Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:29 am**

Why Hectic? I don't have him lock town. If your case is good enough, I may publicly encourage his wagon (regardless of mason or non-mason status). I just need wagons to get the game going. I'd rather not wait until the last two days (which seems to happen in every large).

Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:29 am**

Hectic would you betray me????

-s

Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:31 am**

my notes are very incomplete so I'll need a bit to double check

Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:32 am**

In post 1594, Ankamius wrote:my notes are very incomplete so I'll need a bit to double check

That's fine. I'll go play some TFT or go to my game shop to write. I just want some definitive read from you with reasons behind it.

Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:32 am**

I can't read Hectic so someone fill me in.

The only game I played with him was when I was on my alt for Undertale and I just really wanted to lynch him for the weird things he did as town.

Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:32 am**

In post 1589, Ankamius wrote:
In post 1583, Bitmap wrote:
@Ank:
I know you're voting for Boons but can you explain more about why he's scummy? I'll admit I'm mostly using game spec to conclude that Boons is probably town but I thought his catch up was pretty good.
that vote was a meme

Miquotes are memes.

Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:33 am**

In post 1585, Sherlock and Watson wrote:ali it's hard to say if you're reacting appropriately when we don't know the dad's insult. Need more info tbh

-S

ok sure I can explain that a bit more

My dad wants me to continue conversations and make sure I'm having open dialogues.
I am a very introverted person and I prefer to listen to my dad over talking, I'm not very talkative.

Posted: **Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:34 am**

In post 1591, gobbledygook wrote:Ali, you should say “Dad, when you said X, it hurt me because Y. Please do not say X.”

Then you should say “Dad, what did you think of the 49ers losing in the Super Bowl”

he doesn't watch the Super Bowl

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