Mini Normal 2132 [Game Over]

[profii]

Spoiler: Profii

1414 - Profii theorizes the scumteam is {Wake, Hectic}
those are my two of my highest townreads man!

1426 - Profii questions why the N2 wasn't blocked.
I'm unsure what he means by this. Is this surprise that there was a death N2?

1494/1498 - Profii considers scum neighbourizer being in the setup to grant scum a way to have daytalk
At first, i didn't think much of this. But now that i'm considering it more, that sounds like a weird way to design a setup.

additionally, I do not like the suspicion on Hectic that he creates with this theory. It both requires a scum neighbourizer being in the setup (which isn't here), AND it requires that the scum neighbourizer recruits scum. from town!profii PoV, that'd be a large stretch to suspect hectic

Overall i feel like trying to incorporate hectic into the lynchpool looks forced. Hectic back and forth on his profii read quite a bit, but last night he decided that in profii/bob/adorable, profii is most likely. We didn't get down to discussing it but im starting to see why he thought that

1536 - "I said to myself I'd tunnel Wake for most of the day and my continued survival would be a sign that scum want me to continue to do so and I'm wrong but I'm already bored of that strategy."

I am really confused why profii is going after Wake in the first place. But not only that, profii is considering that his continuing to be alive could be intentional in order for him to attack Wake.

i feel like this might be a way for him to comfortably tunnel Wake but also sound like he was having an internal struggle over it if wake is lynched/dies. What causes town!profii to think he would die if Wake is scum?

@profii, in 1426 were you talking about the nightkill?

Also @profii, Do you still feel the same way you did in 1536? I.e. suspecting Wake but also worried that scum is intentionally letting you attack Wake

First bit - I quoted that post because someone said something about no NK and there was the post declaring there was

2nd post. Surely we are lynching a PR claim today. Need to think which one

[Wake1]

OK, so I watched Dave/Lucky slot N3 and no one visited.

[bob3141]

Profii are you saying you want to lynch one the pr claims today

[profii]

Profii are you saying you want to lynch one the pr claims today

I'm saying I feel like we are being led towards town lynches and the PRs arent mechanically clear in my mind

[Adorable]

Normally a mini normal has 4 pr and I think once in a while there will be 5 pr but normally it's 4. I listed the pr claims we have seen and heard and there are 6. Three pr are dead and three are alive. Figuring out which pr is scum will be tough.

Neighborizer Enabler
Rolecop
Ascetic
Babysitter
Neighborizer
Watcher

[bob3141]

ascetic is not a town pr. Its a negative town role that is intented to weaken the town pr.

The enabler is also not a town pr. As that role disables another pr on its death.

There are only 4 pr either flipped or claimed

Rolecop
Babysitter
Neighborizer
Watcher

[bob3141]

is the watcher is scum then

rolecop
neighborizer
babysitter

leaves a hole in town power

[bob3141]

If dave slot was scum they could of killed wake and claimed that because he was outed he sat on someone he thought was scum.

Thus based on balanced alone it would be highly suspect for some to suspect wake

[bob3141]

Normally a mini normal has 4 pr and I think once in a while there will be 5 pr but normally it's 4. I listed the pr claims we have seen and heard and there are 6. Three pr are dead and three are alive. Figuring out which pr is scum will be tough.

Neighborizer Enabler
Rolecop
Ascetic
Babysitter
Neighborizer
Watcher

The fact you woudl seven suggest 6 town pr leaves me thinking you are trying to force a 1v1v1 between them today.

As at teh most one can be scum. Thus at least one scum must be else where.

And if watch and babysitter are town then scum has to risk killing one at night. Why would anyone want to lynch there while we still have one mislycnh to spare.


VOTE: Adorable

[Adorable]

Normally a mini normal has 4 pr and I think once in a while there will be 5 pr but normally it's 4. I listed the pr claims we have seen and heard and there are 6. Three pr are dead and three are alive. Figuring out which pr is scum will be tough.

Neighborizer Enabler
Rolecop
Ascetic
Babysitter
Neighborizer
Watcher

The fact you woudl seven suggest 6 town pr leaves me thinking you are trying to force a 1v1v1 between them today.

As at teh most one can be scum. Thus at least one scum must be else where.

And if watch and babysitter are town then scum has to risk killing one at night. Why would anyone want to lynch there while we still have one mislycnh to spare.


VOTE: Adorable

I have been leaning town on the pr claims from previous day phases thinking they were all town and I wasn't expecting one of them to be scum when I saw Morning Tweet say this.

[Adorable]

I'm going to iso some players so that I can figure this out.

[Adorable]

bob is not looking good for me and he was one of those players who was off the chemist wagon.

#496 - bob says if tictac is scum his gut is telling him scum is bussing and tictac had 4 votes at the time. Scum are supposed to work as a team getting town lynched and not vote each other on day 1.
#641/646 - bob votes davesaz for gut feeling. I don't like gut feeling reads because it can sometimes be an easy way for scum to give out their reads.
#819 - bob says he was fine with the chemist wagon saying it's a decent chance of flipping scum but instead he votes davesaz and said on day 1 he wants to lynch the scum that don't want to bus.
#1483 - bob says he was thinking Gamma was scum at the start of day 2 but he never mentioned Gamma on day 2 when I read through his posts.

VOTE: bob

[bob3141]

Normally a mini normal has 4 pr and I think once in a while there will be 5 pr but normally it's 4. I listed the pr claims we have seen and heard and there are 6. Three pr are dead and three are alive. Figuring out which pr is scum will be tough.

Neighborizer Enabler
Rolecop
Ascetic
Babysitter
Neighborizer
Watcher

Normally a mini normal has 4 pr and I think once in a while there will be 5 pr but normally it's 4. I listed the pr claims we have seen and heard and there are 6. Three pr are dead and three are alive. Figuring out which pr is scum will be tough.

Neighborizer Enabler
Rolecop
Ascetic
Babysitter
Neighborizer
Watcher

The fact you woudl seven suggest 6 town pr leaves me thinking you are trying to force a 1v1v1 between them today.

As at teh most one can be scum. Thus at least one scum must be else where.

And if watch and babysitter are town then scum has to risk killing one at night. Why would anyone want to lynch there while we still have one mislycnh to spare.


VOTE: Adorable

I have been leaning town on the pr claims from previous day phases thinking they were all town and I wasn't expecting one of them to be scum when I saw Morning Tweet say this.

Then why say this" Figuring out which pr is scum will be tough."

you say last day you town leaned all teh town pr. Why all of sudden are you saying one scum is in the pr. Not could or might. But you say. WHICH

[bob3141]

bob is not looking good for me and he was one of those players who was off the chemist wagon.

#496 - bob says if tictac is scum his gut is telling him scum is bussing and tictac had 4 votes at the time. Scum are supposed to work as a team getting town lynched and not vote each other on day 1.
#641/646 - bob votes davesaz for gut feeling. I don't like gut feeling reads because it can sometimes be an easy way for scum to give out their reads.
#819 - bob says he was fine with the chemist wagon saying it's a decent chance of flipping scum but instead he votes davesaz and said on day 1 he wants to lynch the scum that don't want to bus.
#1483 - bob says he was thinking Gamma was scum at the start of day 2 but he never mentioned Gamma on day 2 when I read through his posts.

VOTE: bob

And why do you think scum wouldnt bus chemist?
Why do you think me thinking scum would bus chemist is scum indicative?

If you think scum would merge ther votes together why do you think my votes day oen are scum indicative? By your own admission i didnt do what you claim to have thought scum would do. Why do you think as scum i would push against chemist counter wagon and not as you say "work as a team"

What do you think is scum indicative about me being ok with chemist being lynched. And why do you think rather supporting dave push on alort instead push dave with no one. And push against his lynch. Instead pushing him as to why he doesnt want chemist even though he scum reads him? You say scum woudl work as team but why would i solo push a player and push hard against the counter wagon too chemist lynch. Ensuring it happens but getting no credit for it.



Why do you think adora that town wouldnt try and scum hunt during day one? Using all the time availabe to sort those pushing the goign wagons.

Are you sayign you think a townie would just sit on chemist and not do anything? Not try and find out who could be his two partners or if chemist was infact town what that could mean.

adora do you like misrepping. Are you saying i had no interaction with gamma day two and that is why you scum read me?




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Your vote feels very omgusy. I call you out on you turning on hair pin when it comes to the town pr. With you even suggesting cake or gamma role would compete with the likes of watcher or babysitter.

[bob3141]

Profii are you saying you want to lynch one the pr claims today

I'm saying I feel like we are being led towards town lynches and the PRs arent mechanically clear in my mind

What makes you think the town pr claims could be scum?


Which of the town pr do you think are impossible to be scum?

Who in the town pr do you think as is scum?

And why do you think we shouldnt force scum to resolve one of those slots for us. Instead of doing there dirty work and being down 2 town pr come the next day.

Rather than one town pr. With potential guilty or even a scum death. former watcher / latter babysitter

Why do you think we should help scum remove these two mines for their night

[bob3141]

profi and adora why do you two think chemist was informed and what do you think he was informed of?

[Morning Tweet]

@Bob

Why are you so confident that scum will target a PR claim? If there's scum in Wake/Lucky, i wouldn't expect scum to hit a PR claim

Additionally, if all PR claims are town, scum still might not target them as a WIFOM tactic

[Morning Tweet]

Normally a mini normal has 4 pr and I think once in a while there will be 5 pr but normally it's 4. I listed the pr claims we have seen and heard and there are 6. Three pr are dead and three are alive. Figuring out which pr is scum will be tough.

Neighborizer Enabler
Rolecop
Ascetic
Babysitter
Neighborizer
Watcher

The fact you woudl seven suggest 6 town pr leaves me thinking you are trying to force a 1v1v1 between them today.

As at teh most one can be scum. Thus at least one scum must be else where.

And if watch and babysitter are town then scum has to risk killing one at night. Why would anyone want to lynch there while we still have one mislycnh to spare.


VOTE: Adorable

Profii (1575) and I (1570) have also placed heavy suspicion upon the PR pool today. Why aren't you suspicious of us forcing a 1v1v1?

Again you are certain that scum is going to strike the babysitter/watcher. But if wake/lucky are scum, striking the other would make no sense. why do you not consider this?

[bob3141]

@Bob

Why are you so confident that scum will target a PR claim? If there's scum in Wake/Lucky, i wouldn't expect scum to hit a PR claim

Additionally, if all PR claims are town, scum still might not target them as a WIFOM tactic

What im sayng is that i infact think scum have not targeted the town pr to be able to WIFOM push them.

Tweet what do you think of town pr balance if either the watcher is scum or lucky is scum with another pr.


Your role if town is just to weak to plug any of those holes.

neighbourizer with an enabler is in effect similar to a 2-3 shot neighbourizer.


enabler is use to nerf town roles.

[bob3141]

and if you were scum tweet that would still leave a small hole in town power.

Normal town power in my experince either 3 town pr with one being a double role. Or 3 town pr with a gated power role.

[bob3141]

Or 3 town pr with an additional gated town power role.


Both beign vs half scum role. (something like 2 shot or even/odd)

[Morning Tweet]

Another argument for 1 scum being in Wake/dave is actually the VT claims. If we have a town rolecop/babysitter/watcher/neighbourizer, wouldn’t a scum PR claim a role other than VT to make it so it's impossible to decipher who the scum PR is? Admittedly this is the point im least sure about, they might just claim VT

i have more on this now. If the setup is:

Town Watcher (+)
Town Babysitter (+)
Town Rolecop (+)
Town Neighbourizer (+)
Town Neighbourizer Enabler (-)
Town Ascetic (-)
4 VT

Our PR strength would be less than 4. More of a 3-3.5 range probably

But if scum don't have strong roles, say they have:

Scum 1-shot JK
<something weak or goon>
Mafia Goon

then that'd explain why our PR strength is weak. It's weak not because we only have a few PRs, but weak because our PRs are overall not that strong

And then this would also explain why there's no extra claim coming from the VT pool of clidd/bob/adorable/profii. They wouldn't have a role to claim other than something bad like the "Ascetic town" claim was

[Adorable]

Normally a mini normal has 4 pr and I think once in a while there will be 5 pr but normally it's 4. I listed the pr claims we have seen and heard and there are 6. Three pr are dead and three are alive. Figuring out which pr is scum will be tough.

Neighborizer Enabler
Rolecop
Ascetic
Babysitter
Neighborizer
Watcher

The fact you woudl seven suggest 6 town pr leaves me thinking you are trying to force a 1v1v1 between them today.

As at teh most one can be scum. Thus at least one scum must be else where.

And if watch and babysitter are town then scum has to risk killing one at night. Why would anyone want to lynch there while we still have one mislycnh to spare.


VOTE: Adorable

Reading this again I saw this suspicious bob votes me for wanting to lynch in the pr claim when all I said was figuring out which pr is scum will be tough and I originally had them as a town read from previous day phase and it was Gamma I was scum reading. profii was the one who wanted to lynch in the pr claim and Morning Tweet expressed suspicion on the pr claims but instead bob votes me.

[bob3141]

Adora answer my questions.

You have not avoided answering some of them but avoided anwsering every single one.

[bob3141]

Normally a mini normal has 4 pr and I think once in a while there will be 5 pr but normally it's 4. I listed the pr claims we have seen and heard and there are 6. Three pr are dead and three are alive. Figuring out which pr is scum will be tough.

Neighborizer Enabler
Rolecop
Ascetic
Babysitter
Neighborizer
Watcher

The fact you woudl seven suggest 6 town pr leaves me thinking you are trying to force a 1v1v1 between them today.

As at teh most one can be scum. Thus at least one scum must be else where.

And if watch and babysitter are town then scum has to risk killing one at night. Why would anyone want to lynch there while we still have one mislycnh to spare.


VOTE: Adorable

Reading this again I saw this suspicious bob votes me for wanting to lynch in the pr claim when all I said was figuring out which pr is scum will be tough and I originally had them as a town read from previous day phase and it was Gamma I was scum reading. profii was the one who wanted to lynch in the pr claim and Morning Tweet expressed suspicion on the pr claims but instead bob votes me.

You also repeat your instantance that there is scum in the pr claims.

Why are you so sure there is one scum in pr claims. You have not said


Why do you think town doesnt scum read you?

Dont you think your vote is bit omgusy. Infact you coundnt get more omgusy. oh king of omgus. holder of the sceptre om and chalice of gus.