Posted: Fri May 08, 2020 8:51 am
That's a bad argument, it's very person dependent. A lot of people do OMGUS, but quite a few are nuanced enough to recognize a legitimate argument.
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Posted: Fri May 08, 2020 8:55 am
I also think you have a somewhat decent point about Creature being an EZ push but that's also something that could be said for any low impact/lurker there is. And yes that's exactly why scum do push them but then there are town that see such lots as scummy. Feels kinda hypocritical that you are voting there while chiding Quick over pushing there.
Posted: Fri May 08, 2020 8:55 am
*Insert lecture about Frequentist vs Bayesian statistics*
Posted: Fri May 08, 2020 8:55 am
Wagoning them is a great way to find out. Sometimes just scumreading them is enough.In post 1572, Auro wrote:It's interesting that you feel mid D1 is that point though. I feel like it's too early to expect most gimmick/meme alts to shed it and start playing.
Posted: Fri May 08, 2020 8:57 am
When I got invoted to play and read the setup; I thought about it and I theorized there would be one of two solutions to balance this:In post 1063, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:It seems scumsided to meIn post 1061, Quick wrote:OOOOHHHHHH
Mafia do not HAVE to kill infected players. Makes WAY more sense now.
a) A Doctor who gives out a vaccine
b) A Doctor who cures the infected and once cured you can no longer get infected again
I also thought there could be a Nurse as a backup in case the Doctor got shot early.
I mean, this is basically a cult game, but with the cult starting with 3 members AND all of them can "recruit", so there has to be a way for town to retrieve their own to counter that.
Posted: Fri May 08, 2020 8:58 am
in fairness, I said alot not that greens only OMGUS.In post 1575, Auro wrote:That's a bad argument, it's very person dependent.
Posted: Fri May 08, 2020 8:59 am
Sure. Fair to ask Tchill to bring up instances of it as town.
Posted: Fri May 08, 2020 8:59 am
how does a50 know that all the mafia can recruit? Does it say that in the op?
Posted: Fri May 08, 2020 9:00 am
My theory should explain that. If the recruit gets cured they become immune, and thus it's better for them to kill that player to remove a future immune townieIn post 1069, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:They “may”. But if one of their wincons is to absorb at least half the town why on earth would they bother?In post 1065, Creature wrote:Wait, mafia must kill one of their recruitees every night?
Posted: Fri May 08, 2020 9:00 am
Posted: Fri May 08, 2020 9:01 am
Would be kinda weird to have a double alignment change.
Posted: Fri May 08, 2020 9:02 am
In post 1183, Nero Cain wrote:Is farside still null to you, Tchill? What do you think of her scum reading you?
from this game in particular? only farside.In post 1574, Nero Cain wrote:I mean sure, I think alot of green pms are stupidly OMGUSy. I think these last 2 or so times when I've flipped scum there were all like "oh I get the case on me." and its just really weird. I mean, there's a decent amount of scum motivation to town read the person that is scum reading you.In post 1566, Tchill13 wrote:That has more so to do with ppl going out of their way to play the game against their wincon from my perspective though.
Can you show me some examples of town you town reading players for scum reading you?
I've never linked my own games or have meta dove any other players. if youd like to do that be my guest but id rather not have to link you something. I totally understand the motivation its just something ive never done.
Posted: Fri May 08, 2020 9:02 am
I don't think you understand what that actually means. It doesn't apply here.In post 1526, Quick wrote:"Most WIFOM"
Posted: Fri May 08, 2020 9:02 am
It says the infection is aIn post 1582, Nero Cain wrote:how does a50 know that all the mafia can recruit? Does it say that in the op?
factional
ability, so all original Mafia members have access to it.Posted: Fri May 08, 2020 9:03 am
OR... or or maybe I'm sensitive to that kinda shit.In post 1533, Nero Cain wrote:I think if ETL ends up being scum Quick is prob a green pm. That whole "stop being mean to quick" feels buddyish and scummy. Like I don't really see how one reads him and isn't annoyed by his weird stances and rapid vote hoping. OTH, you couldkindainterpret it as scum trying to find traction and get out of d1.
Posted: Fri May 08, 2020 9:05 am
thats not the same thing? A50 s saying that they all can recruit as in like there will be 3 recruits tonight. But the one in the op makes it sound like there will be 1 recruit a night b/c its a factional ability not linked to a role.
Posted: Fri May 08, 2020 9:06 am
Shit, I thought I could beat the prod timer. Was way way too tired to play yesterday and didn't want to prod dodge but oh well, actions have consequences; while not playing yesterday was inevitable, not prod dodging means I'll eat the prod. 
Anyway.
They are things that coming from almost any player, I would be scumreading.
Anyway.
I'd be all too happy to link to my towngames and my scumgames so people can see the night and day difference between the two.In post 635, Quick wrote:"By looking at all my games over the past year."In post 632, mastina wrote:I mean my games are public record so it's not like I'd be lying about easily-confirmed, easily-provable information that is readily available for anyone to search up on their own.
Funnily enough...In post 648, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:Come up with something that isn’t meta considering I’ve been on hiatus for literally years and the last game we played together was in 2016.
...I already did. That wasn't meta-based and in fact none of the main backing of my reasons for suspecting you have anything to do with meta.In post 397, mastina wrote:Not gonna even pretend I'd have any gauge of ETL's meta years-later. Even if I did have perfect memory of how she played (and I most decidedly do not), the years of absence probably did change said meta anyway. But like. Instant vibe from her opening? Even in a meme game (or, you could say,especiallyin a meme game), probably just scum.
They are things that coming from almost any player, I would be scumreading.
Posted: Fri May 08, 2020 9:06 am
kinda an odd way to put it no?In post 1588, 50 Judge Powers wrote:It says the infection is aIn post 1582, Nero Cain wrote:how does a50 know that all the mafia can recruit? Does it say that in the op?factionalability, so all original Mafia members have access to it.
Posted: Fri May 08, 2020 9:06 am
I don't see why that you've never done it should mean you don't do it now. This should be significantly easier for you to recall and retrieve than someone else.In post 1586, Tchill13 wrote:if youd like to do that be my guest but id rather not have to link you something. I totally understand the motivation its just something ive never done.
Otherwise he'll say that since he's seen town frequently OMGUS and scum frequently avoid that, you're more likely scum for it: thoughts?
Posted: Fri May 08, 2020 9:07 am
Keep reading, we went over all this already.In post 1588, 50 Judge Powers wrote:It says the infection is aIn post 1582, Nero Cain wrote:how does a50 know that all the mafia can recruit? Does it say that in the op?factionalability, so all original Mafia members have access to it.
Posted: Fri May 08, 2020 9:08 am
inb4 someone accuses Nero of "fake townslipping"
Posted: Fri May 08, 2020 9:08 am
If you're town, you're wrong and I'm disappointed. If you're scum, well then, that just proves the point I made earlier, which is that you consistently do this when I'm town and you're not.In post 1591, mastina wrote:Shit, I thought I could beat the prod timer. Was way way too tired to play yesterday and didn't want to prod dodge but oh well, actions have consequences; while not playing yesterday was inevitable, not prod dodging means I'll eat the prod.
Anyway.I'd be all too happy to link to my towngames and my scumgames so people can see the night and day difference between the two.In post 635, Quick wrote:"By looking at all my games over the past year."In post 632, mastina wrote:I mean my games are public record so it's not like I'd be lying about easily-confirmed, easily-provable information that is readily available for anyone to search up on their own.
Funnily enough...In post 648, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:Come up with something that isn’t meta considering I’ve been on hiatus for literally years and the last game we played together was in 2016....I already did. That wasn't meta-based and in fact none of the main backing of my reasons for suspecting you have anything to do with meta.In post 397, mastina wrote:Not gonna even pretend I'd have any gauge of ETL's meta years-later. Even if I did have perfect memory of how she played (and I most decidedly do not), the years of absence probably did change said meta anyway. But like. Instant vibe from her opening? Even in a meme game (or, you could say,especiallyin a meme game), probably just scum.
They are things that coming from almost any player, I would be scumreading.
Posted: Fri May 08, 2020 9:09 am
That would be too complicated and too overpowered, but more importantly the infection is a FACTIONAL ABILITY, and thus can only be used by the "Mafia" faction. Why do you think the mod differentiates between Mafia and Infected when both have the same win con?In post 1081, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:I wonder if you get infected can you infect another person by visiting them and hen they can only kill one of the infected people and the other gains immunity.
Posted: Fri May 08, 2020 9:10 am
I prob would slip on a townie. I'm very clumsy.
Posted: Fri May 08, 2020 9:10 am
And no way growth can be exponential anyway.