Large Normal 232—Sibyl's Elegy [GAME OVER]

[The Bulge]

Votecount 1.21

Cabd

[7] - deep-city-lights, Nero Cain, Rathe, Save The Dragons, samantha97, Anastasia, Etine

T3

[4] - Andresvmb, Kerset, Marky Mark, Enchant

Anastasia

[3] - Vasex, Anya, Cabd

Andresvmb

[2] - Dunnstral, KittyTacky

Enchant

[2] - T3, NDMath

NDMath

[1] - WindowsXP

deep-city-lights

[1] - DrippingGoofball

Not voting

- DeathNote

With 21 players alive, it will take 11 votes to achieve an elimination.

The deadline for Day 1 is Thursday, May 6 at 3:00 am EDT/7 GMT. You have (expired on 2021-05-06 03:00:00).

Mod Note

Cabd and Etine v/la

[Cabd]

You're welcome for the pagetop, Bulge <3

[Anastasia]

I will keep my conviction in this metatell well past the grave into the dead thread if needed.

Going full steam attack towards a demotivated me isn't a bad play, but I mean, yeah, I'm no big loss and I doubt many people listen to me after I die, so, bully on you?

Half of my townreads already wrote the "Cabd was very dumb town let's just take the day one mislim as a mistake and move on ignoring him" post in their heads anyways.

Clearly not my crowd or my game.

If you are actually town then I just have no words for how disappointed I am that you've decided to go all in on some "meta-tell" on someone who posted 8 times without any regard for their site activity or the play of their replacement.

I really do expect better from you.

[The Bulge]

DeathNote has requested replacement. He may no longer post in the game.

This is a reminder to please message me privately if you wish to replace out, as per the forum rules.

Do not bring outside influences into the game - this includes threats, bribes, wagers, promises, "trust tells", alliances, etc. Using knowledge from previous games is perfectly acceptable, but try not to carry grudges from one game to another.

Replacements, while sometimes necessary, also serve as an outside influence. As such, do not tell other players to replace out. Do not publicly threaten to replace out of a game. If you do need to replace out, do not publicly discuss your reasons or anything else, as you are no longer a player in the game. PM your game moderator if you are considering replacing out or have concerns and believe another player should be replaced out.

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[Kerset]

BoP is a fallacy read.

[Etine]

I don't disagree with Kerset! I do think Cabd as scum though is in a predicament. He can't exactly buckle on this read given his own circumstance, and if town he probably just dies on it..

[Kerset]

Ana you should remove bias from your judges. First Vasex then Cabd. You just happen to find the most scummy people, who accuse you.

[WindowsXP]

i still think vasex is town btw just flawed reads

[Anastasia]

Ana you should remove bias from your judges. First Vasex then Cabd. You just happen to find the most scummy people, who accuse you.

I usually have a conversation with people who vote for me and try to figure out their alignment through their responses.

Save the Dragons for example feels townie - not just because he unvoted me, but because I feel a real curiosity to his line of inquiry and an open minded nuance to his thoughts.

Cabd/Vasex feel like they are not trying to assemble a puzzle, not trying to figure out whether they are correct.

It feels more like they have an elimination that they want, and they clutch to a string of thought that gets them there - it's a frame of thinking that lacks curiosity.

I don't believe either of them truly see me as someone they suspect - just someone that they might be able to get mis-eliminated today.

[Anastasia]

One thing I do not do is OMGUS back at people haphazardly with no thought.

I try to see if I can see what their belief/case on me is from their POV.



For example this is Cabd's "case" on my slot being scum:

Anastasia - Marangal (the original owner of the slot via her alt Artemis) and I go extremely way back. As in "Mara was the IC of my first or second newbie game in 2013" back. As in "Literally went to IRL meetups at anime cons" far back. Town-Mara, cognizant of and seeing my "Help I need a friendly face to help me engage into this game" signals being thrown into the ether? She fucking steps up and uses me as her leverage to get both of us back into the game, and HARD. If, for some crazy reason she cannot? She encourages me to keep it up and tries to find that person for me instead. Know what town-mara never fucking does? The crickets form this game.

I don't believe he actually believes this case.

If you examine Artemiana's ISO, it is 1 ego post on Thursday and then 7 short posts on Saturday over ~4 hours of real time.

She then flaked out of the game.

She never really engaged into the game, the likeliest explanation from a neutral POV without knowledge of her role pm is that this player did not have time and flaked out due to activity.



Instead he's decided to read into it that Momrangel saw his signals sent to her about needing a friendly face to get engaged and purposefully snubbed him?

Where is the evidence she even read his appeal? She literally only showed up for about 4 hours total the entire game and mostly talked with Vasex when she was here.

The expectation he has of her is unreasonable for the time she committed to the game and the motivation assignment doesn't actually make sense here.

What is the scum motivation for her to snub him if they have this link ? Wouldn't Scum!Artemiana needing an anchor decide to buddy up to someone like Cabd? Instead she just ghosts him because she doesn't want him to be engaged? I find his entire line of thinking incredibly reachy and unlikely to come from a town!POV.

[DrippingGoofball]

VOTE: Anastasia

[Save The Dragons]

Why are you so mad cabd

This just feels off

[Enchant]

64 pages.

Nope. No.


What Case about Cabd?

[KittyTacky]

kitty is just repeating and repeating and repeating the words of other players)

Prove it.

[KittyTacky]

Being useless is not a scum longterm tactic. He wants to be in that way even, at risk of being called out. Scum cab would get scared that his passive gameplay fails to work and react in different way then this. Its town.

There's WIFOM there though. That's what scum wants you to think. While putting in minimum effort.

[Vasex]

Sigh

[Enchant]

kitty is just repeating and repeating and repeating the words of other players)

Prove it.

It doesh't need to be proven, because that's truth, someone called someone mafia and here you are, let's vote!

... It happened how many times, three or so.

[Dunnstral]

Dunnstral - Dunn is on this list for similar, but not exactly, the reasons as the above. The last time Dunn and I met in a game, I used town-him as a pivotal part of my strategy for my scum team's perfect win in Tenet. Via a neighborhood where I posted something close to 8 pages of ISO... myself. I would fully expect and actually fully understand Town-Dunn seeing my reach out and being weary of it. Vocally so! I could also see town-dunn shouting from the rooftops "This is how scumcabd gets you OMG!" But instead, we get nothing. To make the ffery sitting over my shoulder watching this thread smile, I'm going to steal her turn of phrase and note that both Dunn and Mara are not fitting their Town Models.[/area][/color]

We played in another game in between where I was town and I wasn't shouting at you.

[Dunnstral]

That is some really bad meta

[Vasex]

I dont care, the day is too long for me, im loosing interest
VOTE: Cabd

[Vasex]

If cabd a town and i am alive, i will be the leader!!1 We'll elim anastasia or kitty then. Or enchant. More we wait in this difficult day - more bussing and pocketing and paranoia happens.

[Vasex]

Dcl, wtf? Why dont you ask a replacement?

[Vasex]

i still think vasex is town btw just flawed reads

pocket attempt denied.

[Vasex]

the main reason I think ndmath and anastasia are town is because of their critical view of me

there's 0 reason to think I'm town this game lol

I can see that you are not in pair with kitty from the start of the game. So if he is mafia, i have a solid reason to consider you town

[Vasex]

Cabd attacks people, which he knows very well. Arte and Dunn.
The only question is it because he really sure he found scums, or just worried about that they can easily find him knowing him too...?
Buuuut... talking about the second option. Neither Artemiana(and Anastasia), nor Dunn were suspecting Cabd... Artestasia's scumreads: mark,vasex,etine,ndmath,samantha. Dunn scumread mostly only STD.... This is std scumreads cabd, but dunn scumreads std, not cabd... "what has cabd done?", "exactly"
Well , this is a quite strange tactic for cabd-scum to attack Artestasia and Dunn, who are not dangerous for him at all.
Maybe only one exception: if they are dangerous for his partners. But their voices are not too loud and they cannot create a wagon to ndmath or std ... so... it seems cabd is town really. Or just sick/crazy, like fond of fonding difficulties for himself, attacking his allies.
Though Dunn has voted Andre, then Kityy voted Andre, but still cabd was waiting rather long with no real danger for Andre...

I think cabd is town