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In post 1573, Towelie wrote:

In post 1565, Critter wrote:And in WH13 I was fucking right on Cakez too the shade is noted Towelie.

Good. You could use a little shade w/ the attitude you've got.

You spent the other half of the game pushing Titus who wasn't scum. My point wasn't that your reads are generally bad, just that you're hard headed about them.

-b

Titus was someone I waffled on because she went against two scum wagons and was having an off day for her. I said Cakez or you and she backed off. So yeah she was in my PoE along with y’all.

Please stop this meta shit already. It’s stupid. Work with what’s in this game.

In post 1574, Critter wrote:Dude just went to my if not Kyo this.
And what do you think I am doing? I have been fucking trying to get reads from people so I can heat map and LLD can do her thing. As much as I want Kyo I am not spamming the thread with Kyo!Kyo!Kyo! No matter the BS she keeps saying. And yeah you have several times said this is my town play in so many words.

This entire post confuses me (except for the third sentence, which I do appreciate)

Er, third sentence of the second paragraph. "As much as I want Kyo..."

In post 1567, Something_Smart wrote:

In post 1565, Critter wrote:When I say we should end the day we should ya know end the day.

If only you had been playing this game on your main, this might have had some weight to it...

In post 1571, Something_Smart wrote:

In post 1568, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Describes Math's towngame

Well if he were playing on his main then it would be reasonable to be confused.

But I think this does check out from my experience.

These literally call me town.
Then you say “this (my posting) checks out from your experience”
Yet bottom of reads list c’mon man.

In post 1577, Something_Smart wrote:Er, third sentence of the second paragraph. "As much as I want Kyo..."

As much as I want Kyo I am not tunneling her.

In post 1578, Critter wrote:Yet bottom of reads list c’mon man.

You did not just deadass ask me for an unordered execution list and then misinterpret it as a read list.

My dude.

In post 1579, Critter wrote:As much as I want Kyo I am not tunneling her.

No I get it, that's the one sentence I do understand and appreciate. The REST of that post confuses me. But it looks like you misunderstood.

In post 1580, Something_Smart wrote:

In post 1578, Critter wrote:Yet bottom of reads list c’mon man.

You did not just deadass ask me for an unordered execution list and then misinterpret it as a read list.

My dude.

They’re the same thing my dude. Town doesn’t put town at the bottom of the execution list.

In post 1578, Critter wrote:These literally call me town.

Also, I don't think you know what "literally" means. They do not literally call you town, that is not up for debate.

They do not figuratively call you town either, though that at least is a bit of a gray area. Why would you think I could believe those posts but not believe that you could be scum?

In post 1582, Critter wrote:They’re the same thing my dude. Town doesn’t put town at the bottom of the execution list.

I copied from the OP and deleted the people I was not willing to execute (LLD, myself, and Wisdom).

In post 1564, Something_Smart wrote:Gamma Emerald
Towelie
MUSHSHAGANA
E. M. M. I.
Milk & Mocha
Venus Fly Trap
Dunnstral
Critter
StrangeMatter
ssbm_Kyouko

this is essentially everyone but, what, wisdom? why wisdom in particular? you weren't townreading wisdom

-b

In post 935, Something_Smart wrote:I don't really get Wisdom's reads this game. I have a lot of respect for him, and I basically sheeped him to victory in 8-ball, but they don't really feel satisfying.

That said, after 8-ball, he's firmly in my "never exe D1" box.

if it's cause of this i don't get it at face value

-b

In post 1581, Something_Smart wrote:

In post 1579, Critter wrote:As much as I want Kyo I am not tunneling her.

No I get it, that's the one sentence I do understand and appreciate. The REST of that post confuses me. But it looks like you misunderstood.

Yeah reread it again because that post is very clear. I am noting my compromising. Not playing word semantics with you and Kyo.

It is because of that.

Basically I just saw him get steamrolled despite having near perfect reads in an execution that almost singlehandedly lost town the game. So I think he deserves at least one day of slack just for the content he'll produce if town, no matter how scummy he looks.

In post 1564, Something_Smart wrote:

In post 1562, Critter wrote:I would love it. Even if it’s just me. Because more sorts.

All right, here goes:

Gamma Emerald
Towelie
MUSHSHAGANA
E. M. M. I.
Milk & Mocha
Venus Fly Trap
Dunnstral
Critter
StrangeMatter
ssbm_Kyouko

Was examining this list for who is missing of the 13 as there are 10 players pooled here, obviously LLD and S_S himself are missing, then I realized Wisdom is the last and remembered the suggestion Wisdom made that S_S should do something_wise lmao. I'm also fine having Wisdom off the table - it looks very likely that the 0-1 scum amongst Critter, Wisdom is Critter at this point.

To put some structure to things, here are some reads separated by hyphens indicating degrees of confidence (DoC).

Literal conftown: LLD
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Scum: Critter
Likely town because the wagon on M&M didn't move when pushed by LLD, but the one on VFT moved fast: Venus Fly Trap
Pre-flip town that are spewed by scum!Critter. If Critter flips town, this moves to townlean with same DoC as Towelie read: Dunnstral
Pre-flip town is likely, due to interactions [player] has had with/around scum!Critter: MUSHSHAGANA, Wisdom
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Pre-flip town is likely, due to interactions [player] has had with/around scum!Critter: S_S
Plausible scumbuddy to Critter: Milk & Mocha (also has been scummy individually and does not drop DoC if Critter flips town)
Leantown: Towelie
-
Could be scum with Critter/M&M, but can't be scum if M&M is town: Gamma Emerald (Moves to highest DoC if Critter and M&M both flip scum. Do not let him into ELO if this happens.)
--POE Line--
Pool of players that could replace Gamma as the last scum with Critter/M&M - basically null: EMMI, StrangeMatter

POE line here indicates that these reads are the leftovers that come from my other reads

In post 1587, Critter wrote:Yeah reread it again because that post is very clear. I am noting my compromising. Not playing word semantics with you and Kyo.

I just went to your if not Kyo this. Extremely ungrammatical, but I gather that I'm now your second scumread behind Kyo. This seems to have been based on a misunderstanding. Do you retract it?
What do I think you are doing? I obviously don't know, you are either trying to advance town wincon or trying to advance scum wincon. Can you be more specific?
You have been trying to get reads to heatmap. Fair enough, that worked for you before, though I'm skeptical whether it will work here. I'm not sure how that's supposed to help LLD.
You are not tunneling Kyo, thank you, I appreciate it.
I have said several times that it's your town play. Also sounds like a misunderstanding. I had you as leantown a while ago but that's it.

Lmao Kyo you can stop now
You’re not getting me elimmed if you’re scum
And if you’re town you should be listening to the TRs

Since people TR Kyo here
VOTE: Something Smart

eh. hard to empathize with personally but i wasn't there.

i guess i'm getting kinda of used to you having essentially no strong reads at this point in the game, i feel like this avenue gets explored w/ you every game i've been in with you.

-b

@ss

Mm.

Do I go reread 1841 or not

I am incredibly tempted to but I do not really feel it will be enlightening.

In post 1589, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Likely town because the wagon on M&M didn't move when pushed by LLD, but the one on VFT moved fast: Venus Fly Trap

LLD also made an announcement of "hey please sheep whatever i vote here" before voting VFT; this didn't happen when she voted M&M so i don't think those two situations are terribly comparible.

-b

In post 1590, Something_Smart wrote:

In post 1587, Critter wrote:Yeah reread it again because that post is very clear. I am noting my compromising. Not playing word semantics with you and Kyo.

I just went to your if not Kyo this. Extremely ungrammatical, but I gather that I'm now your second scumread behind Kyo. This seems to have been based on a misunderstanding. Do you retract it?
What do I think you are doing? I obviously don't know, you are either trying to advance town wincon or trying to advance scum wincon. Can you be more specific?
You have been trying to get reads to heatmap. Fair enough, that worked for you before, though I'm skeptical whether it will work here. I'm not sure how that's supposed to help LLD.
You are not tunneling Kyo, thank you, I appreciate it.
I have said several times that it's your town play. Also sounds like a misunderstanding. I had you as leantown a while ago but that's it.

LLD can use the lists to pick a read in her townread’s would elim pile.

So she can go say “Players A B C D are my townreads who do they agree can go”
Hmmm they all say “E can be elimmed, can they?”

It creates cohesion as well as acts as a barometer for reads

But she's probably not going to. She's obviously already doing her own thing.

It seems to me that your scumread on me appeared due to a misunderstanding. But the misunderstanding has been cleared up, and you still seem to scumread me. Why?

In post 1596, Something_Smart wrote:But she's probably not going to. She's obviously already doing her own thing.

And she is doing her own thing with posts here. It’s a tool. Not the be all end all. Why are you so against people stating plainly where they are? I like don’t get this.

My lim pool is, by order of preference:

Highly preferred: Critter
Would eliminate happily: M&M
Still happy with these, but they feel like compromise given the confidence I have in scum!Critter: EMMI/StrangeMatter

deadline compromise: MUSH, S_S, Gamma, VFT

pedit: @bell regarding VFT wagon, this is fair, but I think scum are more likely to sheep the IC when the IC is pushing town than scum. I think if M&M was town we would have seen some more traction. Not to mention they've felt a bit "do-nothing" and still haven't explained how the game was "solved" back when they announced their read on Dunn and said they were going to chill now because they have it solved.