Mini 783: Cowboy Bebop Mafia - Game Over, Space Cowboy
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That I don't think is true. The games I've played, a roleblocker causes someone to fail at even targeting. I believe I played one here where a roleblock kept someone from being tracked anywhere.
Aware of that. However, you are attacking him repeatedly. Assault and battery can lead to death if sustained over a period of time. ~ Cybele
Yeah, except I already asked before and he didn't answer.Zilla wrote:^ Brilliant *smacks forehead*
I'm still thinking, and VP and Zilla are about neck and neck for me. Two things keeping them about level:
1) I can't discount the idea that there's something fishy we don't know about happening. I haven't discounted that idea yet, and it has served me well. I didn't just hop on to ZEEnon and Xtoxm being mod-confirmed Masons together. Turns out I was right not to. I didn't buy a second double voter -- there was a null vote after all. Yeah, the easiest explanation is that wasn't shown as targeting PF because she's lying, but the easiest explanation has failed us a few times this game. She might still be the best lynch, but I'm still worried.
2) VP's play has been a bit scummier to me throughout the game, and I want to keep in account the entire pattern of the game rather than just the last several pages.
I'm still looking to the two of them for today's lynch, though others aren't discounted. I still think at least one of them has to be lying, if not both.
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Which game was this? Deathnote? Why did you feel it was necessary to include one vanilla? And do you know of any other games with one vanilla?Gorrad wrote:Korlash, YOU have been in a game with only one vanilla. One, I may add, that I modded.
Nothing is impossible. See above. I don't believe games can or should have only one vanilla but apparently there is at least one game in which that is not true. Hence, I can disbelieve something that is fully possible.Zilla wrote:Korlash has done his darndest to say he doesn't believe it, but it's not impossible.
It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Given the evidence at hand, I've reached the conclusion that you must be scum. There is a remote possibility that this is not the case and something is in play that is mostly unseen up to this point. But without any real evidence to the contrary, what am I supposed to believe?
If the situation were reversed and you were coming from the blind perspective that the rest of us are regarding your alignment, would you really believe your claim?
If the situation were reversed and you were coming from the blind perspective that the rest of us are regarding your alignment, would you really believe your claim?
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Gorrad wrote:Mod: Would a hypothetical watcher role C see if player A targetted their target B even if A was roleblocked?
No, I think a roleblock would prevent Player A from going to the target, rather than going to the target and not doing anything. Like maybe Player A is knocked unconscious and kept at their home with the RB.
Zilla ––– Korlash, Gorrad, Juls
Korlash --- Zilla
Not Voting ––– charlatan, VP Baltar
With 6 alive, it takes 4 votes to lynch.
Vote Count #32 of Day 4
Zilla ––– Korlash, Gorrad, Juls
Korlash --- Zilla
Not Voting ––– charlatan, VP Baltar
With 6 alive, it takes 4 votes to lynch.
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Yeah, Korlash, Deathnote. I only included one vanilla as it was a series in which /everyone/ had something to make them special. Except Matsuda. On the other hand, it was a mafia of four, three of which were power roles and one of which was a traitor.
I will not assume everyone with blue eyes has Mako poisoning
I will not assume everyone with blue eyes has Mako poisoning
I will not assume everyone with blue eyes has Mako poisoning
I will not assume everyone with blue eyes has Mako poisoning
I will not assume everyone with blue eyes has Mako poisoning
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Ok So you included one vanilla based on theme and flavor and on a super powered mafia.
Thusly it bares nothing in common with this game. The town is pretty much made up of non-specific characters and thusly aren't linked "flavorwise." In addition the mafia is already proven to be at least half weak, so one vanilla doesn't fit that way either.
Thusly it bares nothing in common with this game. The town is pretty much made up of non-specific characters and thusly aren't linked "flavorwise." In addition the mafia is already proven to be at least half weak, so one vanilla doesn't fit that way either.
It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Ok so that clears that up. This means Zilla could have possibly been RBed and not seen. So if anyone has any evidence at all of a RBer now would be a good time to come out with it.Mod wrote:No, I think a roleblock would prevent Player A from going to the target, rather than going to the target and not doing anything. Like maybe Player A is knocked unconscious and kept at their home with the RB.
It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Meh, outguess the mod is probably pointless. Also, games aren't supposed to be built on their flavor.Korlash wrote:Thusly it bares nothing in common with this game. The town is pretty much made up of non-specific characters and thusly aren't linked "flavorwise." In addition the mafia is already proven to be at least half weak, so one vanilla doesn't fit that way either.
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VP: there is nothing of hard evidence that says I'm scum, even from your hypo-town perspective. Why do you disbelieve my claim, when given the information you have, there's
Why don't you lay out exactly why you think I'm scum?
plenty
of other explanations?Why don't you lay out exactly why you think I'm scum?
Aware of that. However, you are attacking him repeatedly. Assault and battery can lead to death if sustained over a period of time. ~ Cybele
I don't actually seeZilla wrote:VP: there is nothing of hard evidence that says I'm scum, even from your hypo-town perspective. Why do you disbelieve my claim, when given the information you have, there'splentyof other explanations?
Why don't you lay out exactly why you think I'm scum?
plenty
of explanations. The one hypothetical that makes any sense is that there's a roleblocker in play, and even that is contingent on the assumption that the roleblocker has not successfully blocked anyone of importance throughout the game, even after Vi and I claimed.- [color=navy] charlatan[/color]
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[color=navy]more or less done here; will maybe consider invites or replacing into your game if you're in a bind on a case-by-case basis. (low probability.)[/color]
[color=maroon]every sermon is not the gospel[/color]
[color=navy]more or less done here; will maybe consider invites or replacing into your game if you're in a bind on a case-by-case basis. (low probability.)[/color]
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pretty much. Don't you think it is likely that if there were a roleblocker in the game we would havechar wrote: I don't actually see plenty of explanations. The one hypothetical that makes any sense is that there's a roleblocker in play, and even that is contingent on the assumption that the roleblocker has not successfully blocked anyone of importance throughout the game, even after Vi and I claimed.
some
kind of evidence showing that?YOUR AD HERE
Basically, you're saying it hinges on me not being seen by charlatan; therefore scum?
And how long did Vi live claimed? And how many nights was it known Charlatan was a watcher?
Night 1, neither Vi nor Charlatan claimed; Xtoxm dies.
Night 2, Vi claims, Vi dies.
Night 3, Charlatan claims and does not die. This is the only time when Charlatan could have reasonably been targeted as a roleblock target for his role, and this was after I had said I was an associate and knew that Rhinox was lying.
And how long did Vi live claimed? And how many nights was it known Charlatan was a watcher?
Night 1, neither Vi nor Charlatan claimed; Xtoxm dies.
Night 2, Vi claims, Vi dies.
Night 3, Charlatan claims and does not die. This is the only time when Charlatan could have reasonably been targeted as a roleblock target for his role, and this was after I had said I was an associate and knew that Rhinox was lying.
Aware of that. However, you are attacking him repeatedly. Assault and battery can lead to death if sustained over a period of time. ~ Cybele
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Looking at my own role, I cannot say with any certitude whether or not I was roleblocked on N1 and 2. I know with absolute certainty that I was not last night. The only reasonable evidence I could see from my perspective is if I was blocked on N2 because I definitely felt the scum would have gone after Vi. I mean, she was on Rhinox pretty much the whole game, and never really gave don any slack that I can recall.
Who do you think is the scumroleblocker if they exist and why?
Who do you think is the scumroleblocker if they exist and why?
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Korlash, for denying a roleblocker exists, and putting all the "blame" on me, then having to admit the possibility exists but asserting that "It's just easier if I'm lying."
He's my absolute top candidate, followed very distantly by Gorrad.
He's my absolute top candidate, followed very distantly by Gorrad.
Aware of that. However, you are attacking him repeatedly. Assault and battery can lead to death if sustained over a period of time. ~ Cybele
I'm ready for a hammer. I wish I could be more confident about it, but there's a lot of speculation and not as much hard evidence as I'd like right now. I pretty much see the following possibilities:
1) Zilla and VP are telling the truth. Zilla was roleblocked and Baltar did some target switching, leaving Korlash, Juls, or Gorrad as potential Pokerface killers. In this scenario, I am most inclined to believe Korlash is guilty, taking into account my long-standing suspicion towards that seat as well.
2) Zilla is telling the truth, VP lied. Means VP is the killer and that there's a roleblocker or something similar in play as well. It was my mistake to come out with the watcher results before letting Baltar claim, and you should all feel justified in bitching at me about it post-game, since it gave him a way to fakeclaim.
3) Zilla is lying, VP is telling the truth. Potential. Zilla tried to off me, got PF instead. Not necessarily a roleblocker or even an additional scum.
4) Both are lying. Both are scum. Explains everything pretty neatly aside from Zilla's decision to say she targeted Pokerface, but that's a whole lot of wine to swallow anyways.
I find options 2-4 more likely than 1 by a fair distance, and that still leaves me thinking one of you is definitely scum. I can't make up my mind which, and honestly I keep waffling, but I'm not getting any closer. In terms of night actions, Zilla living and pulling off a night action means we lose Zilla. If VP lives and pulls off a night action, he has the potential to cause scum to kill scum, which seems more valuable in the hypothetical situation wherein he's what he says he is.
Given this, I am slightly more comfortable with a lynch on Zilla, and am ready to see it happen. As VP said, any objections?
1) Zilla and VP are telling the truth. Zilla was roleblocked and Baltar did some target switching, leaving Korlash, Juls, or Gorrad as potential Pokerface killers. In this scenario, I am most inclined to believe Korlash is guilty, taking into account my long-standing suspicion towards that seat as well.
2) Zilla is telling the truth, VP lied. Means VP is the killer and that there's a roleblocker or something similar in play as well. It was my mistake to come out with the watcher results before letting Baltar claim, and you should all feel justified in bitching at me about it post-game, since it gave him a way to fakeclaim.
3) Zilla is lying, VP is telling the truth. Potential. Zilla tried to off me, got PF instead. Not necessarily a roleblocker or even an additional scum.
4) Both are lying. Both are scum. Explains everything pretty neatly aside from Zilla's decision to say she targeted Pokerface, but that's a whole lot of wine to swallow anyways.
I find options 2-4 more likely than 1 by a fair distance, and that still leaves me thinking one of you is definitely scum. I can't make up my mind which, and honestly I keep waffling, but I'm not getting any closer. In terms of night actions, Zilla living and pulling off a night action means we lose Zilla. If VP lives and pulls off a night action, he has the potential to cause scum to kill scum, which seems more valuable in the hypothetical situation wherein he's what he says he is.
Given this, I am slightly more comfortable with a lynch on Zilla, and am ready to see it happen. As VP said, any objections?
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[color=maroon]every sermon is not the gospel[/color]
[color=navy]more or less done here; will maybe consider invites or replacing into your game if you're in a bind on a case-by-case basis. (low probability.)[/color]
[color=maroon]every sermon is not the gospel[/color]
[color=navy]more or less done here; will maybe consider invites or replacing into your game if you're in a bind on a case-by-case basis. (low probability.)[/color]
One last thing to think about; whose lynch gives more information for tomorrow?
Hypthetically, I'll look at the possibilities.
I hypothetically come up town; we learn there's likely a roleblocker (or at the very least, there has to be a reason Charlatan didn't see me).
I hypothetically come up scum; that means either good game or... if game doesn't end, that... um... I don't know?
VP hypothetically comes up town; I'm still suspect as scum, we learn... um.... I don't know either?
VP hypothetically comes up scum; lends credence to roleblocker theory, shows that he targetted Pokerface directly (unless he's a scum bus driver?)
Yeah, I'm being objective here, I don't know which of the two is more beneficial.
Hypthetically, I'll look at the possibilities.
I hypothetically come up town; we learn there's likely a roleblocker (or at the very least, there has to be a reason Charlatan didn't see me).
I hypothetically come up scum; that means either good game or... if game doesn't end, that... um... I don't know?
VP hypothetically comes up town; I'm still suspect as scum, we learn... um.... I don't know either?
VP hypothetically comes up scum; lends credence to roleblocker theory, shows that he targetted Pokerface directly (unless he's a scum bus driver?)
Yeah, I'm being objective here, I don't know which of the two is more beneficial.
Aware of that. However, you are attacking him repeatedly. Assault and battery can lead to death if sustained over a period of time. ~ Cybele