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In post 1598, Bulbazak wrote:

In post 1597, Mac wrote:Why would egg have killed DBK Bulba?

vote Bacde

I explained that earlier. Bo was a tricky slot to read. If he ended up being mafia, Egg took out another member of the mafia team. If Bo was town, Egg eliminated a potentially useful town player. It was a win-win.

OMG WIFOM.

In post 1599, Egg wrote:Bulb, what do you mean by "whether he thought kuribo was scum or not"?

It means that even if you changed your mind, you would have still killed Kuribo just to keep him from tunneling you today. I don't think this is the case, though.

In post 1599, Egg wrote: And why would I be worried about kuribo tunneling me with all of the other people that were saying I was scum?

You mean me? Yeah, because look at how successful been... The point is that Kuribo could have actually accomplished something by tunneling you. He was dangerous. Therefore, he had to go.

honestly the bacde vote makes sense to me

I said I'd get to this last night, and I didn't

Still trying to sort out my feelings about this game

Mac, who is your top scumread (not including me if I'm now a scumread)? I'm willing to sheep you tbh

are you going to do anything to change my mind?

you keep putting things off, maybe you are struggling but you are seen is town and I feel like this is you trying to coast your way through the game without really doing anything.

other than you it's probably Bulba but I have this overwhelming gut feeling you are the wolf at the moment and there is literally nothing you are doing to change it.

But kuribo wasn't guaranteed to tunnel me the way you have been. If I just wanted one less vote on me, i'd have gone after you. And if I was wolf panicking because there's still mafia alive, and I've been pushing your lynch, doesn't that imly that I probably legitimately have thought you were scum this whole time? If I was wolf and my mind was going the way you think it was last night, it would have made more sense to shoot you than kuribo.

In post 1604, Mac wrote:are you going to do anything to change my mind?

you keep putting things off, maybe you are struggling but you are seen is town and I feel like this is you trying to coast your way through the game without really doing anything.

other than you it's probably Bulba but I have this overwhelming gut feeling you are the wolf at the moment and there is literally nothing you are doing to change it.

dude there's a reason my play isn't geared towards changing your mind

I'm town, and I really don't give a fuck about "changing your mind"

I just want to lynch the scum

assume I'm town, now who is the scum? I have a hard-boner townread on you ESPECIALLY with you going after me right now for being the lazy, insecure player that I'm being in this game

who would be the wolf if I'm not? I seriously just want to sheep you in this game because I have 2.5 scumreads (bulba, egg, potentially Syr) and only 1 lynch. I got REALLY thrown off by PP INSISTING that there was a scum in me/Syr, which is why I've lost my mojo this game.

Seriously, I was SO SURE that Syr was town, but PP INSISTED LIKE A MADPERSON, and she flipped town, and its important to me to listen to the dead whether they were nightkilled or lynched

I'm not trying to coast dude I'm just REALLY insecure

and I don't understand why more people aren't pressuring Syr or at least questioning him

and I don't really know what questions to ask him to make him trip up if he was scum

Mac I know I'm not your strongest scumread right now you are just being paranoid (which makes sense), so who is? I'm seriously about to sheep you

Self-Meta: If I was scum in that L-1 scenario that we had for THE LONGEST TIME today, I woulda just hammered

then I coulda gone to tomorrow and "coasted" just as you are accusing me of right now

I want this lynch to be right, not quick

I gave my reasons for Bulba wolf re the DBK push/calling me town afterwards and I felt it was possibly targetted at setting me up.

yes you are making me super paranoid but it's not just the paranoia it's the entrance in today where you went "thanks wolf I was thinking kuribo-scum" <-- if Bulba believes egg targetted kuribo because he thought he was maf then logically he should be thinking the same about you (this is further why bulba is scum imo but I'm not sure why)

pedit; ugh that kinda makes sense but you are not creating reasons for it to be right, you are creating reasons to figure it out later

this could be seen as stringing the day out because the town are fighting amongst each other too you know.

Kuribo flipping town is another reason that I'm super insecure about my reads, btw

why would I string this day out rather than lylo day? Honestly I'm not sure that I see a scum advantage

Maybe because town would lose momentum or energy? Well guess what, I'm town, and I've already lost momentum AND energy

so I just really want to be sold on someone being scum, preferably the wolf

UNVOTE:

hang on

you say you are working of PP's reads?

what about kuribo's?

I dunno

All I remember about Kuribo was him getting pissed off and then hammering PP

PP's words were much more chilling

Did Kuribo have Egg as his top scumread after PP?

i want you to tell me who I should lynch between egg and bulba

I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place w/ that

PP thought Egg was town, bulb was scum, and that the other scum was in me/Syr

Kuribo said EXPLICITLY that he would listen to PP's reads if she got lynched.

Kuribo also had egg as scum, and he was positive that there was a scum in Egg/PP

Actually, now I'm thinking Egg is scum, because of this post:

In post 1605, Egg wrote:But kuribo wasn't guaranteed to tunnel me the way you have been. If I just wanted one less vote on me, i'd have gone after you. And if I was wolf panicking because there's still mafia alive, and I've been pushing your lynch, doesn't that imly that I probably legitimately have thought you were scum this whole time? If I was wolf and my mind was going the way you think it was last night, it would have made more sense to shoot you than kuribo.

I'm probably going to end up voting egg by the end of the day

sorry PP, I'm not Kuribo

In post 1605, Egg wrote:But kuribo wasn't guaranteed to tunnel me the way you have been. If I just wanted one less vote on me, i'd have gone after you. And if I was wolf panicking because there's still mafia alive, and I've been pushing your lynch, doesn't that imly that I probably legitimately have thought you were scum this whole time? If I was wolf and my mind was going the way you think it was last night, it would have made more sense to shoot you than kuribo.

Except I've been largely ineffective at pushing your lynch and have been seen as scummy by many of the players. Why waste a shot on me? Meanwhile, Kuribo had the potential to push your lynch hard and actually accomplish something, and there was no way he was going to get lynched as he was being strongly read as town.

Also, am I a mafia or a wolf read for you?

In post 1611, Mac wrote:I gave my reasons for Bulba wolf re the DBK push/calling me town afterwards and I felt it was possibly targetted at setting me up.

How would that be setting you up?

In post 1611, Mac wrote: yes you are making me super paranoid but it's not just the paranoia it's the entrance in today where you went "thanks wolf I was thinking kuribo-scum" <-- if Bulba believes egg targetted kuribo because he thought he was maf then logically he should be thinking the same about you (this is further why bulba is scum imo but I'm not sure why)

That actually crossed my mind, which was why I had Bacde listed as potential scum at the beginning of the day. It was also why I felt the need to ISO him. I got about halfway through his ISO before having my townread so completely reaffirmed that I stopped.

I don't see the difference between you pushing me and kuribo pushing me. Like why I should have been more scared of him. I'm just not getting this.

I have you as wolf although I wouldn't be shocked to see you flip mafia either.

Your post heavily implied that you thought I was mafia.

That's because I was responding to a post that used a mindset of me being wolf. If I was wolf trying to shoot someone who was likely scum AND likely to tunnel on me, your earlier pushes on me combined with the fact that I've been pushing your lynch would make you the most likely NK in that case. And in that case, i'd probably have a legitimate scum read on you. If I was wolf, I couldn't have a legitimate wolf read on you.

But if you are wolf, you'd be scumhunting as well, which means that you would only be looking for mafia. As such, any wolf reads you'd have as a wolf would be fake. Therefore, since you read me as wolf, and since I believe you to be the wolf, it does not make sense for you to want to NK me as a scum read if you are also faking a wolf read on me. I'm either one or the other. Wolf or mafia. Yet, somehow, you seem to be unwilling to make a decision on my alignment. It is convenient for you to refer to me as mafia when WIFOMing about a NK, but yet when pressured, you take back that read. I think you're backtracking, that your reads are fake, and that you are the wolf.

Come on, try to backtrack again. I dare you. Because when it comes to logic and language, I can run circles around you.