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Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:06 pm
by Toogeloo
Let's say someone had meta on a player that White Knights as town, but didn't White Knight this game, what's your opinion on that?

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:06 pm
by Amrun
You'll see when you read. But I'm asking what YOU believe about white knighting and when you are likely to do it.

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:07 pm
by Ellibereth
yeah not really feeling it yet sowwy :(

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:07 pm
by Titus
In post 1595, Amrun wrote:Guys, I understand that Titus nee Jon Doe is a v distracting thing, v shiny, v vote magnet, and maybe that thing is also scum.

But can everyone please address the point that if Trust Fund is a vig kill, Titus is unlikely to be scum, and if Trust fund is a scum kill, the opposite is true?

That's why I think we should wait and let the kills sort that out. Thx for your time, please come again.

VOTE: elli

Things have happened since page 57, even, and you're still a fluff storm.
Bad theory. I didn't kill anyone, nor did my other head.

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:08 pm
by Toogeloo
It's ok Elli. We could just lynch you and save you the trouble. Why don't you just disappear for a while and give more people an excuse to vote you.

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:08 pm
by Amrun
Guess whose opinion on that I don't care about, Titus? (Yours.)

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:10 pm
by Ellibereth
In post 1604, Toogeloo wrote:It's ok Elli. We could just lynch you and save you the trouble. Why don't you just disappear for a while and give more people an excuse to vote you.

I think it goes faster when I post lolol

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:11 pm
by GuyInFreezer
In post 1600, Toogeloo wrote:Let's say someone had meta on a player that White Knights as town, but didn't White Knight this game, what's your opinion on that?
It would depend on if that someone WKs as scum too or not. If he never WK as scum, then meta-dar will ring.
In post 1601, Amrun wrote:You'll see when you read. But I'm asking what YOU believe about white knighting and when you are likely to do it.
See above.

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:21 pm
by Sugar Cain
In post 1595, Amrun wrote:But can everyone please address the point that if Trust Fund is a vig kill, Titus is unlikely to be scum, and if Trust fund is a scum kill, the opposite is true?
Lets just pretend that TF is a vig kill, how does that make Titus less likely to be scum?

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:21 pm
by Toogeloo
GiF: I give you Exhibit A

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:25 pm
by borkjerfkin
In post 1608, Sugar Cain wrote:Lets just pretend that TF is a vig kill, how does that make Titus less likely to be scum?
Cause he was NK analyzing the TF kill as if it were a known thing that TF was the scum kill. It looked organic to me, which would indicate he didn't know it wasn't.

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:37 pm
by GuyInFreezer
In post 1609, Toogeloo wrote:GiF: I give you Exhibit A
Newb 1387 :facepalm:
omg that game gave me so much headache

Anyway
I'm pretty sure I said that me WKing is null in that game and explained how WK is just a playstyle instead of being a scumtell using my previous plays for examples.

Also I don't remember saying that I WK every time I'm town.

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:42 pm
by Thor665
In post 1592, Sugar Cain wrote:
In post 1589, Thor665 wrote:Yesterday you had a lot of opinions about it, today...not so much.
You do know that I've been having a back and forth with Titus for awhile now, right?
You are aware that I've not been, right?
In post 1595, Amrun wrote:But can everyone please address the point that if Trust Fund is a vig kill, Titus is unlikely to be scum, and if Trust fund is a scum kill, the opposite is true?
I don't think either direction holds much water.
I see town making bold statements about which kill was what prior to any ability to know what the feth they are talking about all the time.

If you want to believe this tell works, how would it apply to NBH leaping past the idea of an SK existing and straight to a Vig?

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:45 pm
by Thor665
In post 1611, GuyInFreezer wrote:Anyway
I'm pretty sure I said that me WKing is null in that game and explained how WK is just a playstyle instead of being a scumtell using my previous plays for examples.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p5062992

Statement appears to hold water.
I buy it.
Let's lynch Elli for lulz.

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:47 pm
by No Brains Here
In post 1595, Amrun wrote:if Trust Fund is a vig kill, Titus is unlikely to be scum, and if Trust fund is a scum kill, the opposite is true?
Please elaborate.

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:48 pm
by Titus
In post 1614, No Brains Here wrote:
In post 1595, Amrun wrote:if Trust Fund is a vig kill, Titus is unlikely to be scum, and if Trust fund is a scum kill, the opposite is true?
Please elaborate.
Pretty obvious. Amrun's assuming my slot killed Trust Fund, even though that's been the opposite of everything that's come out of my mouth.

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:51 pm
by No Brains Here
If TF is a scum kill, why would you be scum?

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:01 pm
by Toogeloo
Because apparently one of either waynegg or Titus perspective slipped that TF was a scum kill that OGML pointed out, and it was one of your hydra players that pointed out that OGML was actually the one who slipped.

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:03 pm
by Toogeloo
Honestly, why don't we just have Titus state yes or no if he was responsible for the Majiffy kill at this point. I know one of the No Brains slot told him not to claim it, but doesn't most of the argument on both sides hinge on whether or not Titus' slot killed someone that night, and he's already claimed to have not killed Trust Fund.

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:06 pm
by Titus
I did not kill anyone last night.

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:06 pm
by Amrun
In post 1608, Sugar Cain wrote:
In post 1595, Amrun wrote:But can everyone please address the point that if Trust Fund is a vig kill, Titus is unlikely to be scum, and if Trust fund is a scum kill, the opposite is true?
Lets just pretend that TF is a vig kill, how does that make Titus less likely to be scum?
I find it an unlikely line of thought to come from scum who knows Majiffy was the real scumkill, and very little motivation to fake.

p-edit: Thor, NBH sk/vig thing is irrelevant to the game because I think, given the mechanic, an sk is silly. I think anyone else would conclude that too.

I got pulled away from the computer before posting this so probably a million posts.

p-edit 2: No, I'm not assuming your slot killed Trust Fund, Titus... Sigh.

If Majiffy was the scumkill AND your slot was scum, I don't think you would have shared the analysis about TF in thread, real or otherwise.

If Trust Fund was the kill AND your slot was scum, I think you'd be more likely to share this "analysis," because you have inside information.

In the latter case, you are not automatically scum, but your chances increase. In the former, I think it's unlikely that you are scum.

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:07 pm
by borkjerfkin
In post 1617, Toogeloo wrote:OGML was actually the one who slipped.
I don't think OGML slipped; in fact I think (as several of us have said) that TF isn't even the mafia NK.

But OGML saw blood in the water and tried to nail JD to the wall for it without considering other reasons JD may have had to say it. The ultimate truth about who was actually what kill (fuck, chesskid could be a vig and majiffy and TF could both be zombie kills for all we know, however unlikely that is) isn't as important.

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:08 pm
by Titus
In post 1616, No Brains Here wrote:If TF is a scum kill, why would you be scum?
I wouldn't be. Amrun is saying I would be because he's assuming I did kill Trust Fund. Assuming I killed TF, then whatever alignment killed TF, I'd have to be. It's all circular, requiring his assumption be true.

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:08 pm
by Amrun
In post 1622, Titus wrote:
In post 1616, No Brains Here wrote:If TF is a scum kill, why would you be scum?
I wouldn't be. Amrun is saying I would be because he's assuming I did kill Trust Fund. Assuming I killed TF, then whatever alignment killed TF, I'd have to be. It's all circular, requiring his assumption be true.
Try reading once in awhile. Novel concept, I know.

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:10 pm
by Titus
In post 1623, Amrun wrote:
In post 1622, Titus wrote:
In post 1616, No Brains Here wrote:If TF is a scum kill, why would you be scum?
I wouldn't be. Amrun is saying I would be because he's assuming I did kill Trust Fund. Assuming I killed TF, then whatever alignment killed TF, I'd have to be. It's all circular, requiring his assumption be true.
Try reading once in awhile. Novel concept, I know.
We submitted at the same time.