N's Notably Narcissistic Nonsensical Namesake (game over)

[Rail Tracer]

Networker (

daytalk enabler

) - peacebringer
Nymphomaniac Nurse (

???

) - mitillos
Naive Non-Com Neighbor (naive cop) - bbmolla
Nutty Non-Com Neighbor (paranoid cop neighbor) - RC
Nanny (the babysitter) - SP
Non-Necessary Negligent-er (conditional action delayer) - majiffy
Non-existent Narrator (tree stump) - ooba
Nauseating Numerically-blessed Nominator (hated double-voter) - varsoon
Narcoleptic Nightkiller (

???

) - luna

Nothing Notable - dante, RT



i thought we had more claimed VTs but it's apparently only dante and i.

italicised peacebringer's bracket claim because i don't remember him actually claiming it

without looking at any of them closer, i'd say there's a fairly decent chance of scum being in the players that don't have a bracket claim. maybe. i dunno how likely it is that the mod would just neglect to give them bracket claims when even the VTs got them.

[RadiantCowbells]

Mitillos isn't in the bracekt claims. Let's lynch him!

[ooba]

Agree with Luna's analysis that the setup was designed around the normalizer.
- I again come to the point that 2 Cops + Normalizer seem overpowered
- Even if we accept that, both Shadow and Mit have claimed roles that revert to normal Doc+Nurse combo if normalized
If there normalizer had survived N1, if all of these roles were town, there's a very good chance that we could have had a cop+doc combo on our hands. That's just bad design - I think def. one of {Mit},{BBM} are scum - maybe even both.

Also, most roles seem well defined i.e Mit's "anybody that attracts me" is very vague and doesn't fit with other roles. (Luna's "asleep" too to a certain extent)

Based on these two alone, Mit makes a good vote:

Vote: Mit

Don't insta-lynch anyone yet though - Lemme re-read the game for connections etc.

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which means either one of the VTs is lying

Just you and Dante claimed VTs

[Rail Tracer]

also the babysitter is a weird bracket claim since i've never heard of it and all the other roles are actual roles.

turns out there's at least one precedent for a role called "babysitter" (here) but i dunno if it is the same as this game.

i think SP is more likely town, anyway, though.

[ooba]

That's L-2 by the way.. Anybody who tries to end the day early is a scum-claim...

[Luna Lovegood]

aka a Triggered Vigilante.

[Rail Tracer]

triggered by what? not being asleep?

[Rail Tracer]

triggered vigilante would be a nice pun if it actually existed, though. just sayin'

[RadiantCowbells]

How do you know if you're awake?

[Luna Lovegood]

triggered by what? not being asleep?

Yep.

[Luna Lovegood]

How do you know if you're awake?

I know I'm awake when I target someone and they die, mostly.

[Mitillos]

In other words, a redirected backup doctor. Yeah, guess I'm just a named townie, like Majiffy said. As for being too vague, I can see the reasoning behind it. Suppose it hadn't been and it said "you'll automatically go to naughty people". Then, I'd tell the thread. If there was a tracker and another doctor, the doctor could protect me and the tracker could track me. Until the mafia could figure out either the tracker or the doctor, they'd be stuck getting found out.

And I'm guessing that Luna's is a disabled vig. That normaliser would work well there, too. Also, we know that being visited doesn't make their sleep go away.

@ooba: How is it bad design? There would be no way for the normaliser to know who would be a good target. Unless that person came out and said "my role is shitty but only one step away from being good". And even then it wouldn't be enough. Because we wouldn't know if that person was telling the truth or not. I think the normaliser had two shots, just so at least one would have a good chance of having a positive effect for the town.

[RadiantCowbells]

Actually I tihnk the trigger is being visited at night.

I'll invest her tonight, and you shoot at BBMOLLA ok?

[Rail Tracer]

if you

know

you're a "redirected

_backup_

doctor" then ... ... ...

i need to go back and look at your claim properly, because i don't remember you talking about being a backup

[ooba]

Ok - re-read D4:

If Peace is scum, Luna is not scum
- early first D4 vote by Peace
- Luna peace vote after claims (although weak)

1580: Peace ~ Mit

VC post: menm lynch - one scum in {BBmolla , Majiffy}

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Scum list: {Mit} {Peace\Luna} {BBM*} {..}
* Maj as an outside chance instead of BBM

Will update as I go along.

[Rail Tracer]

while you did claim "if there is no doctor..." you failed to mention being a backup (which would imply there

is

a doctor)

which seems like a pretty vital piece of information to leave out of your claim

and seems stranger because if you know you're a backup, then you should know why your role might not work without a doctor dying. . .

[ooba]

@ooba: How is it bad design? There would be no way for the normaliser to know who would be a good target. Unless that person came out and said "my role is shitty but only one step away from being good". And even then it wouldn't be enough. Because we wouldn't know if that person was telling the truth or not. I think the normaliser had two shots, just so at least one would have a good chance of having a positive effect for the town.

Maybe I'm biased by the fact that we had both cops claimed on D2. Let me mull over the setup later - I don't think N and I belong to the same school of setup design.

[Majiffy]

Essentially a prod dodge.

I'm following along, nothing to add.

[ooba]

Networker (

daytalk enabler

) - peacebringer
..
italicised peacebringer's bracket claim because i don't remember him actually claiming it

He claimed it, but this jogged my memory to this quote from PV

Networker is not a an Encoder.

[Luna Lovegood]

@ooba: How is it bad design? There would be no way for the normaliser to know who would be a good target. Unless that person came out and said "my role is shitty but only one step away from being good". And even then it wouldn't be enough. Because we wouldn't know if that person was telling the truth or not. I think the normaliser had two shots, just so at least one would have a good chance of having a positive effect for the town.

Maybe I'm biased by the fact that we had both cops claimed on D2. Let me mull over the setup later - I don't think N and I belong to the same school of setup design.

N belongs to a very strange school of setup design.

[Mitillos]

@Rail: I hadn't specified being a backup doctor, at the time. I thought it was implied, since I was a nurse. As for not knowing if my role works. I thought that maybe if there wasn't a doctor to begin with, maybe I'd automatically be one. If I have the capability to send in an action, I might as well, on the off-chance it does something. I don't know, this setup is too weird.

Edit: Is mafiascum intermittently not loading for anyone else?

[Luna Lovegood]

yep

[Rail Tracer]

maybe it would be implied in a normal game, but not in this game. because doctor isn't a N word. i think. last time i checked it wasn't.

still, i don't see why you wouldn't claim everything about your role when you claimed, in the interests of full disclosure.

[Mitillos]

Like I said, I thought it was implied. Evidently, I was wrong.
I was thinking maybe a Neurosurgeon... Or something.

[BBmolla]

I again come to the point that 2 Cops + Normalizer seem overpowered

How is it overpowered in a closed setup where we assume mass claiming would be unbeneficial? AND there is a compulsive framer?

I don't think there are five scum fwiw, fairly certain numbers wise makes more sense for 4.