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Generically Purple wrote:I mean, if someone faked-hammered me as scum, I'm very likely to admit that I'm scum. No joke.

That would entirely depend on whether ye be keeping track of the wagon, right? Because if ye know it was a fake hammer, ye'd react accordingly, right?

Generically Purple wrote:and I don't look at wagons, either

I'm not talking about wagons in the sense of wagon analysis, I'm talking about looking at votes and reasoning. Same question to ye, how do ye assess who is or isn't scum if ye not be looking at who votes for who and why?

What be yer opinion on SC at the moment?

Pirate King wrote:SiAm, Yggdra, Generic, PFR
SG
M&M
SC
Athena

This is still the same. If we don't lynch Athenas (slot) today, I'd lend support to SC or M&M.

GP, can you explain to me how I'm less involved in this game? I'd love to hear it. Unfortunately there was a lot of noise Day One and mass noise makes me apathetic. However PA and I are getting our shit together and conferring. You can expect a nice reads post either later tonight or tomorrow.

#Mhork

PEDIT:
Yo, RBD. While I have you, wanna explain that solid town read on Yggdra?

The upper tier isn't ranked in any order, if anything they're actually the weakest of my town reads, but it has to do with posts I liked from them earlier in the game, and their entrance today kinda felt like lost town rather than scum faking it. Nothing special; I don't like how all three heads seem to have better things to do than play this game, especially since I know at least one of them is active elsewhere, but I'm still thinking town. If I be wrong about a town read, it's probably them.

I would never be keeping track of a wagon against me, because I normally don't care about that kind of stuff, if I knew it was a fake-hammer I prolly would, yeah though I would have to be paying attention to the game to even do that in the first place. Do you not buy Athena being busy?

I never look at wagons, I don't do wagon analysis unless I have to, I don't look at who, and what people vote and why unless I have to and, I normally look at interactions (which don't necessarily lead to votes) and analyze word choice, I also try to have a general feel of who the person is (which is sometimes easy to do from seeing how people react to things in game, other times, not so much)

and SC has a good chance of being scum, ATM though, I am more interested in chasing solid reads over maybe reads, especially since tomorrow would be lylo if we lynch wrong today

In post 1596, Rancid Broderick Drake wrote:Ye be referencing something that I cannot defend, cannot talk about, cannot explain the context of (and why ye be blatantly lying about what I actually said), and cannot talk about how it relates to this game and why I think ye be bringing it up here.

Yes, that is a breach of ongoing game rules.

No, I did not bring up a statement in another game or references it. You are aware that people get impressions from the way people treat them and things people say to them correct? I mean you're not a total robot right?


You didn't have to bring up an ongoing game. You could have easily said, no tammy your interpretation of my view of you is wrong. OR hey yes tammy I think you're shit at this game but I would at least expect you to look at wagons.

but instead of doing that you accused me of discussing ongoing games. my point is that I don't believe that you are realistically expecting me to do certain things that you shouldn't be expecting from me based on what I think you think of me. So, it feels fake.

I look at day one largely as wash. people voted for nacho because mollie was pushing a case. pfr hammered before nacho had a chance to get in here and really rebut that case.

In post 1602, Mhork and Mindy wrote:GP, can you explain to me how I'm less involved in this game? I'd love to hear it. Unfortunately there was a lot of noise Day One and mass noise makes me apathetic. However PA and I are getting our shit together and conferring. You can expect a nice reads post either later tonight or tomorrow.

#Mhork

PEDIT:
Yo, RBD. While I have you, wanna explain that solid town read on Yggdra?

YOU yourself, aren't interacting. Thankfully, the two of you are making it easy to figure out who is posting what and you have like what? one post of content/reads and you aren't interacting with anyone unless you are talked to, first which, unfortunately, seems to be more inline with SCumhork than it is in townhork

since D2, however, Tammy has been a little more active, and a lot less reactive than you are and she's been interacting with people

also, hint: I don't care about read lists at all, if you don't interact with them. Interaction > lists of reads, because the latter is far easier to fake

Pedit: Tammy, please stop

What do you think of the Jiffy kill?

Generically Purple wrote:Do you not buy Athena being busy?

I believe she was busy. I just don't believe she thought she'd been hammered.

Like, especially given it was 165 Trolls who "hammered". If ye saw Cabd prematurely hammer ye, without asking for a claim or anything, would ye believe ye'd been hammered?

Thinking about this again has me wondering which posts she read that gave her the idea she'd been hammered anyway. Was it Cabd's actual vote? Or was it something else? Because the page her reaction is on, it isn't even clear that she'd been "hammered". So she was obviously following the thread to some extent, and the question then becomes whether she was following it enough to know she'd been fake hammered, or just lightly following it and thought Cabd had really hammered.

On the page where Tammy had been hammered, nacho has been making it a big ordeal that they were at L-1 and that someone should hammer. that kind of thing isn't hard to miss, and I'm also pretty sure that people were saying that she was hammered and making it obvious

and it doesn't matter who "hammers" I'd have believed it had happened, hell I had even wished town good luck when I saw BACDE lay a hammer down (though, I think it might have been a real one, I don't remember) and he's a god-damn troll

Generically Purple wrote:On the page where Tammy had been hammered, nacho has been making it a big ordeal that they were at L-1 and that someone should hammer

Right. Even if I weren't keeping track of the votecounts at the time, I'd have known that was a lie.

Do ye really think Nacho (as either alignment) pushes for a quick-hammer on someone, anyone, like that, let alone someone he seems to play with a fair bit? Do ye really think Cabd would hammer there, like that?

Or, more specifically, do ye really think Tammy thought Nacho / Cabd would do that?

The funny thing is that everyone apart from Tammy seems to have known it was a fake-hammer (or at least everyone posting at the time indicated they knew). So Tammy would literally be the only person who really thought she'd been hammered if she indeed really thought she'd been hammered.

I probably would have missed it anyway. But cabd said we were dead and it was for we the purple which made sense because I was the one who was arguing with nacho and kept trying to steer him to cabd at endgame, gp said it was a hammer, and nacho made that post that was a mimic of a mod post (which in retrospect was really really town of him to do, and I don't think scum him would have done that to me). But mainly what made me believe it was nacho's mimic of the mod post. Maybe any other day I would have checked back, but any other day I would have been there and been reacting to the wagon as it was building. But it was the first day of the semester. I hadn't slept and had people coming in and out of my office nonstop that day. I was stealing moments here and there to check the game to keep up in some fashion. It looked real to me. Just like the one that night looked real to me.

So, I be a bit late to this saloon.

But, ugh, me other half 'n Tammy 'ave some serious personality problems. And I care not about this game naemore.

It is in the good cap'n's opinion that Tammy thought she be hammered. Or may not, it matters little to I.

Now, in a lot o' ways, I have a much better bullshit-sensor than me skipper. The fact is, the lass I know never used life on shore as an excuse before. Or, she has, but she never explained her actions in such a way(such as the "I'm crying"). It be a display, a fabrication to fool ye all. The lass's tone cannot lie. Tammy under pressure has a fire to 'er, but here it be as cold as the sea.

I know that I haven't been as active as I should be, and I apologize to my hydramate and to the rest of the town. Work has been especially taxing lately, and when I am not there I am taking care of a 5 month old girl.

Tammy asked me to weigh in on SC since I have been the one trying to convince her of their scumminess in out qt. This is purely a gut meta read, but I do not see Varsoon playing the way he has (if he has even played at all) in this game. I would imagine that he would be one of the more outspoken people, making a spectacle of himself like our good friend RBD is doing. The fact that both of the heads of SC have been basically silent are pinging me so hard that I am making a choice to without even clearing it with Tammy first.

I am going to try and keep up with this thread better, but I don't have a day off til Saturday, so please keep that in mind.

-Fishy

Really tired right now with my cracked tooth which is getting worse, will be getting to the dentist later this week so going to bed early will check on this game later

And I believe my other head is V/LA


~Am

In post 1612, Rancid Broderick Drake wrote:
Now, in a lot o' ways, I have a much better bullshit-sensor than me skipper. The fact is, the lass I know never used life on shore as an excuse before. Or, she has, but she never explained her actions in such a way(such as the "I'm crying"). It be a display, a fabrication to fool ye all. The lass's tone cannot lie. Tammy under pressure has a fire to 'er, but here it be as cold as the sea.

That's a lie. You were in We the Purple where I kept referring to how busy I was in why I couldn't keep up that game as well. There was a portion of asoiaf where me being busy kept me from really posting. As far as I know you're following the cross-town games as well where I mentioned me being busy. I could show you a ton. And the fact is that the beginning of this game is the only time I referenced it. It was site-wide for me at the time. It's something that always happens at the beginning of a semester, but it was worse this time because of the things I had due at the time. But the important thing is, that you're missing and so did Siam, that the moment I had everything done and time, I made this game a priority, on exactly the day that I said I would. And I didn't just out that I nearly cried for no reason. Someone mentioned that I wasn't emotional enough, and I mentioned my reaction as evidence that they didn't know what they're talking about. It doesn't make me feel great that I get that emotionally involved in a mafia game, apparently it's rather pathetic since it's just supposed to be a game. But you're not the first scum to accuse me of not having natural emotions that made sense.

Gonna vote that.
VOTE: Athenas Fury
-V

^ap

None of my reads have changed except that I agree with Paranoid that Stuffed's last vote/post was quite bad, and by bad I mean scummy.

@Stuffed - how does Athena look scummy to you at this stage?

I suppose there is some dissonance in Paranoid thinking that too considering how he's going after Tammy...but...aw, I'm just too lazy to want to analyze that, I'll admit. Whatever, we have people hammering town reads in this game, I'm starting to think I should just start posting drama and voting whoever I thinks doesn't consider me a perfect princess of perfection.

Whoa how the fuck did I miss that?

-Fishy

GP, what do you know about my meta? What is 'town mhork' supposed to look like?

Anyway PA and I get to talking and she came in full force talking about how she really thinks that PFR is solidly scum. She wrote me up a nice big case and after arguing for a bit, I have to say that I get where she's coming from.

First of all she comments on their shitty hammer. A) There's not confusion about who hammered. It was guyett. They already said that. B) She says that town would be more concerned after doing something like that. She thinks that after your antics got the best town PR derp lynched, a person would tend to cool down and try to contribute more and make up for it. She says town would try to maximize scumhunting and prove their worth. While I think that's a little idealistic, she raises a good point. Town should care more than they are.

Then she gave a little more meat to her argument. She did not like the entry from PFR coming in here. She didn't like the throwaway reference to the modkills, the scum team that popped up with no reasoning (SG, Athena, and GP), or the fact that they just voted the easiest target. Also they immediately followed with trying to get a mass claim, a phrase which here means 'out the last PR.' Town might naturally be worried about losing the PR, but it's silly to act like we're just going to random speedlynch someone, especially after all these flips.

I felt like the tow claim thing could easily just be town accidentally being stupid with a suboptimal move, but PA thought that they're all way too good of players to make a dumb move like that. She thinks it was really scummy and like they were preying on the town. In addition she hates how much they had to be prodded to do anything useful, and how they're trying to blame GP for the nacho lynch.

Also 1438 is shitty. Saying that Athena needs death for questioning the hammer is bad since I don't even know why that lolhammer happened.

Also, one of the bigger points, they had 260 posts yesterday. Today? 15 or so. Where did they go? They've just faded off the radar, especially now that RBD has decided to step up and start spearheading things. It's sketch.

So with that, I'm comfortable
VOTE: PFR

I'm tired. I'll try to do more tonight, but I plan on going to bed early tonight.

~Mhork