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In post 1597, Cabd wrote:

In post 1595, sangres wrote:Now, what do you make of Flandre mentioning all fucking five of us?

My initial thought is QT spy role, but that is usually seen in smaller hoods. Clearly there's a 1 in 5 minimum there?

We didn't have access to the QT prior to the start of day 1. All it had was a post by bork listing our names. Given that, do you think a QT spy would have gotten access to the QT prior to night 1?

And do you think scum were equally constricted in terms of no pre-game chat? Or would that info have been available to a spy pre-day 1 and shared with their team?

In post 1595, sangres wrote:Now, what do you make of Flandre mentioning all fucking five of us?

That there is probably a scum in the neighborhood?

(Or Bork gave them info about it anyhow in which case I'll hate him).

Color me shocked ffery, you guys managed to deduce that there is likely scum in a 5 person neighborhood.

In post 1601, Angry Frat BROs wrote:

In post 1595, sangres wrote:Now, what do you make of Flandre mentioning all fucking five of us?

That there is probably a scum in the neighborhood?

(Or Bork gave them info about it anyhow in which case I'll hate him).

Color me shocked ffery, you guys managed to deduce that there is likely scum in a 5 person neighborhood.

That part's obvious. The question is whether Flandre's 539 (and other posts) give us any clues about who in the neighborhood is scum.

In the neighborhood, I said that would be a hell of a lot easier to reverse engineer if we knew who Flandre's main is.

Sangres

In post 1603, Angry Frat BROs wrote:

FoS:

Sangres

There is no facepalm gif large enough.

Signups thread:

sangres (fferyllt + Nacho)
macmollie (mac + pirate mollie)
Angry Frat Bros (BRO + AP)
Varsoon
mastin2
cabd
Venmar
pieguyn
Metal Sonic
Flandre Scarlet [alt]
Kagami
ActionDan
orcinus_theoriginal
MafiaSSK
Cephrir
Skullduggery
Aegor
zMuffinMan
Brian Skies
Kazekirimaru

This means that Flandere was likely a pre-in since they did not post here http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=37405 . So now we cross-index with people who pre-inned at the end of xenogears and see if we have any missing links.

In post 1605, Cabd wrote:So now we cross-index with people who pre-inned at the end of xenogears and see if we have any missing links.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p5565180

sangres (fferyllt + Nacho)
macmollie (mac + mollie)
Angry Frat Bros (BRO + AP)
Varsoon
mastin2

Damn, no dice.

Dan/Cabd: What are your opinions on Sangres. Like don't bullshit me, I want realtalk. Are there good reasons that I should be townreading Sangres right now?

If I can be the devil's advocate for a moment here...

In post 1376, Flandre Scarlet wrote:VOTE: Kagami

Pure survivalism at this point.

Why would Flandre, in an act of survivalism, add momentum to a counter-wagon when he could have just as easily joined the equally viable Metal Sonic, Muffin, or Mastin wagons?

In post 1557, Angry Frat BROs wrote:Also why the hell did Varsoon die. I was sort of expecting Sangres or maybe Dan.

This was pretty clearly Town-Varsoon, but he wasn't making enough of an impact to draw the attention of a protective role. That's my theory.

In post 1576, mastin2 wrote:Btw, both Cabd and Metal Sonic are incredibly likely scum.

What would be the motivation for Scum-Cabd to try to disband the wagon on Flandre the way that he did? Flandre was a Goon who had been playing pretty scummily and was likely to be lynched regardless. Why would Cabd incriminate himself to protect that?

As for Metal Sonic, I think he's Town because of an observation I had during the Night phase. Remember how Metal Sonic repeatedly asked who Flandre's main account was during Day 1? If Metal Sonic and Flandre were both Scum, don't you think that this was a question that he would have asked Flandre during the pre-game? There are three possibilities:
1.) Metal Sonic is Town.
2.) Metal Sonic is Scum and the Scum team didn't have pre-game talk for whatever reason.
3.) Metal Sonic is Scum and he kept asking about Flandre's identity just to throw us off.

The first possibility seems like the most likely to me.

In post 1590, sangres wrote:Aegor, Skullduggery, Gooner.

We didn't discuss outing this. But, I think it needs to be done.

It's fine. I don't mind.

Just looking at our neighborhood, here's how I'd list my neighbors from most likely to be Scum to least likely to be Scum:
Aegor
Macmollie
Gooner
Sangres

In post 1598, Cabd wrote:Ffery, mafiaSSK worries me a lot actually, going back and pulling his ISO.

Yeah.

Do his comments stand out compared to others' comments on the wagon? I remember Kagami worrying about the lack of a counterwagon. Kaze just pushed other wagons without a lot of comment about Flandre. Who else?

In post 1608, Skullduggery wrote:Why would Flandre, in an act of survivalism, add momentum to a counter-wagon on his own partner when he could have just as easily joined the equally viable Metal Sonic, Muffin, or Mastin wagons?

Because Flandre was obviously going to die and this was likely just some last minute distancing.

In post 1607, Angry Frat BROs wrote:Dan/Cabd: What are your opinions on Sangres. Like don't bullshit me, I want realtalk. Are there good reasons that I should be townreading Sangres right now?

Yes.

AP, I'm scum and I'm hard buddying Sangres clearly.

(Actually I'm happy with a town read on him)

All of this talk about people that aren't Kagami is boring.

In post 1313, Kagami wrote:I'm concerned about the absence of a counter-wagon

Soft defending of Flandre.

In post 1393, Kagami wrote:I don't think all the scum would be on-board this as a bus if Flandre is scum, and I think they would be pushing an alternative wagon in the hopes for a mislynch rather than a scum-lynch. The lack of a counter-wagon suggests to me that they are happy with the current lynch.

I view the FS lynch as policy. She has certainly done just about nothing, but she's hardly the only one. The scummiest thing flandre has done so far is to refuse to divulge her main account; but I think that's just as likely anti-town town behavior as anti-town scum behavior. The appeal to "survivalism" is also kind of bad, but falls in the same category, imo. Still not a bad lynch, just a not bad policy lynch.

Really shallow wagon analysis, once again casting doubt on the Flandre lynch.

The 2nd part is bonus scum points for distancing from Flandre and still trying to imply it isn't a good lynch despite that it is.

In post 1538, Kagami wrote:Urge to rhammer rising...

but no, I like claims, even if they're fake they have value.

Metal Sonic will disagree, but why is Kagami assuming that the claim will be fake here?

No concern that FS was an intentionally lurky cop or something? you want claims in case they are a town PR, not because they may be scum or some bullshit.

Kagami is obvious scum.

I'm not scum you goofball, I'm KOS-MOS

In post 1576, mastin2 wrote:Btw, both Cabd and

Metal Sonic

are incredibly likely scum.

Also, flavor says we can expect this to be 5 scum.


Flandere was Blue Testament

Still at large are:

Red Testament
White Testament
Black Testament

And the leader of them, Wilhelm.


That makes 5 nicely.

In post 1115, Kagami wrote:Thinking between aegor and ceph for vote. Trying to figure out why Aegor appears as a town-read for some people. Flandre, SSK, and brian are PLs more than anything else to my mind, and I don't think it's useful to entertain a PL while there's still time on the clock.

More soft defending of FS here early on (and BRO pointed out the rule of 3)

In post 1615, Kagami wrote:I'm not scum you goofball, I'm KOS-MOS

You realize that fakeclaims are a thing that bork gives freely and this means absolutely nothing.... right?

In post 1572, Kagami wrote:Not scum AFB, sorries, or are claiming scum flavor-cop?

This is not a town reaction to being voted.

I've never seen a chief protagonist as fake-claim.

I've done it, I made Walt a fakeclaim for a SK in Breaking Bad mafia >.>

In post 1621, Kagami wrote:I've never seen a chief protagonist as fake-claim.

Oh then you must be confirmed town then!~