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bro wrote:Seems unlikely scum would bus at this point, or let pressure on a buddy build this far. Mac-town implies one of {Anti, Jake, Aegor} scum, and then probably 1-off for the other scum

please tell me this is you joking and not seriously thinking this makes sense. if mac actually is scum, how exactly do you think his buddy was going to stop the "pressure" that built up over the course of like... 10 posts and please don't tell me you're seriously doing a VCA of a single wagon

i'm shaking my head very slowly at you at the moment

whatevs

might actually do some reading tomorrow !

In post 1594, BROseidon wrote:Seems unlikely scum would bus at this point, or let pressure on a buddy build this far. Mac-town implies one of {Anti, Jake, Aegor} scum, and then probably 1-off for the other scum.

I mean I know you are essentially confirmed town (assuming you aren't the GF) but did you forget the game you modded?

Still town! But I have no time atm just got on at my break at work. Will explain things later

the comment you made about "proving one of is town" for some reason sends shivers up my spine and I feel like your lack of participation is an effort to be as anti-town as possible. Also you not being more suspicious of your neighbor feels weird as fuck. This game is sucking the life out of me

do you have scum reads?

In post 1596, Kdub wrote:

In post 1589, Squirrel Girl wrote:AJ: People are expecting a lot of posts from me and I am busy and don't give a hoot, my claim could save me anyway, so *nyah!*

Aj posted this (or something along these lines) unprompted? Obviously I don't have the exact words, but this gave me bad vibes.

Did you two claim to each other in the neighborhood?

What was posted in the thread has been fairly clearly expressed by me with no adjustment other than paraphrasing. It is what it is.

I personally think he was just talking the neighbor thing or something - or maybe it was a weird test of Mac. I dunno.

In post 1598, zMuffinMan wrote:that is the gist of it. i mean, sometimes i read as town, sometimes i ignore large portions of a game because i don't need to read them. but as scum? no. even when i'm being lazy scum i read the game and let it show in my posts.

So if I was to actually get a burr in my fur and search through your scum games I would NOT IN ANY WAY find you saying you haven't read stuff when scum? Like, if I found one would you self vote?

In post 1598, zMuffinMan wrote:. . . . . you are either ignoring 1420 and the other stuff i just mentioned or pretending you don't understand it.

Wow. Dude, relax - here's my totally crazy alternate theory "I don't understand and that's why I'm asking for more clarification"
Retract those bad boy claws, *rawr*

In post 1598, zMuffinMan wrote: the key point here is that i'm one of the most methodical scum players you will ever find. i think things through carefully, consider as many possibilities as i can possibly foresee happening, and think about optimal approaches as scum. D2 simply would not have happened as it did if i were scum

Why do you choose to play worse when town?

scumread on kdub is back with a vengeance

In post 1604, Jake from State Farm wrote:the comment you made about "proving one of is town" for some reason sends shivers up my spine and I feel like your lack of participation is an effort to be as anti-town as possible. Also you not being more suspicious of your neighbor feels weird as fuck. This game is sucking the life out of me

Do you think Mac should be more suspicious of Aj/SG just on general principle, or because something involving their interaction in the neighborhood (based on what we know)? I disagree with the former, possibly agree with the latter.

In post 1605, Squirrel Girl wrote:

In post 1596, Kdub wrote:

In post 1589, Squirrel Girl wrote:AJ: People are expecting a lot of posts from me and I am busy and don't give a hoot, my claim could save me anyway, so *nyah!*

Aj posted this (or something along these lines) unprompted? Obviously I don't have the exact words, but this gave me bad vibes.

Did you two claim to each other in the neighborhood?

What was posted in the thread has been fairly clearly expressed by me with no adjustment other than paraphrasing. It is what it is.

I personally think he was just talking the neighbor thing or something - or maybe it was a weird test of Mac. I dunno.

Mac, is SG's paraphrase accurate? I'm curious why this wouldn't have gotten your attention at all.

Antihero wrote:scumread on kdub is back with a vengeance

Cool story Anti

You should always be suspicious of your neighbor unless you are confirmed town to each other which rarely happens.

In post 1600, borkjerfkin wrote:BROseidon, Mac, Kdub

In post 1575, Squirrel Girl wrote:
@Mac - why is Muffin town?

Feels. I really don't think he's scum with SMP, he said it best himself (self-meta ftw) that he's not afraid to bus the everliving fuck out of his buddies: for him to question both sides of SMP/Anti like such made him look town. I feel his thought process was almost similar to mine.

Obviously he's aware of his meta but still, point stands.

In post 1583, Antihero wrote:

In post 1566, Mac wrote:Well we're neighbours, so there's that.

any insight from anything said in the QT, or are you just going to mill around and hide behind the "one of us has to be town" wifom smokescreen?

VOTE: mac

i think you were right the first time, jake

Really?

I mean I could spend hours mulling over all of 6 posts but a) I had to go to work and b) this makes no sense from my scum perspective considering I played the original Tales of the Abyss game as a scum neighbour, with Nacho no less, and this has given me an insight into how I approach outing a neighbourhood as scum. So yeah, obviously I'm just hiding behind "one of us his town, please pick me!!!!!!" approach. Nice AtJ there too!

In post 1589, Squirrel Girl wrote:Mod: This is your thread.
Mod: It is now open.
Mac: Hey, what are your thoughts?
AJ: HKC is bad spammy, almost scummy for it, Anti is bad at playing, Sangres is hard to read, Jake is a potential lynchbait, Aegor plays bad but I vibe town, Muffin is a rough replace because he will add to the anger of the thread, Null on SMP, townish Kdub. What about you Mac-y-poo?

*end of n1*

Mod: Thread is open again. (

so, basically Mac didn't reply Night 1

)

AJ: People are expecting a lot of posts from me and I am busy and don't give a hoot, my claim could save me anyway, so *nyah!*
Mac: Wanted a longer day, should have slowed SMP wagon. Town on Sangres. Town on BRO due to Sangres. HKC/Jake - noisy but townish but maybe one is scum, lean Jake in that case. Aegor is scummy, AJ is towny, Kdub is forgettable. Am I forgetting anything?
AJ: You forgot Anti. I lean that wasn't a bus though. Muffinz is also here, though I combine him with the other aggressive spam posters and find their demands on me unreasonable and playstyle based.
Mod: SG is supah sexy and awesome and cool - also she now has this link.

Pretty much that's it.

This is pretty much it, AJ was missing most of night one, and the bolded is a total misrep of what the fuck went down really. That's a bit worrying.

In post 1593, Aegor wrote:

In post 1576, Jake from State Farm wrote:squirrel, why did you feel the need to defend your predecessor's actions?

Presumably squirrel has an interest in her slot's survival, hence an interest in defending her predecessor's actions to the extent she is able.


VOTE: Mac

Mac wrote: 1) I didn't defend scum
2) I didn't flip-flop on HS without clearly showing my thought process
3) I can prove at least one of us is town!

1) Chainsaw defense in posts 280 and 340. You mention SMP as a "concern" in post 582, but that unsurprisingly leads nowhere. You mention also that Jake's case is legit enough to make you think of SMP scum, but this also goes nowhere. Then you go back to voting HS, who had been tunneling SMP. You express your belief that SMP is more likely scum than Anti, but this goes nowhere. You do not post again for 5-6 days because, according to you, your V/LA.

2) I found the explanation you offered after revoting HS totally uncompelling, especially since the tunnel and naked vote accusations could be
leveled with equal validity against many other players.

I think you're confusing a chainsaw defense on SMP with my scumread on HS. At the time, you didn't call neither a chainsaw defense and it appears like you're using a scumflip to your advantage 'cause you've found a link between me and SMP. I probed in his general direction because his game content was nothing more than SMP being scum (ironically right) but that doesn't make it a fucking chainsaw.

As for 2, why didn't you bring it up earlier if that's what you thought?

In post 1596, Kdub wrote:

In post 1589, Squirrel Girl wrote:AJ: People are expecting a lot of posts from me and I am busy and don't give a hoot, my claim could save me anyway, so *nyah!*

Aj posted this (or something along these lines) unprompted? Obviously I don't have the exact words, but this gave me bad vibes.

Did you two claim to each other in the neighborhood?

I mean, it's pretty clear we haven't other than AJ's little whatever-the-hell-that-is. Between this and your previous question (both clearly answered) this makes me feel like you're posting in an effort to look like you're doing something.

In post 1602, Jake from State Farm wrote:

In post 1594, BROseidon wrote:Seems unlikely scum would bus at this point, or let pressure on a buddy build this far. Mac-town implies one of {Anti, Jake, Aegor} scum, and then probably 1-off for the other scum.

I mean I know you are essentially confirmed town (assuming you aren't

the GF

) but did you forget the game you modded?

The wording here is off

In post 1604, Jake from State Farm wrote:the comment you made about "proving one of is town" for some reason sends shivers up my spine and I feel like your lack of participation is an effort to be as anti-town as possible. Also you not being more suspicious of your neighbor feels weird as fuck. This game is sucking the life out of me

do you have scum reads?

Until recently, I wasn't. There hasn't been alot of participation between us in our neighbourhood but I made an early reachout and he answered pretty openly, as he did in his first post. But SG's blatant misrep and the "I'll claim to get out of a lynch" made me all ya know?

Yes I do. Everyone but you.

More seriously, Aegor/Kdub/SG/HKC is where the scum lie I think.

Kdub wrote:Mac, is SG's paraphrase accurate? I'm curious why this wouldn't have gotten your attention at all.

Obviously it got my attention, but I'm not really caring about his role, more his alignment. Maybe he was checking if I'd kill him? Who knows!

Meanwhile, are you going to do anything substantial?

Wording is weird how ? If he's not the gf he's confirmed town

It's the use of 'the' that's throwing me (as in you knew there was one), but you using it again suggests it's just the way you must type it rather than anything of concern

"Assuming you aren't GF "

Isn't grammatically correct imo

aren't a GF fits better than the GF.

Irrelevant nonetheless.

In post 1610, Mac wrote:This is pretty much it, AJ was missing most of night one, and the bolded is a total misrep of what the fuck went down really. That's a bit worrying.

Really? That's silly. If you wanted to share more thoughts your posting could have been "here are my thoughts - what are yours?". You didn't share much Night 1 - you shared nothing. I'll admit to not checking the time stamps, but I'm pretty sure there was a gap between AJ's reply and question and the end of Night. Why does me saying this worry you?

Looks like it was about 9 hours. And if you were sad that he wasn't saying more, you chose not to share that in thread. My question stands.

In post 1608, Jake from State Farm wrote:You should always be suspicious of your neighbor unless you are confirmed town to each other which rarely happens.

Given the frequency of town/town neighbor pairings, I'd say you shouldn't suspect your neighbor more than any other random player in the game, and possibly less.

In post 1611, Mac wrote:

Kdub wrote:Mac, is SG's paraphrase accurate? I'm curious why this wouldn't have gotten your attention at all.

Obviously it got my attention, but I'm not really caring about his role, more his alignment. Maybe he was checking if I'd kill him? Who knows!

Meanwhile, are you going to do anything substantial?

"Who knows"...well the point is that you are in a position to know more, and you didn't care enough to. If my neighbor says to me, "I'm busy, I don't care, and my claim will save me if it comes to it," you can bet I'm going to have some follow-up questions. TBH I find both you and Aj's behavior regarding that exchange to be strange. I'm trying to decide whether strange == scummy.

Last sentence is fair since I haven't been too into this game, but LOL considering the source.

squirrel girl wrote:So if I was to actually get a burr in my fur and search through your scum games I would NOT IN ANY WAY find you saying you haven't read stuff when scum?

i think the best you would ever find is me claiming i skipped a post

i mean, i suppose you could still argue this is me changing it up as scum, but that would be rather unnecessary

squirrel wrote:Why do you choose to play worse when town?

i'm just going to set aside the phrasing of this question for a moment, because it looks like you're acknowledging i'm town here or something in a way that doesn't make sense from someone voting me

i could go into a massive wall of theory ranting here explaining why you have no fucking clue what you're talking about because playing scum and playing town are two entirely different skill sets but quite frankly i don't have the energy right now and even if i did, i probably wouldn't bother

the tl;dr version of it is that as scum, my primary objectives are survival and helping my team win, and the easiest way to achieve this is figuring out what people want to see from a town-you and emulating this. as town, i don't need to worry about that - so rather than wasting time reading 50 pages (which i will probably end up doing eventually anyway, maybe, or at least skimming parts i think are relevant), if i can find who i think is scum through other means that mean much less work for me, then i'll do that instead.

i don't actually think i play worse as town. in general, i acheive my desired lynches a decent amount of the time, and i'm right a decent amount of the time, so whatever i'm doing at least seems to be working. or i'm getting really lucky

right now, i think you're scum. and i think i'm right. and i imagine i could read the thread and read AJ's posts and do all sorts of things town players normally do and it wouldn't change my mind. i want you to flip today.

In post 1619, zMuffinMan wrote:i'm just going to set aside the phrasing of this question for a moment, because it looks like you're acknowledging i'm town here or something in a way that doesn't make sense from someone voting me

The phrasing of the question does nothing of the sort.

As much as I would love to join you, you are gonna have to just wait and join the Mac wagon

Dodge prod act goes here

In post 1622, Jake from State Farm wrote:As much as I would love to join you, you are gonna have to just wait and join the Mac wagon

Eh, I think the legs are shaky on that, also, I tend to think scum with any agenda might have tried to advance said agenda, or kill me, or poke at me for AJ's sub-claim or something. I'm guessing it's a town/town and was for mod lulz myself.

You can sheep me though, my tail is large and fuzzy.