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↑ eyestott wrote:
Oh, okay. Well, I haven't really noticed a mindset change in anyone but myself.

↑ Murder of Crows wrote:That's been one of the problems with your play for me. self-absorption.

I have no idea what you think of other players, what your reads are, other than that extremely surface rolefishing accusation and vote for the boddhi satva, which was a reaction to their push on you.

Yeah, I think i understand what you mean. Ill try and expand on my vote for the tridra.

And talk about your other reads, plz.

I honestly dont even know at the moment, with regards to who i think are scum. Yonce's threat about being voted for seems wierd. Actually, I'm gonna call them out on it. Lets see what happens.
UNVOTE: JVBTB
VOTE: Yonce
No one else vote Yonce.
If I survive tomorrow, ill reveal the debuff (If its pro-town to do so). I mean, its not like ive really been that useful.

I'm still not sure how I feel about Boonskies, especially since Bulba cleared up the flavour stuff.
Egg also looks pretty scummy, especially with the compromise vote on me, seeing as he hasnt been scumreading me at all.
Yonce:

↑ yoncé wrote:[eyestotts lynch] doesn't look viable.

↑ yoncé wrote:

↑ jesusbuddhavrishnathebest wrote:hey yonce are you voting eyesott?

Also, you're voting me.

↑ Murder of Crows wrote:

VOTE: eyesott

↑ yoncé wrote:

VOTE: eyesott

Pretty big contradiction here. Also, Yonce has never even mentioned me except for telling me not to vote her. When asked to vote me, Yonce says that she doesnt see it as viable, and that JBVTB is voting her. However, as soon as MoC votes me, she places a naked, still unexplained vote on me. She also misspells my name in the exact way that MoC did, which doesnt really indicate that the vote is thought out, or made after ISOing me.

EBWOP: misspells my name in the exact way that both MoC and JBVTB did

↑ Murder of Crows wrote:It was detailed and thorough and came after weeks of too little too late, and fortunately I had scum isos and interactions to analyze.

This game is mush by comparison. It's a lot closer to Red Wine day 1. But neither Serum and Steel nor Red Wine ended a game day with me in lynch jeopardy.

None of my games on MS that I can recall are like my play in this one. Regardless of alignment.

Someone who hasn't meta'd me to within an inch of my life could miss some of the key differences.

I didn't think you would.

Which is a big hunk of why I reacted the way I did to your posts 1365 and 1366.

1366 in particular pinged. I look forward to watching from the dead thread as you try to paint yonce as scummy in spite of my flip when your case on her currently is that her interactions with me look like scum-scum.

I went through Red Wine again and your end of day posts felt nothing similar. You seemed to have an odd kind of happiness that your reads will be "golden" upon your townflip. This actually reminded me a of this newbie game where you had a slow start and once attention started turning your way, talked your way out of it by posting a lot of analysis. It also reminded me slightly of BBMolla's There is no Doctor game where once I started suspected you, Nacho talked me out of it and you posted that long analysis of Bulbazak. I'm assuming Nacho suggested you do it in order to make me read you as town/manipulating me into not wanting to lynch someone who's putting in that much effort to investigate something I wanted to investigate w.r.t Bulba's meta.

↑ Murder of Crows wrote:Someone who hasn't meta'd me to within an inch of my life could miss some of the key differences.

And lines like this feel really manipulative because it feels like you are expecting me to know all these minute details about you and having thoroughly meta'd you when I don't feel that you normally think my meta diving is up to snuff enough that you should expect these things of me. When I brought this up earlier, you implied that I may sometimes erroneously read you as town when you are scum but I should be able to accurately see you as town when town. I'm not sure I agree with that although I'd like to see an elaboration of it.

Crows actually made a good point, I think. Apart from serra (whose reason for scumreading me I still don't really understand) everyone calling me scum, namely Regfan eyes and F-16, seem to be pushing me based on an associative tell with Crows who's still unflipped.

↑ yoncé wrote:Crows actually made a good point, I think. Apart from serra (whose reason for scumreading me I still don't really understand) everyone calling me scum, namely Regfan eyes and F-16, seem to be pushing me based on an associative tell with Crows who's still unflipped.

I don't think that's accurate in Eyestott's case.

↑ yoncé wrote:Crows actually made a good point, I think. Apart from serra (whose reason for scumreading me I still don't really understand) everyone calling me scum, namely Regfan eyes and F-16, seem to be pushing me based on an associative tell with Crows who's still unflipped.

Thats not right for me.

Actually, it's so prevalent that it almost seems logical now that at least one of the three is scum with Crows and using that knowledge to build up a scumcase on me. By that I mean because the accusations against me are so strongly linked to possible Crows-scum by multiple people, it doesn't sound ridiculous to think that maybe it's because someone knows Crows is scum already and is jumping the gun.

Edit: His most recent post was about the relation between us, though.

↑ eyestott wrote:EBWOP: misspells my name in the exact way that both MoC and JBVTB did

Total coincidence of course. Or was it?

↑ Regfan wrote:

@ F16;

1) Can you explain to me how this changed from one to the other:

↑ F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:I'm still on the fence about Ffery but

I feel that their interactions with Medea make Medea more likely scum than Murder.

That was a typo actually. I meant to say that Murder-Medea interactions makes it more likely Medea is scum than Murder. I was basing it off of Perpetual MYLO in which I vividly remembered town-Ffery reaching out to and pushing hard on scum-Cabd and the way she interacted with him here reminded me of their interactions there.

Murder became a stronger scumread based on interactions and re-read of D1 so I looked through a few other Ffery-Cabd games I remembered reading a while ago to see a larger range of Ffery-Cabd interactions to make sure I wasn't making assumptions. This Newbie game stuck out as scum-Ffery spent a lot of what seemed like painstaking effort into sorting town-Cabd while Cabd trolled her, ran ridiculous gambits on Bert to make him freak out of his mind (which Ffery whiteknighted), suggested Ffery read a completely irrelevant game to look for non-existent tells and basically dicked around until she set him to be mislynched a day later. So, I don't think that she's trying to sort him and he's not is a reason to think Medea are more likely town than Murder.

↑ eyestott wrote:I'm still not sure how I feel about Boonskies, especially since Bulba cleared up the flavour stuff.
Egg also looks pretty scummy, especially with the compromise vote on me, seeing as he hasnt been scumreading me at all.

I can agree with this to an extent, thought I voted you due to a nullscum read.

Yonce:

↑ yoncé wrote:[eyestotts lynch] doesn't look viable.

↑ yoncé wrote:

↑ jesusbuddhavrishnathebest wrote:hey yonce are you voting eyesott?

Also, you're voting me.

↑ Murder of Crows wrote:

VOTE: eyesott

↑ yoncé wrote:

VOTE: eyesott

Pretty big contradiction here. Also, Yonce has never even mentioned me except for telling me not to vote her. When asked to vote me, Yonce says that she doesnt see it as viable, and that JBVTB is voting her. However, as soon as MoC votes me, she places a naked, still unexplained vote on me. She also misspells my name in the exact way that MoC did, which doesnt really indicate that the vote is thought out, or made after ISOing me.

Crows' vote on you was one. I was 2. I mentioned earlier how Regfan and Crows has the same number of votes on them, which was 2, and that I wasn't going to switch over to the Crows lynch when Regfan was a better and just as well-supported lynch. In any other case I'd have been willing to compromise on Crows but not when the two players who I think have the worst reads in the game were there.

Just checked, F-16 replaced GreyICE. That's a another null read that could be scum with the stances he's taken.

↑ yoncé wrote:

Edit: His most recent post was about the relation between us, though.

It mentioned MoC, but I didnt voice a scumread of him. I mean, MoC could be scum, he could be town. That doesnt change the fact that you naked voted me without so much as scumreading me, and in your previous two posts, you had said you wouldnt vote me.
What changed?

yoncé wrote:

↑ eyestott wrote:EBWOP: misspells my name in the exact way that both MoC and JBVTB did

Total coincidence of course. Or was it?

Or its bandwagoning.

P.Edit: Okay, why are you nullscum reading me?

↑ yoncé wrote:

↑ eyestott wrote:I'm still not sure how I feel about Boonskies, especially since Bulba cleared up the flavour stuff.
Egg also looks pretty scummy, especially with the compromise vote on me, seeing as he hasnt been scumreading me at all.

I can agree with this to an extent, thought I voted you due to a nullscum read.

Yonce:

↑ yoncé wrote:[eyestotts lynch] doesn't look viable.

↑ yoncé wrote:

↑ jesusbuddhavrishnathebest wrote:hey yonce are you voting eyesott?

Also, you're voting me.

↑ Murder of Crows wrote:

VOTE: eyesott

↑ yoncé wrote:

VOTE: eyesott

Pretty big contradiction here. Also, Yonce has never even mentioned me except for telling me not to vote her. When asked to vote me, Yonce says that she doesnt see it as viable, and that JBVTB is voting her. However, as soon as MoC votes me, she places a naked, still unexplained vote on me. She also misspells my name in the exact way that MoC did, which doesnt really indicate that the vote is thought out, or made after ISOing me.

Crows' vote on you was one. I was 2. I mentioned earlier how Regfan and Crows has the same number of votes on them, which was 2, and that I wasn't going to switch over to the Crows lynch when Regfan was a better and just as well-supported lynch. In any other case I'd have been willing to compromise on Crows but not when the two players who I think have the worst reads in the game were there.

Still, youve hardly given me any notice. In your list, you just said "who?" for me. Thats not a nullscum. Where have you said that you have a nullscum on me?

↑ F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:

↑ Murder of Crows wrote:It was detailed and thorough and came after weeks of too little too late, and fortunately I had scum isos and interactions to analyze.

This game is mush by comparison. It's a lot closer to Red Wine day 1. But neither Serum and Steel nor Red Wine ended a game day with me in lynch jeopardy.

None of my games on MS that I can recall are like my play in this one. Regardless of alignment.

Someone who hasn't meta'd me to within an inch of my life could miss some of the key differences.

I didn't think you would.

Which is a big hunk of why I reacted the way I did to your posts 1365 and 1366.

1366 in particular pinged. I look forward to watching from the dead thread as you try to paint yonce as scummy in spite of my flip when your case on her currently is that her interactions with me look like scum-scum.

I went through Red Wine again and your end of day posts felt nothing similar. You seemed to have an odd kind of happiness that your reads will be "golden" upon your townflip. This actually reminded me a of this newbie game where you had a slow start and once attention started turning your way, talked your way out of it by posting a lot of analysis. It also reminded me slightly of BBMolla's There is no Doctor game where once I started suspected you, Nacho talked me out of it and you posted that long analysis of Bulbazak. I'm assuming Nacho suggested you do it in order to make me read you as town/manipulating me into not wanting to lynch someone who's putting in that much effort to investigate something I wanted to investigate w.r.t Bulba's meta.

I wasn't comparing this game to end of day 1 Red Wine. I was comparing it to my paralysis in the face of a rising wagon. The words you pointed up there were bravado in the face of an expectation I'd be lynched. I talked about golden reads, but I didn't get around to heavy analysis until much later in the game. My wagon on day 1 of that game mostly dissipated because scum-Tammy took that post you're commenting on and called it out as a townpost. At least that was how I felt about the way it played out. I dinged Cabd for not backing off until after she made the observation.

I wasn't talking about game events. I was talking about where my head was at.

I haven't posted a lot of analysis in this game, so I don't know what comparison you're drawing to the No Doctors game. Are you trying to tear down Nacho's defense of me here? Paint him as scum with me?

Because I think if you go back and look at how he defended me in the Harry Potter game when he replaced into my scum partner's slot, His defense there was substanceless and kinda trolly.

I was being facetious, obviously. Of course it wasn't a coincidence and of course it was bandwagoning, I thought we had less than 7 hours to lynch. I decided to post the exact same way Crows did for shits and giggles since it seemed like so many people were scumreading us as a pair. I think you're the only one to actually notice it though so oh well.

↑ eyestott wrote:Will catchup as soon as I can.

↑ eyestott wrote:Holy crap. So many posts in my sleep. I'll catch up when I can.

↑ eyestott wrote:I will. It's hard to keep up when 100 or so posts are made in my absence.

↑ eyestott wrote:Hey guys, I'm really struggling to keep up at the moment. You have no reason to believe me, but I am actually busy. I have my graduation ceremony today, but after that, I'm free from school. My only commitments should be my 4 mafia games. I'll try to catch up in time for EOD, though.

↑ eyestott wrote:

↑ jesusbuddhavrishnathebest wrote:You're getting lynched, claim.

VOTE: JBVTB. Rolefishing much? I saw the Most recent Vc. You're the only one voting me.
Also, I've already pretty much revealed my role. If you're that interested in finding what my role is, read up.

↑ eyestott wrote:PS, I'm just about to leave now. I just saw that and checked up.

As to why I've been nullscumreading you recently.

Null for the inactivity.

Slightly scum for the quick defense when absolutely needed and 1496 being like you're almost trying to cover that up. It doesn't feel like a town thing to defend your inactivity like that, like you're scum trying to cover up a contradiction before it's pointed out.

Also what Nacho suggested in that game was that I do research and see if I agreed with your take on Bulba's voting/stance behavior. He expected the research would make you less suspicious (so did I), but I put the amount of effort into it that I did because I actually did want to see if the games I'd played with town/scum bulba fit your finding.

iirc, they fit his play in ny165 and the donner party open pretty well.

I am going to fucking flip a table if people keep partner hunting my interactions with such crap reasoning.

I'm looking at you, Yonce. If you're scum, then you fucking know that we're not scum together and all that shit is going to evaporate or get repurposed when I flip. If you're town, then ffs your logic is JUST AS BAD as the logic you've complained about.