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Post Post #1600 (ISO) » Sat Jun 07, 2008 2:16 am

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Mirth wrote:BM, question for you: (since what I find most scummy about you is TSQ obsession with Jmar and your obsession with either me or Kitty sacrificing ourselves): Why should I not vote you? Why is Avalon more probably scum?
I dont really see the value in answering these questions any more. Unless we have got exceptionally lucky, and UA is the only scumbag left, either you have successfully fooled Elmo, or perhaps more likely, he has successfully fooled you. Theres no value in me campaigning for a UA lynch because even if he is scum, it doesnt achieve anything.

If I am lynched today, and we have 2 scum, the game is over.
If UA is lynched today and is scum, we are left with a situation tomorrow with me or Elmo being left to hang. The only reason i would even bother arguing this out if was there was a chance that you guys would be open to the possibility of lynching EACH OTHER. Am i wrong, or is that clearly not the case?

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Post Post #1601 (ISO) » Sat Jun 07, 2008 4:01 am

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I would not consider voting for Kitty, no, but I'm curious why you are convinced Elmo is scum with Avalon and why you've given up your push on Avalon.

As you can tell I'm having a hard time deciding whether one or both of you is scum.
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Post Post #1602 (ISO) » Sat Jun 07, 2008 4:42 am

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Mirth wrote:I would not consider voting for Kitty, no, but I'm curious why you are convinced Elmo is scum with Avalon and why you've given up your push on Avalon.

As you can tell I'm having a hard time deciding whether one or both of you is scum.
Its not so much i'm convinced that Elmo is scum. Its that, if UA is the only scum, the game is won. No problem. But my concern is that by lynching me OR UA today, Elmo-scum has an easy victory. I recognise that my stance is wholly reflective of a UA-BM scumpair, but i actually dont care. The fact is, I'm not scum, and lynching me marks town-defeat.
I dont believe i was ever really pushing UA. Of course he is scum, but at this stage, thats irrelevant, because the odds of him being the ONLY scum are very slim.

I'll vote UA on the grounds that Elmo is lynched tomorrow. And i want a promise from both claimed masons on that.

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Post Post #1603 (ISO) » Sat Jun 07, 2008 4:52 am

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I will not promise that Elmo will be the lynch tomorrow because I dont know how many scum there are. I also don't know for a fact that you're not scum. And if there are 2 scum then one of us claimed masons isnt making it to tomorrow. So before I vote I'd like to get a better feel for it. You before were pushing an Avalon lynch so that we wouldn't lynch you.

Now then, if Kitty and I really were scum we would have just piled our votes on with Elmos and ended right now. (Both she and I have posted since then and were we scum we would have no reason to wait, since both of us have been against you for quite a while) So I think you can be conclusively sure that we are not scum.
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Post Post #1604 (ISO) » Sun Jun 08, 2008 1:52 am

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I dont really know what else to say. this is a really awkward situation to be in- the majority concluding i am scum by process of elimination, but knowing i am town, and that one of those pushing my lynch is actually scum themselves. If you genuinely arent sure about me being scum, i dont know why UA is still alive, when i recall one of you making a comment which made it quite clear that you werent worried about whether he was replaced or not.

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Post Post #1605 (ISO) » Sun Jun 08, 2008 2:22 am

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That would be me. I was trying to figure out what would happen if we didn't lynch Avalon and he was scum. Best case scenerio, if mod randomized, would be a 1/3 chance that Kitty and I both survived the night and would have automatic majority. I see you failed to comment on that last bit where I said that we could have ended this game already if we were scum. What do you think of that?

As for process of elimination, I haven't concluded anything yet. But why do you think Elmo is scum. You keep mentioning Elmo but not Avalon.
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Post Post #1606 (ISO) » Sun Jun 08, 2008 12:20 pm

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Battle Mage wrote:Unless we have got exceptionally lucky, and UA is the only scumbag left, either you have successfully fooled Elmo, or perhaps more likely, he has successfully fooled you.
Battle Mage wrote:I recognise that my stance is wholly reflective of a UA-BM scumpair, but i actually dont care.
No kidding. This is a nice segue from "We really need to lynch a mason today!" into "Hey, you shouldn't lynch me because.. I know I'm town! And it's
possible
that Elmo isn't, from my point of view! Also, UA's now probably scum, for reasons unknown, even though I've totally ignored him since I've replaced in, trying to get a now-confirmed mason lynched instead!"
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Post Post #1607 (ISO) » Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:50 pm

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Mirth wrote:That would be me. I was trying to figure out what would happen if we didn't lynch Avalon and he was scum. Best case scenerio, if mod randomized, would be a 1/3 chance that Kitty and I both survived the night and would have automatic majority. I see you failed to comment on that last bit where I said that we could have ended this game already if we were scum. What do you think of that?

As for process of elimination, I haven't concluded anything yet. But why do you think Elmo is scum. You keep mentioning Elmo but not Avalon.
What sort of comment do you want? Is it really necessary for me to point out that whilst you may have a point, any argument to that end is naturally weak, as theoretically, you and Kitty could still be scum and Elmo-town, but not want to commit yourself to a quicklynch. The fact im not attacking you speaks volumes-on the fact that you havent cast rash votes, and that there isnt alot of point when Elmo has made his stance so apparent.

Again, what should i be saying about Avalon!? HE ISN'T HERE. HE'S LIKE A CORPSE HANGING OVER THE WELL. All it takes is 1 quick slash of the ropes, and he's dead. I'm trying to do something that might actually be useful. Process of elimination about sums up why i want Elmo dead.

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Post Post #1608 (ISO) » Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:52 pm

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Elmo wrote:
Battle Mage wrote:Unless we have got exceptionally lucky, and UA is the only scumbag left, either you have successfully fooled Elmo, or perhaps more likely, he has successfully fooled you.
Battle Mage wrote:I recognise that my stance is wholly reflective of a UA-BM scumpair, but i actually dont care.
No kidding. This is a nice segue from "We really need to lynch a mason today!" into "Hey, you shouldn't lynch me because.. I know I'm town! And it's
possible
that Elmo isn't, from my point of view! Also, UA's now probably scum, for reasons unknown, even though I've totally ignored him since I've replaced in, trying to get a now-confirmed mason lynched instead!"
segue?
Anyway i find it interesting that whilst Mirth seems to think i attacked UA when i first replaced in, you beg to differ. What do the masons make of that? :roll:

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Post Post #1609 (ISO) » Mon Jun 09, 2008 2:31 am

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Battle Mage wrote:theoretically, you and Kitty could still be scum and Elmo-town, but not want to commit yourself to a quicklynch. The fact im not attacking you speaks volumes-on the fact that you havent cast rash votes, and that there isnt alot of point when Elmo has made his stance so apparent.
Um, no. Theoretically, if Kitty-scum and I could have ended this game already, we would have. There is no reason for nonscum to not just pile on you and end it.
BM wrote:Again, what should i be saying about Avalon!? HE ISN'T HERE. HE'S LIKE A CORPSE HANGING OVER THE WELL. All it takes is 1 quick slash of the ropes, and he's dead. I'm trying to do something that might actually be useful. Process of elimination about sums up why i want Elmo dead.
No it doesn't. just because Avalon isnt here doesnt mean that he can't be scum. Why are you ignoing this?

Kitty, I'm thinking I'm going to vote BM. Tell me if you feel like hammering. If we're wrong, well...lets just hope we're not wrong...
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Post Post #1610 (ISO) » Mon Jun 09, 2008 6:11 pm

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You "attacked" UA by saying he fit his scum meta without giving any details of what it was, then changed your mind with a somewhat fatuous reason (his neutral alignment elsewhere is not a basis for changing to a town read here!). That is to say, your single interaction with UA is consistent with fairly poor distancing, and you've ignored him since then, preferring to attack the two almost-certainly-confirmed masons, then move towards trying to get
me
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Post Post #1611 (ISO) » Mon Jun 09, 2008 6:27 pm

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Elmo, I think we're certainly confirmed now. See again, would have hammered him already.
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Post Post #1612 (ISO) » Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:17 am

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Day Five Vote Count #3


Battle Mage – 1 – Elmo
Elmo – 1 – Battle Mage

With
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alive, it takes
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to lynch!

Not Voting – 3 – BooKitty, Mirth, Porochaz


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Post Post #1613 (ISO) » Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:49 am

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Yay ^_^

Thank you Porochaz!
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Post Post #1614 (ISO) » Thu Jun 12, 2008 11:30 am

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Ok I wouldnt celebrate just yet. Ive got to read over the 65 pages. Which will take a wee while...
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Post Post #1615 (ISO) » Fri Jun 13, 2008 6:23 am

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K ive fully read my other replaced game and 10 pages of this one... I think 25 pages in one go is enough for the moment... Im going to try and get through 25 pages a day and post on Sunday...
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Post Post #1616 (ISO) » Sat Jun 14, 2008 2:32 am

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I am waiting for Porochaz's insights after his reread.

I'm inclined to agree with Mirth about Battle Mage. I really don't like his weird fixation on Elmo and refusal even to look at Ultima Avalon (now Porochaz). It makes me think BM and UA are scumbuddies (bussing not being an option at this point, really).

I could be wrong, but I'm convinced that Elmo is town, and I know Mirth and I are. So I suspect it doesn't matter which one of UA and BM we lynch.

I'd still like some input from Porochaz before I place my vote.

(Apologies if this is disjointed, I'm still on some pretty serious pain meds, and my thought process is not as clear as it might be. Thanks for your patience.)
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Post Post #1617 (ISO) » Sat Jun 14, 2008 3:02 am

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you're convinced Elmo is town...but you could be wrong? Gee, theres confidence i'm happy to die for. I suspect a good start would be getting Porochaz to claim, before he has read the whole game.

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Post Post #1618 (ISO) » Sat Jun 14, 2008 3:26 am

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It's always possible I could be wrong. I don't think so. And your votehopping, your accusations of Elmo without ever voting him, your persistence in trying to get people lynched whom I KNOW are town... these aren't points in your favour, BM.

I agree with your last point, though. Porochaz, please claim.
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Post Post #1619 (ISO) » Sat Jun 14, 2008 3:29 am

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Battle Mage wrote:If I am lynched today, and we have 2 scum, the game is over.
If UA is lynched today and is scum, we are left with a situation tomorrow with me or Elmo being left to hang. The only reason i would even bother arguing this out if was there was a chance that you guys would be open to the possibility of lynching EACH OTHER. Am i wrong, or is that clearly not the case?
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Post Post #1620 (ISO) » Sat Jun 14, 2008 4:33 am

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Yes, I am willing to wait on Porochaz. But Porochaz, I ask you to claim your role right now. (BM has a bit of a point here).

Kitty, I hope your arm is doing better.

And, btw, we have once again demonstrated that we are not scum.
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Post Post #1621 (ISO) » Sat Jun 14, 2008 4:55 am

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I would rather wait till Ive read the whole thread I hope you dont mind then I can see the reasons why I need to claim rather than do it straight off.
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Post Post #1622 (ISO) » Sat Jun 14, 2008 5:13 am

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No, I would mind. I would prefer if you claimed right now.

Recap on claims so far:

Kitty and I claimed confirmed innocent masons.
Elmo and BM both claimed vanilla.

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Post Post #1623 (ISO) » Sat Jun 14, 2008 5:13 am

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http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... &start=725

*sigh*

I think this is cause enough to kill him.

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Post Post #1624 (ISO) » Sat Jun 14, 2008 5:15 am

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Battle Mage wrote:http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... &start=725

*sigh*

I think this is cause enough to kill him.

Unvote, Vote: Porochaz


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