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like if you're going to wind up trying to get me to vote DDL instead of texcat then be explicit about it instead of throwing vague shade

In post 1598, Menalque wrote:I really don’t like that we went for a lucky slot yesterday and it flipped town and despite that you wanna follow the exact same strategy again today @GL

in fact

this is one of my weird kinda reachy linguistic/semantic thoughts that people usually disagree with but I find it odd you say "we" went for a lurky slot yesterday when you were fighting against the Creature wagon constantly and strongly distanced yourself from that lynch. When I'm town and people lynch against my wishes, I don't tend to think that "we" did that, my thought is "you all" did that. I feel if you're game-solving and invested in the outcome of each lynch, you'd be less likely to say that the Creature slot was one that "we" went for when you were specifically championing against that lynch and didn't push for it.

but it might be just a meaningless thing in that you're simply describing the entire game as "we" and weren't thinking about ownership of lynches, so I'm mostly posting this because I want to save/remember it in my ISO for postgame to see if it indicated scum alignment, more interested in your response to 1599

Yikes at that high noon game

In post 787, texcat wrote:As I said when I voted him, I didn't like post 38 where he voted Datisi for pointing out that there were 3 scum. I originally thought this was just a RVS vote, but GL spent some time defending it as a serious vote. So it wasn't the actual vote that looked scummy to me, it was the way he continued to defend it as serious.

I think Amrun is town mostly based on the wagons. If GL were to flip town at some point, I'd definitely revisit Amrun.

DDL is pretty well stuck in the null column for me. I think he voted me at some point, so just my omgus instinct would move him over to slightly scummy. He's made more posts than I have, but has said less.

In post 790, Amrun wrote:Ugh, don’t like texcat’s stance on me - if GL is indeed town, feels like lining up mislynches.

I forgot how much I hated this series of texcat posts.

I just re-read the entirety of d1 hoping for new clarity.

I didn’t really get it, but it still wasn’t a total waste of time.

My scumread on texcat really firmed up.

DDL slot seems worse on review; his progression on me didn’t seem very natural. I forgot he came into the game townreading me. I believe he inned for me and remembers my old glory days, but he may well have rolled scum here. It’s still relatively weaker than some other reads because it would have been easier to try and pocket me as scum in this way.

I feel better about Ico’s slot. The play is erratic but doesn’t seem scum motivated.

My townread on S_S slightly weakened; I felt minmeldy at post 1039, but 1052 feels a little bit like a perspective slip if Ico ever flips town. My townread on AF got a little murky but I don’t want to revisit that for now.

Pret’s professed scumreads: Datisi, texcat
Pret’s professed townreads: GL, Amrun, S_S (weak)

This would be more helpful if we could be sure this wasn’t a townvig, but Sal literally called for town to vig Pret upon creature townflip so... sigh.

Sal’s reads are all ochem the place. I feel like the slots most likely to be threatened by him are: Iconeum, Datisi, and S_S. S_S he specifically said to be wary of on a Creature townflip. Other lesser threats would be DogWatch, DDL, and GL, though he changed stances there several times.

bruh if you really think this is my scum game after you just played with scum me in Nomination mafia then you're probably scum Menalque

also are we not lynching off the wagon now?

your reaction was massively over defensive and I don’t really see why town!you would be worried about it

You seem off as well in that you’re choosing to throw quite subtle shade at me instead of trying to work with me

You’re making a really weird semantics point while simultaneously saying that it’s not so much to influence the game as it is for you to look back at later despite that it’s obviously influencing the game by throwing shade at my slot

Your immediate reaction to being voted is also really defensive “how could you possibly be scum reading me” and again trying to throw shade at me which isn’t what I think you do with someone who I’m pretty sure you were townreading before

But mostly you’re trying to direct lynches onto the unproductive slots while trying to keep your distance from it by talking about how “I personally don’t have any good reason not to lynch them” which is super awkward phrasing that I don’t think is likely to come from town who I think would just say “I wanna lynch tex/DW for being lurksacks” rather than feeling such a need to justify it

It would also make sense from a gamestate point of view in that scum have probably been relatively happy with things and letting the game tick over rather than highly contesting it which makes me think the most likely slots that looked like they were lynchable today were all town (DW, tex, maybe ddl)

Lynching off wagon is still mechanically correct and I need to re-ISO you for D1 alongside everyone off wagon but haven’t gotten to it yet

Oh also makes sense with why I’m not dead after N1 bc I was TRing you

Although tbf i need to double check what sally thought too

In post 1608, Menalque wrote:your reaction was massively over defensive and I don’t really see why town!you would be worried about it

I'm worried about it because I'm trying to sort you and scum reading me as opposed to contributing anything else is pretty bad from you

In post 1608, Menalque wrote:You seem off as well in that you’re choosing to throw quite subtle shade at me instead of trying to work with me

If I may - "you started it!". What is 1598 if not "subtle shade", obviously I'm going to react to that. I've pitched a lot of thoughts on town!Aaron, town!Amrun, scum!Dog, scum!tex, ??!Datisi, and you respond to none of those and instead jump in with a shallow one liner about how you don't like my pushing. That's not me choosing not to work with you.

In post 1608, Menalque wrote:You’re making a really weird semantics point while simultaneously saying that it’s not so much to influence the game as it is for you to look back at later despite that it’s obviously influencing the game by throwing shade at my slot

I mean you're welcome to respond to it, if you feel it's an unfair point. I also pretty explicitly called you out with my 1599 which is my more immediate problem with your post.

In post 1608, Menalque wrote:Your immediate reaction to being voted is also really defensive “how could you possibly be scum reading me” and again trying to throw shade at me which isn’t what I think you do with someone who I’m pretty sure you were townreading before

The only people I'm solidly townreading are Ico, Aaron, alimdia, Smart, and at this point Amrun. I said that in my reads post. Everyone else I'm still trying to figure out, and you randomly one-liner shading me after doing nothing of consequence so far other than to argue to lynch off-wagon (but not WHO to Lynch off wagon) is hella bad and immediately kills any semblance of a townread on you. Contrast with how Datisi engaged with me.

In post 1608, Menalque wrote:But mostly you’re trying to direct lynches onto the unproductive slots while trying to keep your distance from it by talking about how “I personally don’t have any good reason not to lynch them” which is super awkward phrasing that I don’t think is likely to come from town who I think would just say “I wanna lynch tex/DW for being lurksacks” rather than feeling such a need to justify it

I mean I'd like to have reasons to lynch people besides from them just being lynchsacks. Why is that unlikely to come from town? I also think I was pretty clear that I was not distancing myself from tex or Dogwatch throughout today, this feels really disingenuous to condense everything I've said about either slot to that one line. I entered the day with a ton of points on Dogwatch that you completely ignored.

In post 1608, Menalque wrote:It would also make sense from a gamestate point of view in that scum have probably been relatively happy with things and letting the game tick over rather than highly contesting it which makes me think the most likely slots that looked like they were lynchable today were all town (DW, tex, maybe ddl)

I'm literally like the main person trying to do anything today. Maybe Amrun too. You can't possibly honestly think that the one, of all players, who is coasting here.

In post 1610, Menalque wrote:Oh also makes sense with why I’m not dead after N1 bc I was TRing you

Although tbf i need to double check what sally thought too

frankly you had no influence in the town EOD1 and I don't think scum feel threatened by you, especially if I'm your best scumread after 1600 posts.

In post 1605, Amrun wrote:1052 feels a little bit like a perspective slip if Ico ever flips town.

Huh

I wasn't even the one who compared Iconeum to TSE

In post 1597, GuiltyLion wrote:if we want to lynch off wagon then texcat is my current choice. I agree with Amrun's assessment in 1589

like this is me literally trying to work with you, and instead you shade me, and then say the one not working with you?

Also how can you mindmeld with a naked read

Timing, ig

Menalque your GL case is primarily projecting what you expect a townie ought to think onto him.

like, I actually think my point about Menal just seeing me as scum in Nomination Mafia is really strong here. I'm not over defensive as scum, I worry so much about being perceived as over-defensive that instead I act super chill and cool with my own lynch all the time. I was playing Nomination accounting for my own Lynch to contribute to POE solves.

Whereas as town I'm far more picky about people scumreading/voting me and I dive headfirst into battles all the time, which I avoided as much as possible in Nomination, other than 1v1ing with pisskop a little bit. Me reacting to being shaded in a one-liner is not scum!indicative from me at all, especially given Menal's direct and immediate experience with how I play as both scum and town.

In post 1588, Amrun wrote:I feel like one scum flip would crack this game wide open.

Depends very much on who it is

In post 1052, Something_Smart wrote:

In post 1047, Iconeum wrote:EXCUSE ME?

TSE was just generally awful in Perfect Masquerade and got force-replaced, and Salamence just compared your play here to their (town) play there.

Which was unwarranted because a townie flying off the handle and getting tunnely like you did here

is not the same as crossing lines and getting ejected from the game.

@S_S: I know you weren’t. The bolded is what pinged me.

In post 1615, Something_Smart wrote:Also how can you mindmeld with a naked read

Timing, ig

Huh? How is this a valid question?

It’s exactly what I was thinking at exactly that point. There wasn’t really scum motivation for saying it, just as there wasn’t scum motivation in Iconeum’s random bout against Salamence20. ??????

Yeah that's why I said timing, I kinda answered my own question.

In post 1620, Amrun wrote:@S_S: I know you weren’t. The bolded is what pinged me.

Go on... what makes scum-S_S decide to imply that Iconeum is town?

Smart can also vouch from Team Mafia (probably my most tryhard scum game in the past year or so) that when I am heavily considered to be likely scum by town I still don't get defensive the way I do when I'm pushed or shaded as town. It's actually probably a flaw in my scum game that I need to address next time I roll scum tbh