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How long do we go round in the wifom circle of

Babysitter claim could be scum

If scum, babysitter remains alive
If babysitter claim lives, scum want us to lynch

In post 1601, profii wrote:How long do we go round in the wifom circle of

Babysitter claim could be scum

If scum, babysitter remains alive
If babysitter claim lives, scum want us to lynch

So are you saying you believe the pr claims or not?

In post 1588, bob3141 wrote:

In post 1586, Adorable wrote:bob is not looking good for me and he was one of those players who was off the chemist wagon.

#496 - bob says if tictac is scum his gut is telling him scum is bussing and tictac had 4 votes at the time. Scum are supposed to work as a team getting town lynched and not vote each other on day 1.
#641/646 - bob votes davesaz for gut feeling. I don't like gut feeling reads because it can sometimes be an easy way for scum to give out their reads.
#819 - bob says he was fine with the chemist wagon saying it's a decent chance of flipping scum but instead he votes davesaz and said on day 1 he wants to lynch the scum that don't want to bus.
#1483 - bob says he was thinking Gamma was scum at the start of day 2 but he never mentioned Gamma on day 2 when I read through his posts.

VOTE: bob

And why do you think scum wouldnt bus chemist?
Why do you think me thinking scum would bus chemist is scum indicative?

If you think scum would merge ther votes together why do you think my votes day oen are scum indicative? By your own admission i didnt do what you claim to have thought scum would do. Why do you think as scum i would push against chemist counter wagon and not as you say "work as a team"

What do you think is scum indicative about me being ok with chemist being lynched. And why do you think rather supporting dave push on alort instead push dave with no one. And push against his lynch. Instead pushing him as to why he doesnt want chemist even though he scum reads him? You say scum woudl work as team but why would i solo push a player and push hard against the counter wagon too chemist lynch. Ensuring it happens but getting no credit for it.



Why do you think adora that town wouldnt try and scum hunt during day one? Using all the time availabe to sort those pushing the goign wagons.

Are you sayign you think a townie would just sit on chemist and not do anything? Not try and find out who could be his two partners or if chemist was infact town what that could mean.

adora do you like misrepping. Are you saying i had no interaction with gamma day two and that is why you scum read me?




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Your vote feels very omgusy. I call you out on you turning on hair pin when it comes to the town pr. With you even suggesting cake or gamma role would compete with the likes of watcher or babysitter.

I iso Klick's vote count when tictac's wagon started and they had 4 votes at the time. Why would scum hop on an early wagon on a scum buddy like that when they could have voted elsewhere trying to lynch town on day 1? Gamma was the first voter and I iso him in previous day phase but it turned out his vote was an rvs vote. You thinking scum would early bus looked like scum who wanted to throw shade on the players who voted tictac/chemist. Your vote on davesaz was gut feeling and then you say you wanted to lynch the scum that don't want to bus. So who are the scum that don't want to bus? You said you were okay with Chemist lynch but you voted davesaz instead. Voting a player who is the counter wagon is really suspicious and this makes me think you wanted to avoid the counter wagon to avoid being scum read. Town does sit on a scum wagon and I have seen them do nothing about it and town does need to vote who they suspect. You say why doesn't town find out who could be the two partners or think if Chemist was town. Town doesn't learn anything when a lynch doesn't go through. You said you were thinking Gamma was scum on day 2 and I couldn't find your read on Gamma.

In post 1599, bob3141 wrote:

In post 1597, Adorable wrote:

In post 1583, bob3141 wrote:

In post 1579, Adorable wrote:Normally a mini normal has 4 pr and I think once in a while there will be 5 pr but normally it's 4. I listed the pr claims we have seen and heard and there are 6. Three pr are dead and three are alive. Figuring out which pr is scum will be tough.

Neighborizer Enabler
Rolecop
Ascetic
Babysitter
Neighborizer
Watcher

The fact you woudl seven suggest 6 town pr leaves me thinking you are trying to force a 1v1v1 between them today.

As at teh most one can be scum. Thus at least one scum must be else where.

And if watch and babysitter are town then scum has to risk killing one at night. Why would anyone want to lynch there while we still have one mislycnh to spare.


VOTE: Adorable

Reading this again I saw this suspicious bob votes me for wanting to lynch in the pr claim when all I said was figuring out which pr is scum will be tough and I originally had them as a town read from previous day phase and it was Gamma I was scum reading. profii was the one who wanted to lynch in the pr claim and Morning Tweet expressed suspicion on the pr claims but instead bob votes me.

You also repeat your instantance that there is scum in the pr claims.

Why are you so sure there is one scum in pr claims. You have not said


Why do you think town doesnt scum read you?

Dont you think your vote is bit omgusy. Infact you coundnt get more omgusy. oh king of omgus. holder of the sceptre om and chalice of gus.

Neighborizer Enabler
Rolecop
Ascetic
Babysitter
Watcher
Neighborizer

I have not played many mini normals and is this setup common for all these roles to be town or is it not common?

In post 1593, bob3141 wrote:

In post 1591, Morning Tweet wrote:

@Bob

Why are you so confident that scum will target a PR claim? If there's scum in Wake/Lucky, i wouldn't expect scum to hit a PR claim

Additionally, if all PR claims are town, scum still might not target them as a WIFOM tactic

What im sayng is that i infact think scum have not targeted the town pr to be able to WIFOM push them.

Tweet what do you think of town pr balance if either the watcher is scum or

lucky is scum with another pr.

Your role if town is just to weak to plug any of those holes.

neighbourizer with an enabler is in effect similar to a 2-3 shot neighbourizer.

enabler is use to nerf town roles.

I agree that the setup looks off if the watcher is scum. If Lucky is scum, i think the setup is still possible since watcher can perform a pseudo protective role. What do you mean by the bolded?

In post 1575, profii wrote:

In post 1572, Morning Tweet wrote:Also @profii, Do you still feel the same way you did in 1536? I.e. suspecting Wake but also worried that scum is intentionally letting you attack Wake

2nd post. Surely we are lynching a PR claim today. Need to think which one

are you still entertaining Wake being scum? This post makes me think you find all PR claims are equally likely candidates

In post 1579, Adorable wrote:Normally a mini normal has 4 pr and I think once in a while there will be 5 pr but normally it's 4. I listed the pr claims we have seen and heard and there are 6. Three pr are dead and three are alive. Figuring out which pr is scum will be tough.

Same goes to you. Are you entertaining all PR claims being scum equally?

@tweet what i meant was that for lucky to be scum he has to be scum lying about his role. As scum wouldnt have babysitter in this setup and he is confirmed visiting role

I haven't been that active lately. School & work.

Has Lucky posted anything yet? No one attempted to kill our supposed doctor N3. My gut's telling me that's a lie. What does everyone else make of this?

If one of lucky or wake is scum

Then that means 2 full pr and gated pr (1/2) vs 1/4 scum pr and min 1/4 scum pr.

So thats 2.5 v 0.5

Which is under powered

now neighbour is weak role that is also gated by enabler. So could be concidered to be even bigger hole in town power.


Thus lucky and dave must be town

and gamma role works as negative to town power too.

weakens rolecop, watcher, bayby sitter and neigbourizer. So 4 town roles that it waste in given night. Compare to a one shot scum role and what ever other role they or dont have

now with a tweet scum.

Thats 3 full town pr vs 1/4 scum role and gated scum pr

thats 3 v 3/4 or 1/2

And even counting teh base role of neighbourizer as weak role thats gated. Its still atleast 1/4

so thats a small hoel for town power


usual balance is 3.5 v 0.5

(stong pr 1.5 )
medium 1
weak 0.5

In case your wondering how im counting pr in my guestimation

the scum jailkeep was there to give false clear for teh rolecop. Seen it before with 2shot jailkeeper and a tracker/rolecop

scum doc vs tracker/follower

So rolecop could be concidered to be slighly weaker as scum have the ability to get a believable fake claim

Also in balance it was prob intented for scum to ahve some ability for the scum jailkeeper to 1v1 the babysitter


jailkeep was informed. we dont know what he was informed off though

In post 1599, bob3141 wrote:

In post 1597, Adorable wrote:

In post 1583, bob3141 wrote:

In post 1579, Adorable wrote:Normally a mini normal has 4 pr and I think once in a while there will be 5 pr but normally it's 4. I listed the pr claims we have seen and heard and there are 6. Three pr are dead and three are alive. Figuring out which pr is scum will be tough.

Neighborizer Enabler
Rolecop
Ascetic
Babysitter
Neighborizer
Watcher

The fact you woudl seven suggest 6 town pr leaves me thinking you are trying to force a 1v1v1 between them today.

As at teh most one can be scum. Thus at least one scum must be else where.

And if watch and babysitter are town then scum has to risk killing one at night. Why would anyone want to lynch there while we still have one mislycnh to spare.


VOTE: Adorable

Reading this again I saw this suspicious bob votes me for wanting to lynch in the pr claim when all I said was figuring out which pr is scum will be tough and I originally had them as a town read from previous day phase and it was Gamma I was scum reading. profii was the one who wanted to lynch in the pr claim and Morning Tweet expressed suspicion on the pr claims but instead bob votes me.

You also repeat your instantance that there is scum in the pr claims.

Why are you so sure there is one scum in pr claims. You have not said


Why do you think town doesnt scum read you?

Dont you think your vote is bit omgusy. Infact you coundnt get more omgusy. oh king of omgus. holder of the sceptre om and chalice of gus.

Adora stop being selective in what you answer

In post 1590, bob3141 wrote:profi and adora why do you two think chemist was informed and what do you think he was informed of?

@adora

In post 1603, Adorable wrote:

In post 1588, bob3141 wrote:

In post 1586, Adorable wrote:bob is not looking good for me and he was one of those players who was off the chemist wagon.

#496 - bob says if tictac is scum his gut is telling him scum is bussing and tictac had 4 votes at the time. Scum are supposed to work as a team getting town lynched and not vote each other on day 1.
#641/646 - bob votes davesaz for gut feeling. I don't like gut feeling reads because it can sometimes be an easy way for scum to give out their reads.
#819 - bob says he was fine with the chemist wagon saying it's a decent chance of flipping scum but instead he votes davesaz and said on day 1 he wants to lynch the scum that don't want to bus.
#1483 - bob says he was thinking Gamma was scum at the start of day 2 but he never mentioned Gamma on day 2 when I read through his posts.

VOTE: bob

And why do you think scum wouldnt bus chemist?
Why do you think me thinking scum would bus chemist is scum indicative?

If you think scum would merge their votes together why do you think my votes day oen are scum indicative? By your own admission i didnt do what you claim to have thought scum would do. Why do you think as scum i would push against chemist counter wagon and not as you say "work as a team"

What do you think is scum indicative about me being ok with chemist being lynched. And why do you think rather supporting dave push on alort instead push dave with no one. And push against his lynch. Instead pushing him as to why he doesnt want chemist even though he scum reads him? You say scum woudl work as team but why would i solo push a player and push hard against the counter wagon too chemist lynch. Ensuring it happens but getting no credit for it.



Why do you think adora that town wouldnt try and scum hunt during day one? Using all the time availabe to sort those pushing the goign wagons.

Are you sayign you think a townie would just sit on chemist and not do anything? Not try and find out who could be his two partners or if chemist was infact town what that could mean.

adora do you like misrepping. Are you saying i had no interaction with gamma day two and that is why you scum read me?




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Your vote feels very omgusy. I call you out on you turning on hair pin when it comes to the town pr. With you even suggesting cake or gamma role would compete with the likes of watcher or babysitter.

I iso Klick's vote count when tictac's wagon started and they had 4 votes at the time. Why would scum hop on an early wagon on a scum buddy like that when they could have voted elsewhere trying to lynch town on day 1? Gamma was the first voter and I iso him in previous day phase but it turned out his vote was an rvs vote. You thinking scum would early bus looked like scum who wanted to throw shade on the players who voted tictac/chemist. Your vote on davesaz was gut feeling and then you say you wanted to lynch the scum that don't want to bus. So who are the scum that don't want to bus? You said you were okay with Chemist lynch but you voted davesaz instead. Voting a player who is the counter wagon is really suspicious and this makes me think you wanted to avoid the counter wagon to avoid being scum read. Town does sit on a scum wagon and I have seen them do nothing about it and town does need to vote who they suspect. You say why doesn't town find out who could be the two partners or think if Chemist was town. Town doesn't learn anything when a lynch doesn't go through. You said you were thinking Gamma was scum on day 2 and I couldn't find your read on Gamma.

You havent answer my question in that posts. And your reply it self makes no sense. Just comes as you being heavily self couscous as it feels more liek your trying to push scum wasnt on tictac wagon in order to defend your self rather than genuinely scum reading me.

why do you think scum wouldnt bus chemist?
Why do you think me thinking scum would bus chemist is scum indicative? You have not said why you think i am scum. Are you saying town never ever thinks scum bussed. And that scum only ever say a wagon coudl have a busser on it?
In your experience of this site do you think scum rarely bus?


You have not answered why you think a scum me would be ok with the lynch yet not join it?
You have not said why i would do nothing to save chemist.

So your saying you wouldnt want to vote for the counter wagon if you were scum? So why would a scum you not then vote for chemist?



If you think scum would merge their votes together why do you think my votes day one are scum indicative?
First you say scum woudl wourk togather to get a town lynch and then you say i wouldnt push town lynch with scum partners. Which is it would i work as team or avoid chemist counter wagon. and if i avoided teh counter wagon or an attempt to make one. Why woudlnt i then simply buss chemist then? Why would i be on the wrong side of a scum lynch.

Do you think town or more likely to be on scum lynch or off it compared to scum?



Adora you say town does sit on a town wagon. What has that got to do with your scum read of me?
It feels more liek you are trying to push yourself as town by saying oh yes town does what i did. Rather than actualy trying to push a scum read. As you dont say why you think town wouldnt also be off it?

So are you saying that also wagon that dont end in a lynch should be ignored?
Very much looks liek your tryign to project your reasoning in bussing chemist onto me to try and push reachy read. As the action you are sayign mark me as scum are either inconsistent or NAI. With you not beign able to explain why you think it cant be town motivated.

Also adora why are you only know pushing a scum read on me after i voted for you.

Everything you have mentioned happened all teh way back in day one. So why would not push me as scum. Infact i think you have only mentioned me 2-3 in the first 3 days. And both of those are as hollow as you simpy saying you didnt like that i tried to sort dave. No mention that i pushed him as town day 2. After i quized him on why he woudl vote alort over chemist a player who flipped scum. Well before he claimed doc i was town reading him.

Why do you think alort that scum would push dave as scum day one and then push him as town after his answers. rather than still pushign him as scum?


Why do yoy think your slot under cat didnt try and sort me either?

In post 1608, bob3141 wrote:If one of lucky or wake is scum

Then that means 2 full pr and gated pr (1/2) vs 1/4 scum pr and min 1/4 scum pr.

So thats 2.5 v 0.5

Which is under powered

now neighbour is weak role that is also gated by enabler. So could be concidered to be even bigger hole in town power.


Thus lucky and dave must be town

Is your current position that both me and Lucky/Dave are Town?

I'll be checking here in 7 hours.

In post 1618, Wake1 wrote:

In post 1608, bob3141 wrote:If one of lucky or wake is scum

Then that means 2 full pr and gated pr (1/2) vs 1/4 scum pr and min 1/4 scum pr.

So thats 2.5 v 0.5

Which is under powered

now neighbour is weak role that is also gated by enabler. So could be concidered to be even bigger hole in town power.


Thus lucky and dave must be town

Is your current position that both me and Lucky/Dave are Town?

yep.

This game feels very much like one i was in bit ago. Was a town loss but that was largley due to town pr messing up.

tracker/follower
rolestopper
roleblocker
asthetic town
cop

vs

scum doc plus activated enabler
1 shot strongman

tracker/follower
rolestopper
roleblocker
ascetic town
cop

vs

scum doc plus activated Ascetic
1 shot strongman

this game we have

watcher
protective role
ascetic town
rolecop
enabled neighbourizer

va

1 shot jailkeeper informed
?
?

I'd hate to think it's you Bob, and Lucky/Dave.

If L/D slot flips Scum I'll be scrutinizing you more closely.