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In post 1589, springlullaby wrote:

In post 1587, Dunnstral wrote:

In post 1585, springlullaby wrote:I think there is a very high chance that scum simply doesn't have a nk.

Then why is the quiz leader bulletproof?

They are bp during the day.
I think scum gain kills with failed quiz.

@MOD could you clarify whether the chainleader is bulletproof during the day or the night please?

That would make no sense given that a least one chain leader is BP during that night/day. I wouldn't be surprised if the mod created a day vig or will be having a day vig ability as a prize at some point.

In post 1595, Dunnstral wrote:We can still lynch scum, even if one has gotten the chain further up the chain, though

What we need to avoid is having scum as the person who chooses who dies, to be honest - as beeboy said at the start of the game

Now that I mention that, why did that plan fall apart yesterday? It was supposed to be beeboy at the 2nd to last position on the chain

In post 1597, Dunnstral wrote:OK, I get what you're saying. Are you assuming that scum passes to each other?

There is nothing that stops scum from passing it to there buddies. That was why when things started in the begining (before there was an order to who would give the chain to whom) I was curious why some people picked players they did. SL's pick, ABR's pick, Mid's pick......ect. I think it was once it got to BB that on order was put in place, but don't quote me when that started.

I don't see for example ABR complying with anyone about whom he should pick.

In post 1600, farside22 wrote:That would make no sense given that a least one chain leader is BP during that night/day. I wouldn't be surprised if the mod created a day vig or will be having a day vig ability as a prize at some point.

Hmm, what? These two sentences aren't contradictory.

The BP serves as protection against potential maf kill.

The prerequisite conditions are :
- previous chain-leader is not scum
- the quiz team is selected correctly
- the quiz team decides correctly

A potential vig is, as far as I can tell, obtained via quiz.

The prerequisite conditions are :
- the selecting chain-leader is not scum
- the quiz team is selected correctly
- no tempering of the quiz via pr

What you are suggesting, if I understand correctly, is that NK/DK from mafia would be counterbalanced by vig.
BUT the conditions to obtain a vig are too hard to correctly accomplish against pre-existing NK/DK, so it does not balance out.

But if you consider that NK/DK are both obtained via the same mechanism for scum, or town, then it balances out perfectly.

*The BP serves as protection against potential maf kill or vig.

This kinda makes me suspicious of you again farside btw, because you are an experienced player, and you've run a fair amount of games, but we just don't seem to see eye to eye on this stuff.

In post 1601, springlullaby wrote:

In post 1600, farside22 wrote:That would make no sense given that a least one chain leader is BP during that night/day. I wouldn't be surprised if the mod created a day vig or will be having a day vig ability as a prize at some point.

Hmm, what? These two sentences aren't contradictory.

The BP serves as protection against potential maf kill.

The prerequisite conditions are :
- previous chain-leader is not scum
- the quiz team is selected correctly
- the quiz team decides correctly

A potential vig is, as far as I can tell, obtained via quiz.

The prerequisite conditions are :
- the selecting chain-leader is not scum
- the quiz team is selected correctly
- no tempering of the quiz via pr

What you are suggesting, if I understand correctly, is that NK/DK from mafia would be counterbalanced by vig.
BUT the conditions to obtain a vig are too hard to correctly accomplish against pre-existing NK/DK, so it does not balance out.

But if you consider that NK/DK are both obtained via the same mechanism for scum, or town, then it balances out perfectly.

Unwnd should definitely be on the quiz team, I don't see how that is debatable.
-If town this is good.
-If scum he'll be able to put a buddy on anyway.
And considering the chainleader was selected to lead town not be tested.


My biggest scumread is Albert. I don't see town asking for an entirely new group since then it'll just fail to a different scum. And overall his attitude about the game doesn't come off as natural.
Of the people on the quiz I scumread starbuck, but that read isn't really compatible with the Albert one.

In post 1601, springlullaby wrote:

In post 1600, farside22 wrote:That would make no sense given that a least one chain leader is BP during that night/day. I wouldn't be surprised if the mod created a day vig or will be having a day vig ability as a prize at some point.

Hmm, what? These two sentences aren't contradictory.

The BP serves as protection against potential maf kill.

The prerequisite conditions are :
- previous chain-leader is not scum
- the quiz team is selected correctly
- the quiz team decides correctly

A potential vig is, as far as I can tell, obtained via quiz.

The prerequisite conditions are :
- the selecting chain-leader is not scum
- the quiz team is selected correctly
- no tempering of the quiz via pr

What you are suggesting, if I understand correctly, is that NK/DK from mafia would be counterbalanced by vig.
BUT the conditions to obtain a vig are too hard to correctly accomplish against pre-existing NK/DK, so it does not balance out.

But if you consider that NK/DK are both obtained via the same mechanism for scum, or town, then it balances out perfectly.

In post 1589, springlullaby wrote:

In post 1587, Dunnstral wrote:

In post 1585, springlullaby wrote:I think there is a very high chance that scum simply doesn't have a nk.

Then why is the quiz leader bulletproof?

They are bp during the day.
I think scum gain kills with failed quiz.

@MOD could you clarify whether the chainleader is bulletproof during the day or the night please?

Lets got back to the orginal comment.
You stated you think scum only gain a kill if the it fails. First that is like a lot of inside info that no one in the right mind would ever think of. There are very few and far inbetween where scum does not have a kill.
Second why would the mod made a chain leader BP? You think they mod thinks the scum will always win in order to kill?
Please tell me how those thoughts make sense.

All I suggested about the vig was about why a player would need to be BP during the day. The only thing that makes sense is a day vig. If you have another reason why BP during the day makes sense, let me know.

In post 1502, MariaR wrote:

Apologizes if this wasn't clear, but I want to clarify how the 'Chainelader being bulletproof works.'
When someone becomes chainleader they are bulletproof for the night they become it

not

the night after.

So for example, if Mary became the chain leader after a vote on night 4 she would be bullet proof night 4 and day 5

. Not Day 5 and night 5.

The mod already clarified the BP day and night ability here.

In post 1506, beeboy wrote:We now have conflicting information.

Wolves were on the quiz team to fail it.
Wolves shot the person who we gave the vest to.

This is where I'm confused because we all confirmed that we PMed that we passed. So it wasn'r negligence. Maybe mafia just chose to no kill tonight?

In post 1509, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Wtf. You gave the chain to the scummiest player in the game? Are you purposely trying to throw the game?

Unwnd is probably town. And by giving it to Unwnd we gain more info than giving it to BeeBoy for example

In post 1512, unwnd wrote:

In post 1502, MariaR wrote:So for example, if Mary became the chain leader after a vote on night 4 she would be bullet proof night 4 and day 5. Not Day 5 and night 5.

So if you guys gave me the chain night 1 I'd be bulletproof that night

Lmao they really tried to shoot me

That wouldn't make sense though. The quiz failed so there was one scum in the quiz. They would've communicated who was going to be the bulletproof leader to the other scum and they would've chosen someone else to shoot.

My next concern is maybe they didn't understand that the leader is bulletproof the night they get it. Which means they shot at Unwnd and were hoping the chain would go back to their scum buddy Spring.

In post 1515, beeboy wrote:

In post 1508, Dunnstral wrote:

In post 1506, beeboy wrote:Wolves were on the quiz team to fail it.
Wolves shot the person who we gave the vest to.

And the person we gave the vest to was unwnd, so it doesn't make sense for him to be mafia who reversed the quiz (because it implies mafia shot at him)

Weird night results

My immediate reaction was "this is a bluff and unwnd is scum", issue with that is why do a bluff that can be seen through in literally half a second. Unless it's the double bait and they want us to think unwnd is scum bluffing??? Which makes me think role quackery because that's also a bad plan... :/

I agree, interesting result lol.

My post above was about to go in circles with this in mind

In post 1518, Dunnstral wrote:

In post 1513, Albert B. Rampage wrote:when you vote someone for chain leader, they become BP. Scum know this. They did NOT try to kill unwnd.

Unless there was no scum in the neighborhood but it failed because ____? Power roles

Is it really likely there's a PR that allows scum to fail a quiz without even having to be on it? That seems to overpowered to me because not only does it gain scum an advantage but it also causes a lot of town confusion and makes us believe someone on the quiz is scum.

I'm honestly gonna just go with scum is on the quiz

In post 1564, beeboy wrote:

In post 1550, beeboy wrote:Honestly I just want to make sure everyone actually submitted "Pass" before we move to the next step lmao.

^ This is serious I want people to verify they submitted pass to the mod.

I submitted pass

I'll finish catching up tonight

In post 1575, Dunnstral wrote:

In post 1574, Pink Ball wrote:

In post 1524, Albert B. Rampage wrote:i cant believe this terrible bullshit. We need to lynch midway, farside, starbuck. STARTING WITH STARBUCK

We start with midway

Midway wasn't a part of the failed quiz

Midwaybear is Confirmed Town.
Math and Beeboy are also close to that.

In post 1614, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:Midwaybear is Confirmed Town.

He's not, though..

In post 1615, Dunnstral wrote:

In post 1614, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:Midwaybear is Confirmed Town.

He's not, though..

In my eyes he is.

I’m also thinking your scum with Starbuck.

Your deduction is worse than your grammar ^

In post 1539, Dunnstral wrote:

In post 1534, unwnd wrote:I appreciate the concern but as someone apart of the fail quiz you should start telling me who you think is the most likely.

Farside looked towny IMO, changed my read there
People had a problem with Spring but I'm not convinced - I could use talking to on this from my pt mates
Starbuck was pushing Spring in a weird way IMO
Honestly, I think it's Raya if anyone. He's been playing it safe the whole time, there was a moment where I voted unwnd for the quiz and raya instantly hammered it in which caught me off guard. I think he may be playing a safe game here, emulating his last town game I was in - except I feel he had more analysis in that game

Just wanted to go back to this for a moment.
Did you read my thought on how spring reacted in the quiz pt with the nom?

@raya and spring: what are your thoughts on scum in the quiz pt?

As for morning results i assume one of 3 things.

Scum no killed.
There is a protective role in the game.
The quiz failed so they knew who was going to be the leader and if it was misunderstood that leans to spring scum because why kill unwnd other then to give power back to scum.

Everyone scumreads me. Therefore, give me the chain as I am most likely mislynch.

I rest my case.

also raya is scum

The more you demand the chain, the less I want you to get the chain, out of principle

In post 1618, farside22 wrote:

In post 1539, Dunnstral wrote:

In post 1534, unwnd wrote:I appreciate the concern but as someone apart of the fail quiz you should start telling me who you think is the most likely.

Farside looked towny IMO, changed my read there
People had a problem with Spring but I'm not convinced - I could use talking to on this from my pt mates
Starbuck was pushing Spring in a weird way IMO
Honestly, I think it's Raya if anyone. He's been playing it safe the whole time, there was a moment where I voted unwnd for the quiz and raya instantly hammered it in which caught me off guard. I think he may be playing a safe game here, emulating his last town game I was in - except I feel he had more analysis in that game

Just wanted to go back to this for a moment.
Did you read my thought on how spring reacted in the quiz pt with the nom?

Yeah... if we're thinking of the same posts in the pt, I read it. I'm not scumreading Spring for those posts

The thread opened on the overnight and I'm catching up.

First and foremost, I owe an apology to SirCakez for misreading him and the fact that we are TvT. Try not to get caught up on the little details of the way someone wrote a sentence, rather than the why behind the sentiment.

I submitted my pass on the quiz and voted for unwnd.

The chainleader votes in order were

spring --> beeboy
farside --> unwnd
Dunn --> unwnd
Raya -- > unwnd (HAMMER)
Me --> unwnd

In post 1516, unwnd wrote:OK I'm running on the logic the team officially doesnt fucking know what they're doing

The thought was the plan to give to beeboy was out in the open and, for me, I felt that giving it to beeboy, we wouldn't learn much. If we gave it to you, we could learn something, as well as protect a possible town PR.

In post 1526, unwnd wrote:ABR you can't sit here and say that part of what happened last phase was a bit of your fault? The moment we started haphazardly throwing the chain around is the moment me and cakez both got down to the bottom two. I'm not gonna chainsit but I need a few things before I pass it.

Oh, I hold him in much responsibility for the rush through of yesterday. Please take your time.

In post 1534, unwnd wrote:I appreciate the concern but as someone apart of the fail quiz you should start telling me who you think is the most likely.

Someone in spring, Dunn, or Raya

In post 1539, Dunnstral wrote:People had a problem with Spring but I'm not convinced - I could use talking to on this from my pt mates
Starbuck was pushing Spring in a weird way IMO

My issue with the Spring in the Quiz PT is that I had cracked a joke about how ABR and others' heads would spin if I was given chainleader and that it'd be entertaining. I didn't want chainleader and I still don't want it, FYI.

spring took that joke and went diving down a rabbit hole citing that she was trying to explore the angle, but at the end of the day, it was a joke. I was being flippant and farside knew I was being flippant and spring took it hella seriously like she was trying to build a case. On top of that, she tried to call me out for ad hominem when I was describing her actions and not angling things personally. It was weird and I'm still not understanding the motive.

In post 1540, Dunnstral wrote:

In post 1537, beeboy wrote:@Dunnstral what were the rewards for succeeding and failing the quiz?

Reward: Town gets a JoaT
Fail: Mafia gets a JoaT

It wasn't specified who specifically got it, or what the powers were. I pointed out that if the quiz passes, town also got a confirmed town player

+1

In post 1544, Albert B. Rampage wrote:spring is the worst leader of all time,

scum were chuckling at her incompetencr in the pt

.

Pass me the chain already we are wasting time

What's the bold about?

Dunn did you hammer me as chainleader before pass/fail? How did the vote exactly work in relation to pass/fail of the quiz? Because ABR does make a point that if scum was on the quiz they'd be shooting themselves in the foot for no reason
See above for votes, my fellow members can verify.

We had to PM our pass to the mod.

In post 1545, unwnd wrote:Dunn did you hammer me as chainleader before pass/fail? How did the vote exactly work in relation to pass/fail of the quiz? Because ABR does make a point that if scum was on the quiz they'd be shooting themselves in the foot for no reason

Fixed last quote.

See above for votes, my fellow members can verify.

We had to PM our pass to the mod.