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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 11:29 am
by Kismet
In post 1598, notscience wrote:I think “nacho clear if notmaf is scum” is literally the entire reason that it was done in the first place.
that strategy is less effective than normal due to the setup, imo.
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 11:38 am
by Nachomamma8
I'd like a chance to read through remaining pages before I get quickhammered please! There's a lot that happened; I want to process it.
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 11:41 am
by Nachomamma8
Also want to see petapan's developed reads outside of me, want a chance to sync up if possible. I've always wanted the chance to vibe with him as town and unfortunately this pre-death version of me tends to be the best version of town I can bring to the table.
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 11:46 am
by Nachomamma8
I don't think more people talking about me is productive - it is clear that I am dying at this point in time, we've had 65 pages centered around me, I think I deserve a peaceful death at this point.
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 11:47 am
by Kismet
i am still interested in what you have to say.
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 11:58 am
by Nachomamma8
I know. And I appreciate you for it.
I'll have time for another hyperposting session when I make it home in like 2 and a half hours.
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:30 pm
by petapan
i'm not going to have time for this tonight, i'm sorry
please don't let this get forced through before we get a chance to talk
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 3:58 pm
by Momrangal
I've already stated it.
If town gave you an opening to remove one of the strongest town players and defend one of your own, you wouldn't take it? Its low risk high reward unless someone spotted it
In post 1595, SirCakez wrote: In post 1592, Momrangal wrote: In post 1516, SirCakez wrote:and what if Nacho is scum, like many think?
what do you mean what has happened around NM?
Then my theory is wrong.
The theory can easily be tested through a NM flip but nobody wants to even think about it. Nacho!town would be a recipient of the chainsaw defense to save NM. Nacho!scum would never be a recipient. If NM flips scum, Nacho is conftown
why would we flip NM first when Nacho gives 10x info?
I don't think that is the case.
In post 1597, Kismet wrote: In post 1592, Momrangal wrote:The theory can easily be tested through a NM flip but nobody wants to even think about it
i'm just worried about the value proposition we get here if we're wrong. It's like the best gamestate possible for scum to flip town-nm on d1.
that said, his utter sandbagging, which i find more egregious than even usual, means we probably should flip him at some point
Do you think it's unlikely for town!cho to make the push to see reactions?
In post 1598, notscience wrote:He’s probably scum, yes.
I think “nacho clear if notmaf is scum” is literally the entire reason that it was done in the first place.
Who do you think would even draw that conclusion outside of me? You don't have a read on Nacho outside of this
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 4:04 pm
by Momrangal
In post 1495, Momrangal wrote:I think theres a chainsaw effect happening especially if Nacho rand town here, and it's an effect that happened under everyone else's noses that town got wrapped up in it. I think VFT was a major component in that and one of infinity/notsci
At the same time I don't know if noddy dogmatically pushes this hard if he doesn't actually beleive in his push. He sets himself up as being largely responsible for a Nacho!town elimination and last I remember he doesn't really have the gusto or balls to do that
Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 5:26 am
by Venus Fly Trap
Cakes why did you decide to trust us? it seemed like you were building up to a scumread on our slot earlier
- lilith
Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 5:40 am
by Venus Fly Trap
In post 1607, Momrangal wrote:I've already stated it.
If town gave you an opening to remove one of the strongest town players and defend one of your own, you wouldn't take it? Its low risk high reward unless someone spotted it
okay but which actual person pushing nacho’s wagon is the scum though. you keep spouting these theoretical statements and not actually saying a name
Momrangal wrote: In post 1495, Momrangal wrote:I think theres a chainsaw effect happening especially if Nacho rand town here, and it's an effect that happened under everyone else's noses that town got wrapped up in it. I think VFT was a major component in that and one of infinity/notsci
At the same time I don't know if noddy dogmatically pushes this hard if he doesn't actually beleive in his push. He sets himself up as being largely responsible for a Nacho!town elimination and last I remember he doesn't really have the gusto or balls to do that
is this supposed to be shading our slot for pushing nacho? you think that instead of letting our partner NM just die and get a town NK off, scum!skitter and I decided we were going to push a miselim on one of the more vocal slots and then refuse to back off for 60 pages? have you thought about how little traction this wagon has gotten? what scum motivation would we have to stay on this wagon and not try to elim one of the other slots you think is town
also you still haven’t provided any explanation for your scumpool
- lilith
Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 5:43 am
by Venus Fly Trap
In post 1609, Venus Fly Trap wrote:Cakes why did you decide to trust us? it seemed like you were building up to a scumread on our slot earlier
- lilith
also do you not trust bork? you didn’t mention him when you voted nacho
- lilith
Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 6:17 am
by SirCakez
In post 1609, Venus Fly Trap wrote:Cakes why did you decide to trust us? it seemed like you were building up to a scumread on our slot earlier
- lilith
My other townreads seem to think you are town in general and nothing has raised my eyebrows since early game
I have mentioned Bork is a strong TR a couple times
Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 6:18 am
by SirCakez
And if I'm right about the Nacho/mom/peta/dc scumblock you guys don't make sense in there at all
Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 7:51 am
by Disaster Cartel
x_x i’ve been super demotivated to play mafia lately, is there anything the thread at large wants my opinion on later? i can chew on it a bit while i work
- ydra
Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 7:53 am
by Infinity 324
Thoughts on momrangal?
Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 7:54 am
by notscience
and nacho
Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 7:59 am
by Disaster Cartel
i’ll read more over them later, in my heart i wanted nacho to be town however many pages ago
i don’t remember anything moms posted at all so i’m probably gonna come back with her being in the poe knowing me
- ydra
Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 8:01 am
by Disaster Cartel
though i will say i’ll find it ? if mom hasn’t posted about me/my head even if i haven’t been as active lately bc she clocked me as mafia pretty quick last time we played so she should have at least referenced that as a measuring point
maybe i just expect too much though but ^ is on my mind
- ydra
Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 11:41 am
by SirCakez
DC if you can't remember anything Mom has posted shouldn't that be a pretty strong indicator to you that she is scum?
Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 11:51 am
by Kismet
Not at all; and as I've said a couple times (
117,
1212) it's not something i'm really reading him either way on.
do you think it's something _only_ town!cho would do? otherwise i don't understand your inquiry
Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 12:04 pm
by Kismet
In post 1607, Momrangal wrote:If town gave you an opening to remove one of the strongest town players and defend one of your own, you wouldn't take it? Its low risk high reward unless someone spotted it
i am having trouble w/ this explanation because it presupposes that nacho is town and nm is scum and this is the explanation behind it given you allow for those things. This is generally the problem I have with chainsawing arguments: they are inherently circular and cannot be really given that much credence until others in the equation flip.
After thinking about it I think I see what you're saying at least with VFT, and I think if nacho were to be town and nm were to be scum (and only at that point) this might get me to reconsider VFT, as I think
17 is something that fits the description of what you're talking about.
Even so I'm not sure I could get to VFT-scum from just that.
(But Nacho-town is going to get me to reset in a big way anyway.)
noddy/infinity i don't really feel like engaged in the way you are describing.
Noddy didn't really go after nacho until nacho voted him
infinity posted
99 which I think is a reasonable take
Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 12:24 pm
by Kismet
I think we are reaching toward the denouement of day 1 where I go into fucking stupid paranoia land
I want the weirdness of peta/dc/nacho/vft to resolve itself.
VFT is mostly in that list due to Nacho interactions (that i may throw out if he flips scum) and also because i can't get anyone to express really a good read one way or the other and while that slot is 100% not for going anywhere near today (and in fact the hurt lillith stuff is contributing to my townread there) like there's a fuckton of people in this list w/ experience w that slot and I of all people have been its strongest defenders.
mom i could go either way on; her content isn't terrible there's just not much of it.
Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 12:27 pm
by Kismet
also i don't have a great reason to townread cakez at this point he was just kinda ok midgame. I'm not thrilled with the exact manner of hop on nacho but i can see town-him sheeping here i guess. meh.
Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 12:28 pm
by Kismet
legit probably like salsa at this point so there's that.