In post 1581, Bowser Jr. wrote:I will continue to only complain about Galron being alive until he is limmed. Notty might be a better sport than me but I refuse to consider or engage in anything else until he is gone.
The fact that so many players are jumping through hoops to justify keeping a 95% guilty player alive is embarrassing and reminds me why I don’t play mafia anymore.
~Spiffy
You know what Spiffeh? I'm tired of being talked down to by people.
I am a better mafia player than you point blank and I am advocating for this half measure plan. Because it's optimally correct and forces scum into the most interesting positions.
Because it forces people to take stances pro/con galron instead of it being a clean sweep
because it means we get to find scum interactions that aren't just hopeless bussing and death, if Galron is scum. And if he's town, we get utility.
There is NO GOOD REASON to be against the play that WISDOM and I BOTH AGREE ON.
That is 2 very good players who rarely agree, agreeing. That should tell you something.
If you're tired of people playing optimally and looking for cool angles, I don't know what to tell you, but don't pretend this is some kind of "people are playing mafia poorly."
Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 3:41 pm
by Lady Lambdadelta
In post 1596, Bowser Jr. wrote:LLD, please vote for Galron. If you fail to do so by the end of the Day phase, I will consider it a scum claim.
PEdit: @marci I am 95% sure Galron is scum based on all of the information provided today. I am not even close to like 50% sure about anyone else. Limming Galron here is a no brainer and the fact that getting votes on him is like pulling teeth is incredibly concerning and frustrating.
~Spiffy
Scumread me then motherfucker.
You're playing bully with ME. I fucking try to avoid this shit now a days, but let me remind you that I have NOT FUCKIGN FORGOTTEN HOW TO PLAY THREAD BULLY.
So calm the fuck down and talk to me, and treat me with some respect or we can see this game get really unfun really quick.
Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 3:42 pm
by Lady Lambdadelta
Because if there is one thing that is true about me? It's that I do not back down when people do this shit. It's a flaw of mine. I'm aware of it. I don't like it about myself.
some (semi-)recent samples of lurkscum Dunn
there could be others from games I didn't keep tabs on but it's hard to verify how his posting rate measures to each game without doing some fancy shit I lack the time for
-GE
I'm not lurking in the first 2 games, I'm town in the last game.
I can see that defense for CA but I call all the bullshit regarding True Love, your lover partner was probably the key reason you didn't get yeeted with extreme force that game.
-GE... AKA: BNUUY
Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 3:46 pm
by Lady Lambdadelta
If you wanna talk about why I'm doing this, Spiffeh, go right ahead.
But you cannot lead a Galron death overtop of me this way. It literally won't happen. If you want a Galron death, you're gonna need to talk with me and get me to relent on my position.
If Notsci thinks I'm scum, he and Spiffy are moving into my scum pile along with Pav and Dunn.
Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 3:51 pm
by Off The Hook
lol why is pav scum for you
-GE
Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 3:51 pm
by Lady Lambdadelta
In post 1608, Galron wrote:If Notsci thinks I'm scum, he and Spiffy are moving into my scum pile along with Pav and Dunn.
Okay, if you don't want to die I'm going to need you to stop making really bad posts like this.
Cause another post like this and I'll just kill you myself and be damned the optimal play. Bowser Jr. is town.
Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 3:53 pm
by Galron
Bowser is making a really bad call here. Why should I relent even under threat?
Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 3:53 pm
by Lady Lambdadelta
Like, Galron you need to understand something.
You're alive basically at my mercy right now. That means the moment you stop being useful, I'm murdering you.
Right now, you have role utility but also you have vote utility.
The minute you start making bad reads and suggesting you're gonna try and kill townies, you lose half your potential utility. Even if you're town and wrong, the needle starts to push too far past "is this worth it" when you do that.
So that's like, your warning.
Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 3:54 pm
by Bowser Jr.
A) cool beans
B) the only things from that game I remember was talking about ice cream, misplaying my role because I didn’t understand what Neapolitan did, and not killing hoopla when I knew I should have
C) it’s pretty obvious I’m disengaged
D) beetlejuice
Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 3:54 pm
by Lady Lambdadelta
In post 1611, Galron wrote:Bowser is making a really bad call here. Why should I relent even under threat?
Because making bad calls, looking suspicious or trying to kill someone are not scum indicators all the time.
And if they were, you'd be dead right now.
Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 3:54 pm
by DeasVail
In post 1599, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:That is 2 very good players who rarely agree, agreeing. That should tell you something.
He's been under radar this entire phase while I've been put to the fire after he defended Juliet all day yesterday
Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 3:55 pm
by Dunnstral
The problem LLD is that you acknowledge Galron is probably town but still want to eliminate me when I'm negative association with Galron. So you're playing for the 10% and not the 90%, and you don't seem to have a reason to be doing that or to think it's me.
I think Gamma's meta point backfired and he is arguing against himself.
You're alive basically at my mercy right now. That means the moment you stop being useful, I'm murdering you.
Right now, you have role utility but also you have vote utility.
The minute you start making bad reads and suggesting you're gonna try and kill townies, you lose half your potential utility. Even if you're town and wrong, the needle starts to push too far past "is this worth it" when you do that.
So that's like, your warning.
If you want to kill me, do it. But I'm not going to stop speaking my mind. I'm tired of this bullshit being pushed around in every game I play.
Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 3:56 pm
by Bowser Jr.
@LLD the bottom line is that Galron is a sure thing as far as I'm concerned and I would match rather lim the sure thing now than later? From the scumteam perspective Galron is already a dead man walking and I don't believe we'll get any worthwhile reactions from them if we keep him alive.
Limming him now means he isn't given another chance to steal from anyone and stifling Town power. Limming him now means scum is forced to perform the kill with someone else giving GL a shot at tracking another team member to the nightkill. If he somehow flips Town here, we at the very least have a fullclear on Skybird. All of these things I find far more advantageous than any potential decisions or manufactured reactions scum will make about a player who's basically already caught.
He's been under radar this entire phase while I've been put to the fire after he defended Juliet all day yesterday
lol are you scum with dunnstral?
I kinda felt like his number of interactions with you this phase has been possibly indicative of distancing
and pav is obvtown imo
-GE
Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 3:59 pm
by Lukewarm
In post 1580, Off The Hook wrote:it's hard to verify how his posting rate measures to each game without doing some fancy shit I lack the time for
I did fancy shit because why not?
Spoiler:
So, I ran all three games that you linked as well as every game that I can remember playing with Dunn through the spread sheet. Calculated Dunn's percentage of all posts made day 1 compared to how many players were in the game, then did conditional formatting to color his higher post rate games green. (because you are positing that lurk dunn = scum dunn) to then see if there is any corrolation.
The conditional formatting guessed incorrectly 4 times, got it right 1 time, and then it did not give a result on his middle of the road game.
If anything, this is wrong more then it is right, and lurk Dunn = town Dunn.
