Mini 2247: Mountain Dew Mafia (Game Over)

[ssbm_Kyouko]

nyeh!

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Not so fast Cabd

[Something_Smart]

Why are you so against people stating plainly where they are? I like don’t get this.

I mean people are free to do it, but I just don't think it will be very helpful.

Take my execution list for example. I took the playerlist and deleted myself, the IC, and my top scumread. (And you didn't even remark on that.) How much is that going to really help you?

[Critter]

It seems to me that your scumread on me appeared due to a misunderstanding. But the misunderstanding has been cleared up, and you still seem to scumread me. Why?

Because I scumread your lack of willingness to be protown and other posts. I don’t know what you mean by misunderstanding cleared up. You played word games to try to discredit my point and literally is used in hyperbolic sense a lot. I just don’t care to play the game scum wants since I doubt I make it past D4.

[Something_Smart]

You thought that my execution list was ordered by read and that I had put you near the bottom, but I hadn't because it's ordered by the playerlist in the OP.

[Towelie]

i am not bell heh

-bork

[Towelie]

I think if M&M was town we would have seen some more traction

i'll concede that this is possible, esp w/ m&m basically just not playing

-b

[Critter]

Why are you so against people stating plainly where they are? I like don’t get this.

I mean people are free to do it, but I just don't think it will be very helpful.

Take my execution list for example. I took the playerlist and deleted myself, the IC, and my top scumread. (And you didn't even remark on that.) How much is that going to really help you?

Because I notice small things heat of the moment and take a while to have the calculator machine that is my head go brrrrrr I would have noticed.

[Critter]

I think if M&M was town we would have seen some more traction

i'll concede that this is possible, esp w/ m&m basically just not playing

-b

Hence why they are in my would elim pile but I think they flip town.

[Something_Smart]

Because I scumread your lack of willingness to be protown and other posts.

I mean, what's protown is subjective, but I did the thing you wanted even though I felt it wasn't protown. That kinda feels like the opposite of this.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I disagree with the assessment of Math but why is he in your elimination pile if it appears you are recognizing this as his townplay?

Oh I misinterpreted. I never said that was his townplay? And besides I have you in my elimination pile and I townread you. It's because I recognize that my reads are often bad, and mafia is about teamwork which requires compromise.

So what do you think this indicates for Critter then? I did

assume

you were TRing him because of this post, because if that's what I thought was happening, I would TR him for it:

I mean like, you had a bunch of questionable ideas and then got confused why nobody was listening to you.

[Something_Smart]

My lim pool is, by order of preference:

Highly preferred: Critter
Would eliminate happily: M&M
Still happy with these, but they feel like compromise given the confidence I have in scum!Critter: EMMI/StrangeMatter

deadline compromise: MUSH, S_S, Gamma, VFT

For what it's worth, I feel this is a vastly preferable way of listing elim candidates. My point about nuance still holds-- ssbm and EMMI are both on my execution list, but I would argue against ssbm if at all possible whereas I wouldn't shed a single tear killing EMMI. The format you asked for deliberately ignores that, which is why I think it wouldn't be a great way to model how people actually feel.

But, I still did it, because I understand that sometimes people's methods are beyond my understanding but they still work.

[Critter]

Because I scumread your lack of willingness to be protown and other posts.

I mean, what's protown is subjective, but I did the thing you wanted even though I felt it wasn't protown. That kinda feels like the opposite of this.

You did so and did so badly because you know I am right and refusing further would have looked even worse. You have spent a shit ton of posts complaining about my ask versus just doing it and then going on your merry way. It’s like if I asked everyone to post the word algebra. You might not get it and it might not help you but it won’t harm town. You can try to paint getting reads as antitown but I doubt you succeed.

[Something_Smart]

So what do you think this indicates for Critter then? I did assume you were TRing him because of this post, because if that's what I thought was happening, I would TR him for it:

Huh, that's interesting. To me it seems clearly like something that can happen to town or scum. My main point with the post was just that hiding behind the alt was ineffective and it was responsible for some of his problems this game.

[Something_Smart]

You did so and did so badly because you know I am right and refusing further would have looked even worse. You have spent a shit ton of posts complaining about my ask versus just doing it and then going on your merry way.

I mean, that's fair, but it doesn't take a genius to realize that you're going to keep pressing me if I resist it. I knew you were going to, I'd know that as scum, it's not like I could seriously expect to get out of it if for some reason I wanted to.

Quite honestly, that's an egocentric thing to believe-- that I would be so afraid of YOU personally that I would go out of my way to disrupt your scumhunting methods.

[Critter]

You did so and did so badly because you know I am right and refusing further would have looked even worse. You have spent a shit ton of posts complaining about my ask versus just doing it and then going on your merry way.

I mean, that's fair, but it doesn't take a genius to realize that you're going to keep pressing me if I resist it. I knew you were going to, I'd know that as scum, it's not like I could seriously expect to get out of it if for some reason I wanted to.

Quite honestly, that's an egocentric thing to believe-- that I would be so afraid of YOU personally that I would go out of my way to disrupt your scumhunting methods.

It’s not about me personally. I really wish people would stop bringing ego and self centered in here. Resisting giving reads is scummy. It has nothing to do with me at all.

Ugh I have to go to work but this is ugly.

[Something_Smart]

I never resisted giving reads. My elimination list wasn't even based on my reads!

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Yeah reread it again because that post is very clear. I am noting my compromising. Not playing word semantics with you and Kyo.

I just went to your if not Kyo this. Extremely ungrammatical, but I gather that I'm now your second scumread behind Kyo. This seems to have been based on a misunderstanding. Do you retract it?
What do I think you are doing? I obviously don't know, you are either trying to advance town wincon or trying to advance scum wincon. Can you be more specific?
You have been trying to get reads to heatmap. Fair enough, that worked for you before, though I'm skeptical whether it will work here. I'm not sure how that's supposed to help LLD.
You are not tunneling Kyo, thank you, I appreciate it.
I have said several times that it's your town play. Also sounds like a misunderstanding. I had you as leantown a while ago but that's it.

LLD can use the lists to pick a read in her townread’s would elim pile.

So she can go say “Players A B C D are my townreads who do they agree can go”
Hmmm they all say “E can be elimmed, can they?”

It creates cohesion as well as acts as a barometer for reads

See this is the kind of mumbo jumbo you try to pull on town when you're scum. You try to direct in a mechanically pleasing way that makes sense on the surface but if you stop to think about it, it's more often than not going to be pro-scum to let an uninformed townie pick an execution from amongst 12 players when the ratio of town to scum is 3:1. The odds of hitting town only go up if your buddies have claimed or softed PRs (M&M, possibly Gamma), because it's unlikely that someone who has claimed or softed is going to be prevalent in the elimination piles that LLD would be parsing here. This is like when you directed ELO with "fake voting" in my Mini 2242 that just ended. On the surface it sounds nice, but really this just gives scum an IC to hide behind. There needs to be discussion.

If it comes down to it, sure, I'll probably sheep LLD if it's on one of my compromise slots if I can't get your or M&M, but we still have 3-4 days I believe. I caught DGB with less than that.

[Something_Smart]

I have shared pretty much every read I've formed this game, with the exception of one that I'm deliberately holding back so it doesn't affect people's interactions.

[Critter]

Yeah reread it again because that post is very clear. I am noting my compromising. Not playing word semantics with you and Kyo.

I just went to your if not Kyo this. Extremely ungrammatical, but I gather that I'm now your second scumread behind Kyo. This seems to have been based on a misunderstanding. Do you retract it?
What do I think you are doing? I obviously don't know, you are either trying to advance town wincon or trying to advance scum wincon. Can you be more specific?
You have been trying to get reads to heatmap. Fair enough, that worked for you before, though I'm skeptical whether it will work here. I'm not sure how that's supposed to help LLD.
You are not tunneling Kyo, thank you, I appreciate it.
I have said several times that it's your town play. Also sounds like a misunderstanding. I had you as leantown a while ago but that's it.

LLD can use the lists to pick a read in her townread’s would elim pile.

So she can go say “Players A B C D are my townreads who do they agree can go”
Hmmm they all say “E can be elimmed, can they?”

It creates cohesion as well as acts as a barometer for reads

See this is the kind of mumbo jumbo you try to pull on town when you're scum. You try to direct in a mechanically pleasing way that makes sense on the surface but if you stop to think about it, it's more often than not going to be pro-scum to let an uninformed townie pick an execution from amongst 12 players when the ratio of town to scum is 3:1. The odds of hitting town only go up if your buddies have claimed or softed PRs (M&M, possibly Gamma), because it's unlikely that someone who has claimed or softed is going to be prevalent in the elimination piles that LLD would be parsing here. This is like when you directed ELO with "fake voting" in my Mini 2242 that just ended. On the surface it sounds nice, but really this just gives scum an IC to hide behind. There needs to be discussion.

If it comes down to it, sure, I'll probably sheep LLD if it's on one of my compromise slots if I can't get your or M&M, but we still have 3-4 days I believe. I caught DGB with less than that.

The fake voting was and still is correct in multiplayer ELO.
I just played Townie.
If the same thing happened here which I hope not then I would do the same.

I don’t lie about mechanics as either alignment almost if ever.

Please stop with the meta you’re bad at it.

Stick to this game. What is scummy?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

i am not bell heh

-bork

oh my b

Spoiler:

hehe,

b

I haven't played with either of you though, I'm mostly thinking of your slot as Notscience and someone else because I played with another notsci hydra in Isekai (though I think I was mostly talking to good cop in that game). I'm not very good at differentiating Hydra heads

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I disagree with the assessment of Math but why is he in your elimination pile if it appears you are recognizing this as his townplay?

Oh I misinterpreted. I never said that was his townplay? And besides I have you in my elimination pile and I townread you. It's because I recognize that my reads are often bad, and mafia is about teamwork which requires compromise.

So what do you think this indicates for Critter then? I did

assume

you were TRing him because of this post, because if that's what I thought was happening, I would TR him for it:

I mean like, you had a bunch of questionable ideas and then got confused why nobody was listening to you.

So what do you think this indicates for Critter then? I did assume you were TRing him because of this post, because if that's what I thought was happening, I would TR him for it:

Huh, that's interesting. To me it seems clearly like something that can happen to town or scum. My main point with the post was just that hiding behind the alt was ineffective and it was responsible for some of his problems this game.

I mean the lower post in 1610. What do you think [the content of 1563] indicates for MathBlade: +town, NAI, or +scum? I am confused because if I had the thought you posted in 1563, I would think that is +town for Math, and I think

most

people would agree. I get you have some TRs in your elimination pile so my original question isn't as relevant anymore but I guess you're feeling slippery wrt your Critter takes and I'm trying to understand what you're trying to say about him.

[Something_Smart]

1563 is NAI imo. I don't see why it wouldn't be.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Hmm. I think most would attribute that to town!Math

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I'd been hesitating to make a post so close to the pagetop when the mod may be on to me