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[I do this in basically every post. I post one thing, move onto another thing, and then remember something I was going to add to the first thing and then edit it at the end so I stay on-subject. It surprises me how often I forget to paste it after cutting, I think that's what happened with the rest of my thil13 case earlier, too.]

lewarcher82 wrote:@thil: why arent you voting patb?

Are you suggesting that I OMGUS? In my latest list of who I figured were scum I didn't mention Pinky at all.

@kdub: Why Thil over PATB?

I thought I already explained. PatB's claim makes more sense from a town perspective.

I was shot at Night 2.

Anyways,

thil13 wrote:

lewarcher82 wrote:@thil: why arent you voting patb?

Are you suggesting that I OMGUS? In my latest list of who I figured were scum I didn't mention Pinky at all.

Oh look. Afraid of being accused of OMGUS for something that isn't even OMGUS.

Just because you're new doesn't mean you can't use your brain...

[Preview-Edit: If the above remark is taken as offensive, I'm sorry. I'm just getting kind of frustrated with this game.]

Kdub wrote:I thought I already explained. PatB's claim makes more sense from a town perspective.

Sensor claim > Cop claim?

Bunnylover wrote:

Kdub wrote:I thought I already explained. PatB's claim makes more sense from a town perspective.

Sensor claim > Cop claim?

I think he means: context of the sensor claim > context of the cop claim

thils claimed under a wagon, patb had no reasons to claim if he weren't sensor...

sorry for the double post:

@weirdalexv: caps and bold don't make arguments more compelling tha they are. I still smell shit in this 1 vs 1 stuff.

And kdub: I don't value reads over a blocked-cc in a mini, and of course not in an open. But in a large themed, the mechanics of which are unknown to me, sometimes I do, whenever the reads are strong enough.

I caps and bolded it because it's obvious. I haven't seen any special mechanics in this game so far and it wasn't forewarned that there would be any, so I believe that it would have to be 2 scum roleblockers, which seems a little bit pointless.

Bunnylover wrote:

Kdub wrote:I thought I already explained. PatB's claim makes more sense from a town perspective.

Sensor claim > Cop claim?

lew pretty much nailed it. PatB's claim and the timing of it makes much more sense from a town motivation.

lewarcher82 wrote:And kdub: I don't value reads over a blocked-cc in a mini, and of course not in an open. But in a large themed, the mechanics of which are unknown to me, sometimes I do, whenever the reads are strong enough.

What difference does the size of the game make, unless you are speculating the existence of two scum roleblockers (very rare)?

Kdub wrote:

Bunnylover wrote:

Kdub wrote:I thought I already explained. PatB's claim makes more sense from a town perspective.

Sensor claim > Cop claim?

lew pretty much nailed it. PatB's claim and the timing of it makes much more sense from a town motivation.

lewarcher82 wrote:And kdub: I don't value reads over a blocked-cc in a mini, and of course not in an open. But in a large themed, the mechanics of which are unknown to me, sometimes I do, whenever the reads are strong enough.

What difference does the size of the game make, unless you are speculating the existence of two scum roleblockers (very rare)?

I am not saying I know the explanation... still, if I think about it, there are some ways a double block could occur. For instance a scum joat, or perhaps simply someone who returns a no report to cop: both generally unlikely, but liklier to happen in a large themed... look, I don't know, I just do not feel like thil or patb are scum... still, there is something that struck me funny in one sentence I have read:

patb, your answer to my question implies you think thil is scum but you are not voting him????

Pinky and the Brain wrote:

GhostWriter wrote:I believe Lew is the scum RB.

He believes this because he allegedly tracked Lew to thil, which would of course mean thil is town. However:

GhostWriter wrote:I think that the best course of action is to lynch Thil

[...]

Thil has the best chance of flipping scum

After forcing a lewarcher claim, GW is very quick to decide that thil is actually scum.

After the claim of Thief for that role, I'm slightly more inclined to believe it. However, the way I see things is like this:
If you are town, Thil is scum. In this scenario, Thil being scum makes Lew town.
If you are scum, Thil is town. However, Thil being town doesn't automatically make Lew scum, though it does drastically increase his chances.
Since I am on the side of you being town, Lew is not scum. You flip scum, or Thil flips town, I'm going after Lew.

so if thil is scum, you believe I found the ball, if thil is town, you do not????

^I was wondering the same thing.

That makes no sense. If thil13 is town then wouldn't Lewarcher be town instead of scum, since Merlon actually DOES own a Crystal Ball?

If Thil is scum, I have no reason to see you as scum anymore. If Thil is town, I have reason to believe you're scum RB. Either way, you're not even remotely close to being on a list of lynches to carry out today.

Preview Edit: It would appear people cannot comprehend that I'd think that maybe, just maybe, scum-Lew could tell a lie and fake-claim.

but then you must think thil could have a ball and be scum? It is possible, of course, but in this case we have to assume the ball is somehow related to his role, don't we? What role can he have as scum involving such a a clue? A scum cop? Unlikely. A scum watcher? Perhaps, but then he would have made things easier by claiming watcher, not cop... I already said that the clue was not really conclusive, but it does sound town-cop-ish to me. And since I believe patb had no reason whatsoever to claim out of nowhere if he were scum, I cannot but stand by my position: I think they are both town.

we need more activity from esurio and tmh.

You've gone from using the ball as a reference to his character to using it as possible references to his role. Pretty sure it's one or the other.

yes, that is correct. Unfortunately, my role description is not clear about the kind of flavor I am able to collect. It may just point to the name of the chacacter. if it only refers to the name, it adds nothing to my townread of thil. If it refers to role, or role-related equipment, then it adds teh aformentioned arguments in support of a genuine claim.

You claimed flavor cop, not role cop. If mod told you flavor, it's a good assumption to make that it isn't role-related.

as I said, the PM is unclear. But if you look up the wiki definition, flavor is not necessarily unrelated to the role. Still, if you prefer, let us use your definition of role cop. Thil claimed Merlon. My clue could support this and Merlon is no villain. There are villains who have crystal balls. The only one I know after googling a little is Birdo. If thil was Birdo, he would have been absolutely brilliant in faking a Merlon claim and absolutely lucky that the clue I found was actually the ball. How could he even imagine that? Likelyhood: very low.

...unless, of course, you assume I am scum partner of thil. Which kinda contraddicts your axioms and your conclusions...

Mods tend to give fakeclaims a lot in theme games. Could help explain that.

of course. I am sure scum have fakeclaims. still, you are assuming a fakeclaim designed to neutralise my investigation... so not only I have a crappy power and it is one shot, but scum was also given fakeclaims that completely neutralize my ability?

I think we need more scum-flips to figure it out. Bottom line:I'm not willing to lynch a claimed-cop. I'm not willing to lynch an obvtown sensor. I don't think speculating about a crystal ball will get us anywhere. Is it a 1v1? Maybe. Do I trust that the sensor is accurate in the three scum? Yes. As such, lets flip from that pool, and when a role-blocker gets flipped, it'll be much easier to sort out the thil issues.
-Toast
Also, Andrius will be gone until July. Don't think it will effect the game too much, but you out to know.