how good is vonflare at laser tag [game over]

[Cobblerfone]

I didn't replace alisae btw

I agree alisae was town. I wanted to replace alisae even, btu they gave me someone else I forgot now

You replaced chamber. (I know because I'm keeping track in my preliminary reads list that I came up with to sanity-check my reads in this large game.)

@Maria: I don't want to have to reread the massive wall of text that is twilight. Can you explain your vote on Dunn? Dunn summed up his reason for voting you, which I don't find entirely compelling, but can you sum up yours?

[Cobblerfone]

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[Cobblerfone]

VOTE: Chickadee

For the VCAs.

Can you explain? I tried looking through her iso and couldn't quite find what you're talking about. Though I admit from that I did get the idea that she could possibly be scum that doesn't quite know where to push and so basically settles for anything.

[Chickadee]

VOTE: Chickadee

For the VCAs.

Can you explain? I tried looking through her iso and couldn't quite find what you're talking about. Though I admit from that I did get the idea that she could possibly be scum that doesn't quite know where to push and so basically settles for anything.

Scum would know exactly where to push though...

[Titus]

VOTE: Chickadee

For the VCAs.

Can you explain? I tried looking through her iso and couldn't quite find what you're talking about. Though I admit from that I did get the idea that she could possibly be scum that doesn't quite know where to push and so basically settles for anything.

I am voting Chickadee because I want to sort her to resolve the d1 wagons.

[Irrelephant11]

Why

Why didn't you kill me and remove me from this horrible game called mafia


Life is cruel and the mafia are all a bunch of assholes

This is a pretty terrible opener for the game day
1613 is a good post

sorry for not being here. i would say i was busy, which i was, but i also just kind of lost some of my confidence in Gamma town from elephant's posting, in spite of the fact that i've been pretty good at pegging him when he's being town Gamma before.

This is not a good post. It's actually pretty terrible - "Sorry I lynched town, it was elephant's fault"

Maria, remind me if you were right on Dunnstral in Purgatory?

Yup called him out and what did he do right after? Scumread me. What is he doing here? Scumreading me because he knows he can't pocket me.
He wants me to "rethink" about what? He didn't post anything there's nothing to go "maybe I was wrong" in the first place. lol

I was gonna ask you a question but it's already being asked: bold in the post below

I didn't replace alisae btw

I agree alisae was town. I wanted to replace alisae even, btu they gave me someone else I forgot now

You replaced chamber. (I know because I'm keeping track in my preliminary reads list that I came up with to sanity-check my reads in this large game.)

@Maria: I don't want to have to reread the massive wall of text that is twilight. Can you explain your vote on Dunn? Dunn summed up his reason for voting you, which I don't find entirely compelling, but can you sum up yours?

VOTE: Chickadee

For the VCAs.

Can you explain? I tried looking through her iso and couldn't quite find what you're talking about. Though I admit from that I did get the idea that she could possibly be scum that doesn't quite know where to push and so basically settles for anything.

I am voting Chickadee because I want to sort her to resolve the d1 wagons.

Tell me more about how you think this will work

In general I think re-reading D1 might be more helpful than trying to feel out the new gamestate - I think it's going to be very hard to gather reads with so many scum talking, unless they decide to bus. But they can't change last game day, and I doubt all the major wagons were on town
For now VOTE: Alchemist based on how his wagon seemed the hardest to build - for awhile I was thinking the RC slot was scum because of it, but regardless I think this vote makes sense

[Majiffy]

show me show me show me how to VCA
"the one that catches scum" she said

"The one that proves you're town", she said
Put her vote down in the thread

omg

"Show me how you do it,
And I promise that, I promise that,
I'll wagon scum with you
I'll wagon scum with you"

[Cobblerfone]

VOTE: Chickadee

For the VCAs.

Can you explain? I tried looking through her iso and couldn't quite find what you're talking about. Though I admit from that I did get the idea that she could possibly be scum that doesn't quite know where to push and so basically settles for anything.

I am voting Chickadee because I want to sort her to resolve the d1 wagons.

Ah. At first I thought you were voting her because she did VCA in a scummy way.

[Cobblerfone]

VOTE: Chickadee

For the VCAs.

Can you explain? I tried looking through her iso and couldn't quite find what you're talking about. Though I admit from that I did get the idea that she could possibly be scum that doesn't quite know where to push and so basically settles for anything.

Scum would know exactly where to push though...

Not necessarily in a natural and convincing way.

Agree with Irrelephant11 about Majiffy’s opening. Making me feel better about Irrelephant11 town - since initial cursory VCA made me lean scum.

[Chickadee]

I'm curious what made you lean scum. I've had irrelephant11 as town for a while now.

[Cobblerfone]

I'm curious what made you lean scum. I've had irrelephant11 as town for a while now.

It wasn’t too solid. Just initial gut. I’m not best at VCA but I figured it a decent place to start in a game this long. That and my suspicions of alch somewhat confused that initial gut. But since it was just gut based off a skill I’m not good at, I decided to let my read from actually reading the game decide my vote.

[Irrelephant11]

@cobbler what else did your vca teach you?

[Cobblerfone]

@cobbler what else did your vca teach you?

Nothing I can remember. I got more from actually reading the game.

[Irrelephant11]

@toranaga and whoever else was townreading alisae: why?

[Chara]

This is not a good post. It's actually pretty terrible - "Sorry I lynched town, it was elephant's fault"

i never voted Gamma, i still thought he was town. that post was me saying i wish i'd stuck to my guns.

[Irrelephant11]

Oh. Hm. Did you change your profile picture?
Oh yeah nvm you're a townread, you're fine. I do think it's more likely scum was on wagon than off...

[Chara]

i doubt all of the scum piled on Gamma. who did you think i was, though?

Alisae townread: i could probably say something a lot better about it, but e was just really town. it's harder to imagine scum Alisae posting like that. i did a quick reread but the lack of a visible agenda and the fact Alisae planned to replace out but still did some general hunting were also town.
note i'm disregarding the emotional aspect of e's play, since Alisae wouldn't fake that as scum and it would be NAI anyway.

[Chara]

VOTE: Dunnstral
reservations aside, every time i've ignored my townread on Maria it's been the wrong choice.

[Irrelephant11]

8 players voting for Gamma Emerald (Majiffy, Titus, Chickadee, Toranaga, Irrelephant11, PenguinPower, Invisibility, Dunnstral)
2 players voting for Chickadee (Cobblerfone, Not_Mafia)
2 players voting for Majiffy (MariaR, Gamma Emerald)
1 player voting for Alchemist21 (Lavos)
1 player voting for Cobblerfone (Alchemist21)

1 player not voting (Chara)

with 15 players alive, it takes 8 votes to lynch.

I actually think titus/chickadee/toranaga look the worst here, as the 2/3/4 slots on the wagon are important ones for building momentum on the mislynch wagon. though the whole wagon deserves scrutiny, though. Given scum shot on-wagon, I doubt all five scum are on wagon, but probably in the 3-4 range (I think I probably agree with whoever said Penguin was shot for being too widely townread)

I could see a scum!chickadee with a scum teammate or two sitting on her wagon for later potential bussing cred... But let me actually re-read, I guess.

pedit: I definitely didn't townread Pure Sadness and I'm sorta getting pocketing vibes from cobblerfone (like "look, I'm progressing on Irrelephant - but also I have no real work to show when I reference vca I did behind the scenes...") but like I said I definitely want gameplay from last game day to direct me here

[Chara]

was i not even voting yesterday? i thought i was. christ.

[Chara]

I could see a scum!chickadee with a scum teammate or two sitting on her wagon for later potential bussing cred... But let me actually re-read, I guess.

remind me why you think Chick is scum? you can quote it.

[Irrelephant11]

I don't remember my case last game day, but rn I think she's in a bad spot vca-wise, like I just said..?
RC was confident she was scum (and has more experience with her than I do), too. I'll get back to you on if I still feel this way after I re-read
gotta go afk for a bit though

[Chara]

VCA without scum flips isn't good VCA. and what would make Chick different from Majiffy in that regard?

[MariaR]

@Maria: I don't want to have to reread the massive wall of text that is twilight. Can you explain your vote on Dunn? Dunn summed up his reason for voting you, which I don't find entirely compelling, but can you sum up yours?

I have read Dunnstral incorrectly about 2 times as scum. He knows I can read him and read him well I have. He tried to dismiss that fact by saying I can't read him and uselessly shading me. So I brought up games to dismiss his point and after that he said "well you can't read scum me" after I brought up another game to prove that he tried to hide behind the fact that it was "mech" in the game so that doesn't count. His reason for calling me scum is that I only defended gamma after he got lynched. Not true if you check my iso I called Gamma obv town every single time. He's just calling me scum because he knows I won't back down from the read. He's brought up every reason to try and discredit me and my reasoning when quite simply he can't. Also doesn't help his first vote was the hammer of all things. Read Dunn's iso do you see any serious progression on that slot?
I can read Dunn I ask you trust in me and lynch him

[MariaR]

VOTE: Dunnstral
reservations aside, every time i've ignored my townread on Maria it's been the wrong choice.

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