In post 1300, mbaki wrote:First of all, this is a very personal attack (as is this whole post, such as with the constant use of bullying) and I don't appreciate it.
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In post 503, mbaki wrote:I have great disdain for your style of play
In post 503, mbaki wrote:I much prefer MU to this site, the quality of games is signficantly higher in my experience.
tell me why he got mad and is it actually justified
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 11:27 am
by Dannflor
In post 1469, Dannflor wrote:Scum just doesn't self vote, not experienced players. It never plays to their win condition unless it's a hammer. Rarely, town can self vote and it does play to their win condition.
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 11:28 am
by OkaPoka
when does town self voting play to their win condition
scum self votes to AtE
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 11:31 am
by Dannflor
In post 1104, mbaki wrote:prior to that Vorkuta crumb, I legitimately had no idea who was scum, I was wrong about one of my top townreads (it was sliding because rb can be read by engagement because he hates scum but still), and there are legitimately implicating things in rb's iso that people here are too new to not follow. I think the town wincon is followed by me getting lynched here, I'm not helping.
In post 1147, mbaki wrote:I voted myself because I had no confident reads (useless to town), I am not an important role (if I am a pr it is not something like a cop), and rb's posts to me looked the most like crumbing* (meaning I'd be a liability later on if we didn't hit scum) (*before Nero brought up Vorkuta essentially scum claiming). The fact I was not enjoying this game, combined with the fact I thought it actually might be optimal for town to get rid of me; my self-vote was not out of rage, hence the "Good luck town."
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 11:33 am
by OkaPoka
ok
so why self-vote and not let others vote u up instead? let it happen naturally
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 11:45 am
by Creature
In post 1633, OkaPoka wrote:i guess that rb might have been thinking diff but shouldn't it be standard for traitors to crumb?
In post 1568, Vorkuta wrote:Then why would rb breadcrumb scum if it goes against rb's wincon?
crumbing is important to traitor so scum knows who you are
otherwise might as well be playing with one less player on scum team, and setup probably not balanced around that
This isn't true though. Traitors can easily just be antitown and disregard their partners, and/or fake a guilty mid game to secure a mislynch when necessary.
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 11:51 am
by mbaki
In post 1628, OkaPoka wrote:even if u ignore rb crumbs, i still think there is enough reason to lynch mbaki
Tunnelling is not a reason.
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 11:53 am
by mbaki
In post 1637, OkaPoka wrote:when does town self voting play to their win condition
scum self votes to AtE
I already answered this. Dann also pointed out where my frustration grew from the start of the day.
In post 1633, OkaPoka wrote:i guess that rb might have been thinking diff but shouldn't it be standard for traitors to crumb?
No
Is the tally 4 people that have told Oka this now?
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 1:03 pm
by Nero Cain
@Dann
What I'm saying is that I feel a bit ignored. I'd argue that I've prob had the most impact on this game but you came in and talked about everyone else and then I and BEF were kinda "POE" scum. "Oh but Nero is townier than BEF." I'm townier than
EVERYONE
! If you wanna call BEF scum fine but he's not going to be the only scum in here so FMPOV it looks like you are pushing a LHF and then just leaving your options open to push wherever you want.
The paranoid part of me thinks that I'm going to be dead soon and you avoiding me feels like scum that knows they are going to shoot me so why risk getting into an argument with me?
Who else is scum besides BEF?
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 1:18 pm
by Nero Cain
like it just feels weird that you haven't ISO'd me yet.
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 1:37 pm
by mbaki
Dann is town Nero. His scum game is markedly less analytic than what we've already seen. Also, you could try and argue you're townier than me in this player list, but you definitely haven't impacted the game as much. Pissing contest aside though, town bloc with Dann and start sorting other slots.
In post 1633, OkaPoka wrote:i guess that rb might have been thinking diff but shouldn't it be standard for traitors to crumb?
No
Even considering the case where rb is not crumbing, you also have to rule out that scum is hunting for traitor crumbs which is exactly what vork seems like doing.
I think someone else asked me why else vork is scummy: vork shows up mainly to defend himself. his play added no value on day 1, cf some quotes by Nero, and today his reads (iirc) is basically omgus on everyone on his wagon.