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Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:48 am
by Severa
barring mechanical fake innos i have only been 'blindsided' by scum once in my entire mafia career and that was Postie in Slavic Music Mafia 2

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:49 am
by popsofctown
I found a way to combine 6 monster's skill in a way that goes infinite and can clear any Puzzles and Dragons dungeon of arbitrarily high difficulty without playing the puzzle game the game is based on at all, so like as the dungeon being attempted does not have any special mechanics (which is true of a few significant dungeons actually).
I made a video of this and got lots of reddit upvotes.
That's my own weird irrelevant flex submission, it spews Gamma scum ftr

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:49 am
by Severa
the closest to what you're saying would have been Pignash in the newbie but instead of what you're saying we're talking about someone who repeatedly lied about his rl circumstances to townspew himself

and even then i wasn't all that surprised that I was wrong

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:50 am
by popsofctown
EBWOP: So long as

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:51 am
by Severa
even having a single scum as a townread for a single point in the game is 'bad' enough, for me, that i will be called out for it at the end of the game.

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:54 am
by Salamence20
How confident are you right now of farkran town

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:56 am
by Evenstar
Salamence is just digging himself in deeper here IMO. Counterargument is bad, comically misses the point, emotion is fake. I particularly don't buy that the sudden "SHUT THE FUCK UP" snap
non-vote.
Distancing, and badly.

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:57 am
by Severa
I feel like you're using this entire line of questioning to try to corner me into taking a stance that you can use to discredit my pops push and I'm not keen on responding to it as a result.

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:59 am
by Evenstar
Last bit obviously fails if Pops town, but Pops suddenly going off on long tangents about random shit and obviously taking any excuse to interfere in an argument
in her own defense
looks godawful too. Severa can have her lynch here, and I won't even complain too hard if he gets it wrong.

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:00 am
by Salamence20
Im not a fan of buddying my scumbuddies

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:02 am
by Evenstar
Where did that "SHUT THE FUCK UP" come from, and where did it go? I'm not seeing the background stress and anger levels I would expect to provoke an outburst like that.

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:02 am
by Salamence20
Im not making it to endgame anyways so fuck if I care.

Carry on with the pops lynch. Or maybe come and get me instead.

But Im going to the grave as Farkran scum.

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:04 am
by Salamence20
In post 1635, Evenstar wrote:Where did that "SHUT THE FUCK UP" come from, and where did it go? I'm not seeing the background stress and anger levels I would expect to provoke an outburst like that.
Im trying to counterwagon and she keeps doing fucking random stuff.

Its obvious shes accepting that shes getting lynched today so she stopped giving a fuck.

Its hard to counterwagon someone like that when shes spewing random bullshit

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:05 am
by popsofctown
I'm enjoying myself much more than MG taking this attitude; I'd definitely do it again.
I'm aware Severa is never changing his mind and the wagon is never not sheeping so I'm not bothering with defensive stuff. It'd only hurt town. If you want to "not complain" it should be because Severa doesn't get this certain incorrectly that often; it shouldn't be because I'm skipping going through the motions on an exercise he's made pointless.

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:07 am
by Salamence20
Less than 24 hours ago people were bitching “everyone needs to stop blindly sheeping RC cause it hinders wagon analysis.”

Now I attempt to do that and its seen as distancing and scum with pops.

I knew this was going to happen if I hopped off the wagon and I accept it.

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:08 am
by Severa
I don't apologize at all for this misread if you're town and Kerset is scum btw

in all other situations I feel bad about it.

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:08 am
by popsofctown
I mean the counterwagon is pointless too.
Farkran's not SS tier scummy. Just medium scummy.

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:09 am
by popsofctown
Severa you don't ever have to feel bad for misreading me.

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:11 am
by Severa
i'm kinda just giving up on this game mentally

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:11 am
by Severa
i'm kinda just giving up on this game mentally

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:12 am
by Evenstar
In post 1638, popsofctown wrote:
I'm enjoying myself much more than MG taking this attitude; I'd definitely do it again.
I'm aware Severa is never changing his mind and the wagon is never not sheeping so I'm not bothering with defensive stuff. It'd only hurt town. If you want to "not complain" it should be because Severa doesn't get this certain incorrectly that often; it shouldn't be because I'm skipping going through the motions on an exercise he's made pointless.
In post 1637, Salamence20 wrote:
In post 1635, Evenstar wrote:Where did that "SHUT THE FUCK UP" come from, and where did it go? I'm not seeing the background stress and anger levels I would expect to provoke an outburst like that.
Im trying to counterwagon and she keeps doing fucking random stuff.

Its obvious shes accepting that shes getting lynched today so she stopped giving a fuck.

Its hard to counterwagon someone like that when shes spewing random bullshit
Interesting x-post, especilly given that Kerset was Severa's primary target earlier today, rather than Pops. Also interesting that Salamence prioritizes attacking Severa's case
for
Pops, rather than trying to convince her to actually play.

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:14 am
by Evenstar
In post 1641, popsofctown wrote:
I mean the counterwagon is pointless too.
Farkran's not SS tier scummy. Just medium scummy.
If you had a dayvig shot right now, who would you use it on?

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:16 am
by Evenstar
In post 1639, Salamence20 wrote:Less than 24 hours ago people were bitching “everyone needs to stop blindly sheeping RC cause it hinders wagon analysis.”

Now I attempt to do that and its seen as distancing and scum with pops.

I knew this was going to happen if I hopped off the wagon and I accept it.
So do you expect that Pops is scum or town?

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:19 am
by popsofctown
Would it make you happier if I played, Eva? You did mention that laziness makes you sad earlier.

I will play if it makes you happy.
I assure you it won't make a big difference, but I do like you. You gave me an award.

pedit: Hm. I think I would use it on Gamma. I don't think he would be the likeliest to flip scum, but I think he's the most dangerous as scum, because I'm worried about how consistent Severa reads people who have lunged at him. I think TL, Alchemist, Bitmap, and Farkran* are scummy but Severa and the town as a unit can course correct them more easily.

There's this whole theory discussion about using vigs based on consensus even when consensus is wrong because you conclude mislynches before they actually have to happen, I'm undecided about that and don't want to think about it.

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:22 am
by Salamence20
Look, Severa is good, theres no arguement there. However hes not perfect. Perfect masquerade is the only game I can really use myself as a reason for basis that RC is not perfect. Thats because its the only game I was in with him. He scumread me and tunneled so hard on me for scumreading his dance partner that it nearly self destructed the town.

I do think Pops right now has just accepted that shes getting lynched because RC has that much pull in the town. I think she would be fighting more as scum because doing this is against scumwincon. I dont fucking know. Ive been poweredlynched before to where its just deflating that no matter what you do they are going to call you scum regardless. That doesnt change the fact pops has been all over the place all game, avoiding a vote on TL despite being her big scumread today. But I do think Farkran is the better play because she cracked under pressure and even before the vote on Bitmap today, the metadive on Bitmap and her consistence that Im not scum is worrisome, its what led me to vote him instead of sheeping Severa on pops.