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In post 1548, unwnd wrote:Did that close the PT?

No.

It seemed like the mod went by the timer.

In post 1554, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Spring is absolutely terrible. Misled the entire town, selfishly, and shot town right in the nuts.

I'm pretty much at this point with spring, too.

In post 1555, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:I was looking at everything as a whole.
Starbuck has the highest chance to be scum then anyone else.
They have way too many scum pairings.

I really don't, but I realize my chance of being the mislynch today and I'm settled with it. At least we won't be losing a Town PR if I die.

In post 1564, beeboy wrote:

In post 1550, beeboy wrote:Honestly I just want to make sure everyone actually submitted "Pass" before we move to the next step lmao.

^ This is serious I want people to verify they submitted pass to the mod.

It's in my first post in this Day before I saw you ask for it, fyi.

In post 1581, Dunnstral wrote:I don't think ABR has a read progression on me that makes sense. On day 1 they call me scum for basically no reason at all that I can see, now when the quiz has failed (I was on the team) it's Farside/Starbuck instead?

Is everyone gaslighted by the fact that ABR was on me all of yesterday?

In post 1586, Dunnstral wrote:Now, I could be wrong - between You, Spring, and Starbuck, I think Starbuck was behaving oddly in the pt - it's like she was pushing spring in advance, knowing that the quiz would fail - though why scum would do that IDK.

I feel like you missed my back and forth with spring yesterday before we even got to the Quiz PT. spring has been frustrating the hell out of me.

In post 1587, Dunnstral wrote:

In post 1585, springlullaby wrote:I think there is a very high chance that scum simply doesn't have a nk.

Then why is the quiz leader bulletproof?

In post 1502, MariaR wrote:Apologizes if this wasn't clear, but I want to clarify how the 'Chainelader being bulletproof works.'
When someone becomes chainleader they are bulletproof for the night they become it not the night after.
So for example, if Mary became the chain leader after a vote on night 4 she would be bullet proof night 4

and day 5.

Not Day 5 and night 5.

Because there is the possibility for daykills.

In post 1609, Raya36 wrote:My next concern is maybe they didn't understand that the leader is bulletproof the night they get it. Which means they shot at Unwnd and were hoping the chain would go back to their scum buddy Spring.

This is a fantastic point for why folks wanted it to go to beeboy and why spring would have voted for beeboy.

In post 1614, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:

In post 1575, Dunnstral wrote:

In post 1574, Pink Ball wrote:

In post 1524, Albert B. Rampage wrote:i cant believe this terrible bullshit. We need to lynch midway, farside, starbuck. STARTING WITH STARBUCK

We start with midway

Midway wasn't a part of the failed quiz

Midwaybear is Confirmed Town.
Math and Beeboy are also close to that.

You can't just start calling folks confirmed when they aren't confirmed. It doesn't work that way.

If the theory is scum doesn't have a NK, then the JOAT gave them a kill (no reason to believe scum and town got the same JOAT).
Also scum hands down were able to tamper with the quiz.


pedit: I agree, I don't even think I am peek preforming bboy town this game.

In post 1621, Dunnstral wrote:The more you demand the chain, the less I want you to get the chain, out of principle

ABR is scum so giving it to him is a scum claim at this point.

In post 1622, Dunnstral wrote:

In post 1618, farside22 wrote:

In post 1539, Dunnstral wrote:

In post 1534, unwnd wrote:I appreciate the concern but as someone apart of the fail quiz you should start telling me who you think is the most likely.

Farside looked towny IMO, changed my read there
People had a problem with Spring but I'm not convinced - I could use talking to on this from my pt mates
Starbuck was pushing Spring in a weird way IMO
Honestly, I think it's Raya if anyone. He's been playing it safe the whole time, there was a moment where I voted unwnd for the quiz and raya instantly hammered it in which caught me off guard. I think he may be playing a safe game here, emulating his last town game I was in - except I feel he had more analysis in that game

Just wanted to go back to this for a moment.
Did you read my thought on how spring reacted in the quiz pt with the nom?

Yeah... if we're thinking of the same posts in the pt, I read it. I'm not scumreading Spring for those posts

Ok I wanted to see someone elses thoughts about it. I tend to tunnel and I could tell SB was scum reading spring as well.

In post 1627, beeboy wrote:If the theory is scum doesn't have a NK, then the JOAT gave them a kill (no reason to believe scum and town got the same JOAT).
Also scum hands down were able to tamper with the quiz.


pedit: I agree, I don't even think I am peek preforming bboy town this game.

By the way I asked a question. Did you confirm if unwnd's ability would work with your NU?

In post 1629, farside22 wrote:

In post 1627, beeboy wrote:If the theory is scum doesn't have a NK, then the JOAT gave them a kill (no reason to believe scum and town got the same JOAT).
Also scum hands down were able to tamper with the quiz.


pedit: I agree, I don't even think I am peek preforming bboy town this game.

By the way I asked a question. Did you confirm if unwnd's ability would work with your NU?

Sorry I missed the question.
Ya I confirmed it sometime yesterday when I was pressuring unwnd.

In post 1630, beeboy wrote:

In post 1629, farside22 wrote:

In post 1627, beeboy wrote:If the theory is scum doesn't have a NK, then the JOAT gave them a kill (no reason to believe scum and town got the same JOAT).
Also scum hands down were able to tamper with the quiz.


pedit: I agree, I don't even think I am peek preforming bboy town this game.

By the way I asked a question. Did you confirm if unwnd's ability would work with your NU?

Sorry I missed the question.
Ya I confirmed it sometime yesterday when I was pressuring unwnd.

I was thinking you two could work unwnd and be in the quiz and he can target you, but you have to be sure whom else goes into the quiz.
I didn't think about the ramifications of failing n1 and having 5 players you may not want to pick from.
I would say leave out of the quiz group TSE, Mid, Abr and I would approve anyone else then.

just something to think about in regards to the quiz group:

unwnd, beeboy, PB and NDMath.

I know Spring said she was scum reading PB but I don't think I saw anyone else with a read on ND???

I didn't realize how this game would be so incredibly boring as I literally have nothing to do during the day or not. I hate this setup and this game.

Day or night*

Unfortunate that mafia got a JOAT...

I wanted to say that ABR is the scummiest player, but his anger feels genuine and I agree that we definitely did not use the mechanics in our favor yesterday. I agree with ND that we should decide the quiz team passing the chain. ABR is still on my radar of suspicion though.
I also disagree with the Raya scumreads. I think a lot of people have been saying that she makes the "safe" reads which I don't exactly agree with. She was townreading Cakez before he became obv town, and I can't really see any necessarily "safe" reads.

In post 1611, Raya36 wrote:

In post 1518, Dunnstral wrote:

In post 1513, Albert B. Rampage wrote:when you vote someone for chain leader, they become BP. Scum know this. They did NOT try to kill unwnd.

Unless there was no scum in the neighborhood but it failed because ____? Power roles

Is it really likely there's a PR that allows scum to fail a quiz without even having to be on it? That seems to overpowered to me because not only does it gain scum an advantage but it also causes a lot of town confusion and makes us believe someone on the quiz is scum.

I'm honestly gonna just go with scum is on the quiz

I like this quote because some people(like Dunnstral and beeboy) were trying to suggest that scum were outside the quiz team. That's super unlikely, and suggesting that seems more scum motivated than town motivated.

@Pink Ball. Yesterday, you said that I was scum upon a SirCakez scum flip.
Also, we don't really know that beeboy is town, so I do not really support him on the quiz team. unwnd is safely conf town though.
I think the quiz team should be me, unwnd, farside, Raya

fine with NDMath too

Lets hurry up and give me the chain so 80% of the player list can shut up about lynching me today already. Losers.

and then i can spend all day doing nothing and all night doing nothing again.

In post 1637, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Lets hurry up and give me the chain so 80% of the player list can shut up about lynching me today already. Losers.

you realize this sounds really bad right?

In post 1635, midwaybear wrote:I think the quiz team should be me, unwnd, farside, Raya

This is a really bad team suggestion...

replace farside with ND then
im town, so are Raya and ND. unwnd is conf town

Why are we putting raya in the quiz after they were on the failed quiz team?

In post 1641, midwaybear wrote:im town, so are Raya and ND.

How did you reach these conclusions?

In post 1642, Dunnstral wrote:Why are we putting raya in the quiz after they were on the failed quiz team?

I have a TR on her, and the quiz failing doesn't exactly point to her being scum.
pedit: ND's posts seem natural and have good ideas(like choosing the team AFTER passing the chain), and I think he would be more "involved" as scum. I explained my TR on Raya and unwnd is conf town.

Sorry but I am going to continue to assume that scum potentially were off the quiz and play accordingly.

If scum decided to no kill in order to bluff them potentially not being on the quiz then congratulations they got me.
Otherwise I am going to assume a scum counter part to a role we have already seen is a lot more likely then scum being incapable of reading which seems to be the current theory.

Oh, I see why the no kill points to scum being off the quiz, but a role that could false guilty seems weird considering we already have unwnd's role.
My theory is that they either gambited(as there are many strong players in this game) or a town PR saved the kill(less likely).

Midway and raya are my new scumreads

Everyone else i mentioned before moved to scumlean

Cheetory once modded a game called paint mafia.
Town assumed without night actions the information couldn't be tampered with for the day 1 result and we had a confirmed result of someone being town.
Town lost that game because it was information that could be tampered with during the day as a 1-shot.

I don't see why we would assume that information is definitive when the reward for passing the quiz is so absurdly powerful (conf town + power role), it definitely feels like pass/fail takes priority over the information behind who is in the team from a game design point of view. Are you all just assuming MariaR, the list mod whose been dedicated to this game for years wouldn't realize the quiz creates conf town?

The thought process being it sure would be unreasonable if scum could tamper with this is incredibly wack to me. It makes perfect sense given town can tamper with scums ability to fail the quiz... :/