TM 2021 Large Normal 2: Wikipedia Integer Facts (Over)

[OkaPoka]

you really need to chill

i didn't want to get to bogged with you vs a50 because the gamestate was focused on lld/herc and you/a50 was a distraction

i don't really care about you vs a50 its not why im sus of a50. it felt like a stupid exchange and there isn't really much to read into it.

[Hopkirk]

hey it probably is - asgdh

its just currently as it stands my townreads are

hop, iv, xtoxm, ceph, ythan, and herc to an extent and i mean like idk im just following where the mass of my townreads are blehhhhhhh

4 of them are voting LLD and 1 of them was voting her

mastina is literally the only reason why i feel so weird about this but asdfasdf sometimes it do be like that

why ceph

get sadge dannflor because im doing the thing i do in most games where im just going to commit to a narrative and stick for a flip

i thought i evolved past it last game but here we are, back again, old habits die hard

what is LLD town flip gonna tell you?

That we should flip hercule next?

maybe mastina?

like it doesn't sound particularly like you believe it'll flip scum

you're probably not going to like my response but yes i think we flip hercule after.

why the fuck are you town reading ythan and not A50

You are townreading A50 and not Ythan? I think ythan is surprisingly townie with the few things he's done. maybe my bar is low because ythan trolled my ass last game but i thought his votes were pretty townie because they are utilitarian and drive the game forward. while a50 is bloaty and i don't know his place in the game. look i know a50 is weird but being weird doesn't give him a town check.

meh i feel like at the start hop was really proactive and townie and it just made sense for him to be townie. his 'incendiary' comments i think are... unfortunately townie because it probably signifies LLD can't be scum with hop and its a massive gamble for a guy like hop to do something that... incendiary. i actually liked his a50 takes as well but wanted to keep pressure on hercule so yeah. he's still capturing a lot of the mindmeld we had last game, and i've been keeping a lot of my thoughts hidden.

there was nothing incendiary about my posting and i don't like that you're trying to push that image of me

[OkaPoka]

i like ceph's posting and do you really want to argue this hop please stop

[OkaPoka]

maybe an analogy will help

you created a little spark next to a huge keg of dynamite

now look if the dynamite goes off, its the dynamite's fault to an extent for destroying everything but if you know the dynamite is going to go off - you really don't need to spark it

[Hopkirk]

Votes are going to go somewhere. I guess I'd recommend presenting a more attractive alternative.

i could try putting some lipstick and a wig on hopkirk?

[Hopkirk]

Spoiler: Notes

- #686 is a weird flip by WF. There's like... no content from the_worst to parse in the 20 or so posts between his change. This feels very very contrived.
- I want to murder A50, for no reason other than his spam quotes are going to make this take fucking hours longer than it should.
- #736 looks real bad for Hercule. 741 to 743 is gross. In 741, you're waiting on her to explain her scumread before you decide and you kinda wanna vote A50. In 743 you vote LLD for being in "have not said or done something towny." Feels jarring when contrasted to #736.
- It's the Hercule power hour for now, huh? #751 "I don't feel like it's that weird to be sus of me" really? Because you got uppity and snippy about people suspecting you and/or voting you like... 15 posts ago.
- #766 IV, wtf is this shit?
- Oh no, DGB. That stretch in #768 was too much.
- Ok IV is still town (#772)
- I straight up disagree with OkaPoka's #805. WF has not been bold? He's posted like three times? And he's waffled on a read on the_worst.
- 812 is a weird naked vote. The_worst wasn't a wagon burgeoning. Hope Ceph elaborates?
- Dann/Hercule exchange in the 800s - I agree with Dann, I find hercule infinitely scummier.
- I don't like jjh. #847 is just very middling and meh.
- Hercule #873:

I have devoted most of my attention this game outside of LLD

Press X for doubt.
- jjh #882. Yeah we just play different games or you're selectively misremembering here.
- Hercule #892 is very very typical scum bluster. "I want to talk about things but tell me what they are so I can concoct my read!"

- Whew boy WF absolutely

STINKS

this game.

- I was wrong.
- Hopkirk #1142 and #1144 sets off alarms for me. #1142 looks like he's specifically baiting to bring in toxicity, #1144 doubles down and Hopkirk just doesn't realize that he isn't funny and tries to use this to generate a point of contention.
- Hopkirk also trying to make callbacks to last game and that doesn't really hold water with me.
- 1187 is a hell of a fucking stretch by Hopkirk. Yeet this with fervor.
- Hercule has dipped out since pressure has seemingly dissipated on him. Makes you think.
- 1204, Hopkirk is really trying to kick up the toxicity dust. Wonder why.
- 1242 RE FUCKING TWEET.
- Same for 1424.
- 1480 is a whole damn mood.
- 1511: Oka, how do you not have a read on LLD?
- Oka was doing a reaction test type thing, k. Weird but k.

I am under no circumstances yeeting LLD today.

Preferred yeets {Hercule/Hopkirk}

Someone not named xtoxm please lay out a case on Dunnstral for me? Xtoxm's case has Auro all over it and a lot of meta so I'm not swayed.

this read on me has no nuance to it
how does this affect your read on LLD?
is scum hop trying to incite a partner, is scum hop trying to incite town with a wagon that he wasnts pushed, or is town hop making a joke that's 'inflammatory' - something you're just sheepint to attack me with
like not
i went back to look at the posts you quoted about me and your comments could be about anything. you aren't engaging with my content, you're picking out a few things i've said and agreeing with the anti-hop take in them. this feels like you're just trying to shade me

Because you would never post snark that doesnt contribute to the game

absolutely never. why the very idea!

[Hopkirk]

you really need to chill

i didn't want to get to bogged with you vs a50 because the gamestate was focused on lld/herc and you/a50 was a distraction

i don't really care about you vs a50 its not why im sus of a50. it felt like a stupid exchange and there isn't really much to read into it.

like... do you think that saying this is going to make me more chill?
w/e

i like ceph's posting and do you really want to argue this hop please stop

i kind of do because like four people here are attacking me because they're claiming it's inflammatory when it's blatantly not and some of them are clearly scum sheeping the shade on me
what about his posting

[Dannflor]

i kind of do because like four people here are attacking me because they're claiming it's inflammatory when it's blatantly not and some of them are clearly scum sheeping the shade on me

do you actually believe this

[AGar]

I just think you're unfunny and try and pass off scummy shit as "humor" and I think you were trying to nag and prod at the RC thing to see if you could derail a thread into a shitshow of toxicity about a player that isn't in the game. LLD made it explicitly clear how she feels about RC, and that subject had been dead and dropped until you found reason to bring it back up when nothing productive can come from it. I can find two reasons as to why you would do that, and I make a rule of assuming players aren't the stupidest fucking antitown actor that I've ever met.

[AGar]

Fuck I forgot to paste this in the other one.

winterflakes is not bold anymore yes
im sorry agar but your notes have absolutely no links pls at least give us clickies if you won't quote it ):

The post #s are mostly for me to be able to reference back to quickly if someone asks for fleshing out on a read. I know no one is gonna really dig through post #s but I'm also not going to spend the extra time formatting 30ish post tags for like one person to click them.

[Cephrir]

Someone not named xtoxm please lay out a case on Dunnstral for me?

just don't read part 2, he nicely separated it out for people who do or don't care about meta

i don't see what's wrong with auro having helped

[Hopkirk]

dann/ceph were both pushing hercule
then ceph jumped on A50s shitpush of me and Dann joined in with a naked vote that he later explained buried in an iso as basically 'i don't have as many townvibes as i want' which doesn't gel with the timing of the vote being with the A50/me conflict that he didn't comment on specifically
now they're both pushing Dunn with cases that came as basically the same time

both of their votes/pushes on me were the worst ones. oka/agar are in a similar state of their agreement with those pushes being bad

this feels like trying to save a partner

VOTE: LLD

[OkaPoka]

what about me and agar?

[AGar]

Someone not named xtoxm please lay out a case on Dunnstral for me?

just don't read part 2, he nicely separated it out for people who do or don't care about meta

i don't see what's wrong with auro having helped

Nothing "wrong" with it, but my limited experience is that Auro relies on meta first and then works backwards, so I think that the other half is tainted and isn't really going to sell me.

[Dannflor]

nah I voted you because I thought it would be interesting

also ceph cased dunn?

[Cephrir]

dann/ceph were both pushing hercule
then ceph jumped on A50s shitpush of me and Dann joined in with a naked vote that he later explained buried in an iso as basically 'i don't have as many townvibes as i want' which doesn't gel with the timing of the vote being with the A50/me conflict that he didn't comment on specifically
now they're both pushing Dunn with cases that came as basically the same time

both of their votes/pushes on me were the worst ones. oka/agar are in a similar state of their agreement with those pushes being bad

this feels like trying to save a partner

VOTE: LLD

no one else had a problem with the push on you, so this is me suggesting the way you're approaching the game is too self centered (and i think that's scummy)

[Hopkirk]

i kind of do because like four people here are attacking me because they're claiming it's inflammatory when it's blatantly not and some of them are clearly scum sheeping the shade on me

do you actually believe this

how is this even a question you're asking? you've played with me before. it was a joke paragraph and only meant to be taken as that. the amount of people attacking me for it is insane, and feels worse for people who should know my style

I just think you're unfunny and try and pass off scummy shit as "humor" and I think you were trying to nag and prod at the RC thing to see if you could derail a thread into a shitshow of toxicity about a player that isn't in the game. LLD made it explicitly clear how she feels about RC, and that subject had been dead and dropped until you found reason to bring it back up when nothing productive can come from it. I can find two reasons as to why you would do that, and

I make a rule of assuming players aren't the stupidest fucking antitown actor that I've ever met

.

given you responded seriously to my post last game where i was saying 'eating/sleeping/needing to use the bathroom etc' was scum indicative as though i was serious, i don't have a high opinion of your ability to recognize humor.
the subject was like a 1-2 post exchange. why do i look at that and know 'ah, posting this is going to make the thread explode lol'.

@bold - fuck this

[Hopkirk]

what about me and agar?

you're both backing the narrative of discrediting my image as a person, not just a slot.

like saying that 'hopkirk is either scum, or he's the kind of person who would intentionally try and piss people off to start shit' instead of 'hop is either scum or he made a joke in good faith that either went to far (i disagree it went far at all but that's a separate point that's not worth discussing)' is the four of you choosing to insult me as a person and really fucking pisses me off

nah I voted you because I thought it would be interesting

also ceph cased dunn?

huh maybe i'm not in a state to be reading right now. ceph didn't case dunn. i read your case and ceph's vote and thought ceph had posted some of what you had

dann/ceph were both pushing hercule
then ceph jumped on A50s shitpush of me and Dann joined in with a naked vote that he later explained buried in an iso as basically 'i don't have as many townvibes as i want' which doesn't gel with the timing of the vote being with the A50/me conflict that he didn't comment on specifically
now they're both pushing Dunn with cases that came as basically the same time

both of their votes/pushes on me were the worst ones. oka/agar are in a similar state of their agreement with those pushes being bad

this feels like trying to save a partner

VOTE: LLD

no one else had a problem with the push on you, so this is me suggesting the way you're approaching the game is too self centered (and i think that's scummy)

@matina/innocentvillager/hercule/DGB - what are your views on how i'm approaching this and whether i should be angry/upset by this?

[Hopkirk]

i was townreading like half of the people i'm now disliking until this so maybe i'm just tilted but this doesn't feel ok

[OkaPoka]

im literally townreading you and have literally defended you that your posts were obviously jokes

whatever

[AGar]

given you responded seriously to my post last game where i was saying 'eating/sleeping/needing to use the bathroom etc' was scum indicative as though i was serious, i don't have a high opinion of your ability to recognize humor.

I... did not do this? Your only "joke" I didn't get was you saying everything you posted was for a reason, but once again - if no one is laughing at your jokes, maybe it's not the fucking audience that's bad at this.

the subject was like a 1-2 post exchange. why do i look at that and know 'ah, posting this is going to make the thread explode lol'.

Because you're competent enough to read what LLD has posted prior to that, read what everyone else has posted about LLD's playstyle, and also read the specific words that LLD used about that and the strong wording. I presume.

what about me and agar?

you're both backing the narrative of discrediting my image as a person, not just a slot.

like saying that 'hopkirk is either scum, or he's the kind of person who would intentionally try and piss people off to start shit' instead of 'hop is either scum or he made a joke in good faith that either went to far (i disagree it went far at all but that's a separate point that's not worth discussing)' is the four of you choosing to insult me as a person and really fucking pisses me off

I am explicitly calling you scum.
Have a vote.

VOTE: Hopkirk

[Dannflor]

for what it's worth I have never thought that the 'joke' itself was alignment indicative

i have mostly just wanted people to stop talking about it

[Hopkirk]

it is not okay to make RC jokes because clearly LLD really dislikes it, so the flopz thing feels a little incendiary even if it a joke

ok sorry, i looked back and i thought you were a lot more malicious about it than this
dann is also ok in terms of not personally attacking me

i'm annoyed with Agar and Ceph

[Cephrir]

if it helps i don't really care about that issue anymore

[Hopkirk]

I think I'm too tilted to read objectively right now