Mini 2204: Fakeclaim Mafia GAME OVER

[Totally Not Korina]

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also yoink

[puppy]

skitt, if i'm scum with chillin, why is my partner the counterwagon to me? i haven't done much to warrant keeping me alive.
i've already used 2/3 of my powers and got confirmation from the mod that even if i died yesterday, my second ability still would've gone through because its effect is at night--same with the first one.

dont know if puppy is fan of this logic, sometimes partner also scummy and becomes wagon when they are more obvious, puppy thinks that you have probably done more mechanically than chillin did if your partner to get goodwill from townpuppies and that is why they went first if both of you are bad

that being said puppy doesnt think that hard about trying to see you sleeping in ground right now, want it to be right so can look good and cool but probably isnt

can you phrase this more clearly? i don't really know what you're getting at.

puppy thinks that sometimes there is a counterwagon that also happens to be mafia, because both mafia have done bad things that are obvious, but one has done a bit more. in this case, puppy also thinks that by virtue of your role you are more the benefit to keep around if you are town, and that chillin did not have too much of a leg to stand on in that regard, but it is also not something that puppy thinks hard about right now because they aren't into the idea of killing you anymore. it makes more sense that you are town to chillin's bad but puppy just disagreed with the logic at play for some reason and felt a need to talk about it.

i mean haha bark.

[Not_Mafia]

I didn't bother

[Totally Not Korina]

why

[Kerset]

no one supports me

[Kerset]

actually not_mafia ISO is so awful

[Not_Mafia]

actually not_mafia ISO is so awful

It always is

[Totally Not Korina]

kerset, i wanna tr you but you're making it hard for me to do so

[Totally Not Korina]

while i'm thinking about this game as well, skitter, elaborate on your reads on nm and puppy for me?

[Totally Not Korina]

i kinda just want you to elaborate on all of your reads tbf
if you're scum, cool, it doesn't really matter.
if you're town, we at least have something to go off of.

[Totally Not Korina]

based on hood last night, I still always wanna flip you today, but there is the possibility you're town, in which case I want your full reads.

[Farkran]

There's no room for paranoia on tnk honestly. Not only they were counterwagon to scum in d2, but i would 100% have died n1 or n2 if tnk was scum.

I am also very confident pp is town, although they should post more :\ i'm still waiting for the promised insight

I see puppy/skitter as tvs 99.9% of the times so if it's not skit it's just puppy.

Third scum is probably SS, NM or cakez, i wouldn't rule out any of them completely, but rn i lean town on SS

[Not_Mafia]

I'm town

[Kerset]

I am also very confident pp is town, although they should post more :\ i'm still waiting for the promised insight

Why? You never argument your take on him aside 240

[Farkran]

I am also very confident pp is town, although they should post more :\ i'm still waiting for the promised insight

Why? You never argument your take on him aside 240

Meta read + nka + reasons, also his posting sounds town in a vacuum, not only asking for votes (this is nai for pp) but also contributing to make the gamestate advance and baiting scum into doing stuff to sort them. This is my opinion, which other people who can read pp seem to agree on, so he's also towntold by that. Now he's disappeared but i see no reason to reassess on this read based on circumstances.

There's a chance i could be wrong but i just don't see it. I assume pp is town and i'm satisfied in having him in my towncore.

[Kerset]

One thing i could say about skitter meta is that she likes to give up on mafia. Her effort drops to zero once she falls in to despair as scum.

[Kerset]

like right now

[SirCakez]

-snip-
also i don't think i kill mena there

VOTE: puppy

i townread: klick, penguin, fark, ss, penguin
townlean: sircakes, kerset
everyone else: puppy, nm

ideally i'd like to flip in one of those two today; given the gamestate that doesn't seem *super* likely to happen today but i would like to memorialize my reads for y'all

why puppy?

fuck, woof. puppy keeps forgetting about game.

will read up but probably just vote skitter, have no real opinions which is not great but is whatever as other dogs say, wagon is wagon, alternative is puppy which might be for the best at this point if skitter also town so she can do things puppy doesnt have energy for

not a fan of this post but I still want skitter's explanation

[SirCakez]

I agree Penguin is hard town here, I think he's made posts that are transparently town-motivated

[Klick]

One thing i could say about skitter meta is that she likes to give up on mafia. Her effort drops to zero once she falls in to despair as scum.

I was surprised by how straightforward and not-cheeky this post was delivered...

like right now

And then I saw this one

And yeah PP has been obvtown since like mid D1

[skitter30]

while i'm thinking about this game as well, skitter, elaborate on your reads on nm and puppy for me?

i'm gonna be honest it's in large part a poe read. i feel like i have reasons to townread just abt everyone else rn

[skitter30]

i kinda just want you to elaborate on all of your reads tbf
if you're scum, cool, it doesn't really matter.
if you're town, we at least have something to go off of.

ok sure, which ones

[skitter30]

One thing i could say about skitter meta is that she likes to give up on mafia. Her effort drops to zero once she falls in to despair as scum.

nah

[Totally Not Korina]

Just all of them. How did you get to NM/Puppy being scum from PoE?

[skitter30]

Farkran
SirCakez
PenguinPower
Kerset, replacing Korg
Klick
Something_Smart, replacing OMGUS
Puppy
Totally Not Korina
Not_Mafia, replacing Firebringer

for you, fark, and ss i dont' think the wagon on chillin happens yesterday without them
klick too but i was already townreading him independantly
penguin is still town for the reasons i've elaborated (namely, his early game meta; i dont' think the wya he was playing/motivated/interested comes from scum-him there. he has dropped off more but i don't think that's ai and i think the early game more than makes up for it)
kerset has good tone + i liked korg and how he kept trying to get back into the game despite losing interest from not having a vote. also kerset doing the 'oh i'm using my ability to move people's votes' when it doesnt' seem he actually had that ability felt townie to me

actually as i'm writing this out i dont' think i really have good reasons to townread sircakez
and then there's nm/puppy, who are my poe