Mini Normal 2205: RotITGBSMoD [game over!]

[Andresvmb]

I think we caught another scum (2).

Sigh.

[VFP]

Your take is bad because I did what you suggested I should do before you even come onto the thread yet you criticize me anyway. So yeah, it’s a bad take.

It's still a bad take that YOU advised to do though.
YOU said to ignore the scum read.

So no, it's not a bad take.

[Andresvmb]

I didn’t suggest osuka ignore a SR. Or at least not entirely. It was more the way they were approaching it. If all you’re going to do is call the person you SR an idiot and quote their posts and say they’re the dumbest thing ever, how does that help anyone? I’m more than happy to read through interactions and understand points of view. What osuka was doing wasn’t helpful. I was trying to move away from that.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

let's go over one of your "thought processes" ok buddy?


STD: Pooky are you going to read the game?

Pooky: Nah

STD: VOTE: POOKY.


Ok whats the thought process behind this?


A) STD thinks reading the game is important, since Pooky won't read the game, STD must "punish" Pooky by voting him.

This is a though process that Scum!STD might do, because Scum!STD has a need to make his votes "make sense".

It's a very simple "reason" to go from Read Game Good -> Pooky No read Game Bad -> Vote Pooky.

That's called a "justification vote" It is not a "I'm voting ____ cuz _____ is scum" vote because he doesn't go to the layer of reasoning that should exist in his head if he was town, which is

B) Why does Scum!Pooky refuse to read the game?

There is no tactical benefit for a scum!player to refuse to read the game.

In fact one of the things scum LOVE to do upon replacing into a red slot is to say:

"Give me some time to catch up guys"

Because it's a "reasonable" request.

This player did everyone a favor by replacing in, now let's give him some time to "catch up"

Now the scum!replacee can figure out where he fits in the game, he can read and figure out the dynamics and what is going on.

The "trap" is me saying Nah to STD when he asks me to read the game.

Because I wanted to see if he takes the next step that Town!Him should be taking.

Which is:

Pooky told me he won't read the game, does that make Pooky more likely to be Town or Scum?

He didn't take that next step.

He never explains why Pooky not reading the game -> Pooky Scum

There's actually not a good reason for this jump.

Because Scum

usually do not walk into games without reading them

Then if Pooky flips he can always blame me for "not reading the game"

He's

more interested in the justification for his vote and the subsequent fallout than actually finding scum

Now let's look at a town!POV

Let's say STD is a town player who genuinely wants his friend Pooky to read the game for

reasons

For example let's say there's some important shit that STD thinks I need to look at, wouldn't he quote it and tell me to look at it?

Wouldn't he be like you should read [quote] and I think this means ___ ?

Like what's even so important in the first 20ish pages that I should even be looking at?

I mean can he even come up with a reason that Scum!Pooky would want to avoid reading the first 20 pages that makes sense? whats so important in those pages that I need to avoid?

It's like he's created this set of "rules" that don't make any sense and he is insisting on fitting "Pooky is scum because he refuses to read what happened before he replaced in" but he never fills in the blank of "WHY"

Cuz he's not interested in why

He's not interested in catching scum.

His votes this game are "justification" votes, not "I want to kill scum" votes.

[Andresvmb]

Well Pooky, I agree with your reasoning there for what it’s worth.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i don't think you have

literally happened here:

are you going to read the thread at some point pooky

@everyone pooky d1 town should at least be doing something, do you see him actually participating or is he hiding behind his meta to do absolutely nothing here? ask your self what his case is on me.

i'm voting for who i think is scum and most people are still like "oh that's just pooky" ignoring the fact he has yet to do anything this entire game.

1. I never read the thread when i replace in, thats NAI

2. how am I not participating? I'm literally giving multiple scumreads and townreads and pushing for you to die cuz I think you're scum.

3. "yet to do anything this entire game" lol what

There wasn't a lot to refute because your "case" is paper thin and a joke

[T3]

Compomise: vote Asteria

[Andante]

Andres and VFP are 2 scum

just reading their interactions with each other... it reads as scum talking to scum...

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and "Pooky is not doing anything" is not a scum case.

It's also factually untrue

[Andresvmb]

Andres and VFP are 2 scum

just reading their interactions with each other... it reads as scum talking to scum...

You’re actually hurting the Town right now.

[T3]

Andres and VFP are 2 scum

just reading their interactions with each other... it reads as scum talking to scum...

Can you elaborate further?

[Green Crayons]

there are a metric ton of posts since i last posted and my Monday is very busy. i won't be able to catch up until maybe tonight.

[Asteria]

Wow that's a lot of pages since last night

Ok so based on the guns discussion there is no reason to believe Robert couldn't be a tracker so I still don't want to elim there but I'm still very suspicious over how that crumb and claim were handled. Pooky is townier. Andante town obviously. I'll do some setup spec later.

I’ve taken a few days off of this game mostly, but I started re-reading, and I really hate Robert hahaha and I think their claim is horrible, and the crumb makes no sense from a real PR. We should blow it up.

I at least half agree with you here

Dragon is probably town for actually being someone to not claim a PR
UNVOTE: Dragon

That makes no sense. Scum claim VT too

Didn't really comment on much since there was so much to read. I'm not feeling strongly at all about this anymore UNVOTE: . I'm not sure how I feel about dragons. I definitely don't TR them so I'm not against the elim being there. I do need to take some time to iso them and decide if I think they're scum though

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if people are in love with STD I am willing to compromise and kill GCray as well

they are my highest tier of Scumread atm

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like GCray's ISO takes maybe 2 minutes to "read"

there's nothing there

It's like he's trying to fade into the background like some kind of chamelon and pretend he's not even playing the game or something

it's wild

[Save The Dragons]

and "Pooky is not doing anything" is not a scum case.

It's also factually untrue

before 1185 your iso is literally you not doing anything

[Andresvmb]

Compomise: vote Asteria

You know, I disliked Asteria’s posting early on I did, but I think they’ve had a few good posts actually. I want STD to flip more strongly than I want to compromise vote Asteria, who could very well be Town.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and "Pooky is not doing anything" is not a scum case.

It's also factually untrue

before 1185 your iso is literally you not doing anything

uh I voted you, lobbied votes for you, got you to almost elimination

I don't know what drugs you have to be on to think that's equivalent to "not doing anything" but you crazy rn

[Save The Dragons]

you voted people yes but you didn't give any reasoning for all anyone knows you were just pulling things out of your ass

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

voting people =/= doing nothing.

trying to eliminate someone =/= doing nothing

[Andresvmb]

I think STD’s basic tunneling of Pooky who I think reads like Town to me is enough for a D1 execution. They’re insistent because at this stage they probably don’t have a choice. Again, it’s a worthy execution and one we should just commit to. There’s so much resistance that I think it’s entirely possible that it’ll flip Scum.

[Andante]

I think STD’s basic tunneling of Pooky who I think reads like Town to me is enough for a D1 execution. They’re insistent because at this stage they probably don’t have a choice. Again, it’s a worthy execution and one we should just commit to. There’s so much resistance that I think it’s entirely possible that it’ll flip Scum.

agreed, everyone who unvoted has high scum equity here I believe. Everyone was so confident STD was scum before, I threw him on E-1 and all of a sudden he's town? riiight

[Save The Dragons]

*cough cough i voted T3 as well cough cough*

[Save The Dragons]

when i flip take a hard look at andres who seemed to decide i was scum and then made the world fit that view

[Andresvmb]

when i flip take a hard look at andres who seemed to decide i was scum and then made the world fit that view

Yep. Let’s do that.