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Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2021 10:49 pm
by Anastasia
In post 1621, Vasex wrote:So whats about timing? How many times he was on top? What he did being there and when? What is he plan in this cases?
It's not about being on top of the VC count early, early wagons dissipate like spring showers.

Towns grow bored and move on.

There is real danger in the air now. You can feel the thunder in the air.

Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2021 10:52 pm
by Vasex
Hm, when he first time scumread Artemiana... it was a moment when people didnt want to elim cops t3 and kitty (both had votes), but thats interesting that Enchant had many votes also in that moment. Artemiana had only dgb's vote. Nero and me decided to vote cabd... and tge he first time suggested to vote Artemiana.

Not Enchant...

What do you think about cabd-enchant?

Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2021 10:52 pm
by Vasex
*then

Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2021 10:56 pm
by Anastasia
Yes he first scumread her earlier.

But where is his vote?

Where is his push to kill her?

His read on her is as cold as the day she left the game.

Why choose to push now only when he is in real trouble?

The timing speaks to his actual belief - I do not believe he has any in his case.

The actual reasoning is beyond weak, like a Sandcastle built at Low Tide.

It guesses at her mindset when clearly the evidence is that she was not interested or committed to this game and flaked out as a result of that.

Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2021 10:59 pm
by Anastasia
It's getting close to my bedtime and I have to take some time to calm down before I sleep.

Good night Vasex.

Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2021 11:05 pm
by Dunnstral
In post 1599, Vasex wrote:Cabd attacks people, which he knows very well. Arte and Dunn.
The only question is it because he really sure he found scums, or just worried about that they can easily find him knowing him too...?
Buuuut... talking about the second option. Neither Artemiana(and Anastasia), nor Dunn were suspecting Cabd... Artestasia's scumreads: mark,vasex,etine,ndmath,samantha. Dunn scumread mostly only STD.... This is std scumreads cabd, but dunn scumreads std, not cabd... "what has cabd done?", "exactly"
Well , this is a quite strange tactic for cabd-scum to attack Artestasia and Dunn, who are not dangerous for him at all.
Maybe only one exception: if they are dangerous for his partners. But their voices are not too loud and they cannot create a wagon to ndmath or std ... so... it seems cabd is town really. Or just sick/crazy, like fond of fonding difficulties for himself, attacking his allies.
Though Dunn has voted Andre, then Kityy voted Andre, but still cabd was waiting rather long with no real danger for Andre...

I think cabd is town
I want cabd's take too

The game was abandoned but a large part of day 1 still happened

Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2021 11:07 pm
by Vasex
Anastasia, what do you think about enchant with cabd? U missed the question lol

Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2021 11:17 pm
by Enchant
I think Enchant is town.

Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2021 11:17 pm
by Vasex
Look.
Artemiana had 1 vote.
T3 had 8 votes. Kitty 1 vote.
Enchant 4 votes
Cabd 3 votes.
Nero and I added 2 votes to cabd... he was from enchant, and samantha unvoted t3... it became 5 votes cabd 3 votes enchant. 7 tr, 0 kitty (deathnote unvoted), 1 art. Im from mobile phone so please check.

Cabd immediately came and suggested Artemiana is scummy.
Why not t3 and kitty? Maybe cops, ok.
Why not enchant? This is more interesting question, moreover enchant was suspecting cabd first time and voting on rvs (not much, but..).

So to survive he could attack enchant.
But he didnt.
So maybe he is with enchant, if scummy.
What do you think?
Or maybe he was busing with you.

Or maybe he is just a town who dont think about survival and talked just about most suspicious player for him.
Arte was during rellacement at this moment btw

One more important moment: t3 was very red for cabd (among three scummys for him - std, t3 and etine). T3 has 7 votes, enchant has 3 votes, but cabd with 5 votes attacks artemiana with 1 vote....
Though t3 is claimed cop so... maybe not valid. Enchant is more interesting option here. And there was no enchant in his rainbow list, so he could vote him instead of etine, t3 and std... why didnt ge do it? This is the main question. Either it ruins the idea or survival vote , or it just proving that they are both scums

Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2021 11:17 pm
by Vasex
*the idea of survival vote

Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2021 11:21 pm
by Vasex
Enchant, what do you think about cabd? Stop ignoring it

Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2021 11:23 pm
by Kerset
AnastasiaxVasex is so fun to watch

Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2021 11:32 pm
by Vasex
...when you know sides?

Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2021 11:34 pm
by Vasex
VOTE: Cabd

Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2021 11:43 pm
by Enchant
In post 1635, Vasex wrote:Enchant, what do you think about cabd? Stop ignoring it
Idk, don't kill him today. He undirectly attacked Cop claims (by stating 1-2-Shot Cops is something stupid), so if both Cops is bullshit (which is possible), he most likely town.

Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2021 11:43 pm
by Kerset
Spoiler:
In post 1623, Anastasia wrote:This is an example of a reaction test I ran on him:

In post 1563, Anastasia wrote:Also the symmetric nature of your "read-wall" feels fake.

4-4-4-6-2 feels like something you planned out to look pretty rather than how you actually feel about each slot.

I could probably pick out your entire scum team just based on how fake your reads are.

I should do that.
In post 1564, Cabd wrote:Please do, would be happy to see your results!

As you can see, I called his readslist fake and boasted that I could pick out his entire scum team just based on how fake his reads were.

His reaction to it was one of
amusement


That is not a town!POV reaction.

A scum who has generated a fake!readlist and put careful touches on how he hid his team would be amused and interested to see if I could actually nail all of them - he thinks I will miss and be completely off base; the odds are quite low I could nail all of his team.

A town!POV does not have this reaction because that readlist is something
real
to them,

A town!POV believes that I am
scum
and attacking them based on nothing.


Note the timestamp: Reaction Test/Reaction Post from him were both posted at 8:46 - within one minute. This is why you do reaction test baiting in real time against scum - when they do not have time to generate a Town!POV they slip and just let their true feeling show.

Scum!him was amused to see me attempt to "solve" his fake readslist - he let his true reaction slip through.


You would need huge meta knowledge to determine something like this. It sounds like typical confirmation bias. You just want to think that he is scum.
The truth is that he wasn't "really" amused. It is the same reaction that you would give to flat earth believer, when you know that arguing with them is futile. The idea of 'finding entire scumteam' is as ridiculous as conspiracy theory. It makes no sense to argue it for real.

Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2021 11:45 pm
by Vasex
In post 1639, Enchant wrote:
In post 1635, Vasex wrote:Enchant, what do you think about cabd? Stop ignoring it
Idk, don't kill him today. He undirectly attacked Cop claims (by stating 1-2-Shot Cops is something stupid), so if both Cops is bullshit (which is possible), he most likely town.
so who should be killed today? t3?

Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2021 11:50 pm
by Enchant
In post 1641, Vasex wrote:
In post 1639, Enchant wrote:
In post 1635, Vasex wrote:Enchant, what do you think about cabd? Stop ignoring it
Idk, don't kill him today. He undirectly attacked Cop claims (by stating 1-2-Shot Cops is something stupid), so if both Cops is bullshit (which is possible), he most likely town.
so who should be killed today? t3?
Why you think my vote remains on him?

Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2021 11:52 pm
by Kerset
bc you are too lazy to read the most recent events and this is something you have arguments to support

Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2021 11:53 pm
by Enchant
In post 1643, Kerset wrote:bc you are too lazy to read the most recent events and this is something you have arguments to support
Yes.

Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2021 12:06 am
by Kerset
One thing that really bothers me, is the counterwagon. Lets say that cabd is scum. What are his teammates doing? Pushing Ana? They all bus? They stay afk? Is Vasex yelling in scumPT, POMOSH POMOSH POMOSH, i can't solo carry.

Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2021 1:04 am
by Vasex
Yes.

Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2021 1:06 am
by Nero Cain
or maybe they are light defending him like ^

Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2021 1:07 am
by Vasex
True.

Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2021 1:08 am
by Nero Cain
woulda been funnier if vasex didn't get in the way