In post 1617, jjh927 wrote:Moon and Mastina are basically locktown for me
What was your take on Moon buddying me and townreading me until I called them scum, then flipping the script and immediately trying to to build a wagon on me?
Not even a gradual build up, it went from cookies and milk to acid cocktails.
In post 1617, jjh927 wrote:Moon and Mastina are basically locktown for me
What was your take on Moon buddying me and townreading me until I called them scum, then flipping the script and immediately trying to to build a wagon on me?
Not even a gradual build up, it went from cookies and milk to acid cocktails.
Yeah i don’t feel like Moon’s been townie at all so far.
Cyrus appears to be now townreading me because of my part in avoiding a hammer and I'm not sure what to think of that- still think he's quite possibly scum
Nom looks town, NM is possibly scum and Titus is probably scum
Moon and Mastina are basically locktown for me
I think Gamma and House are both town
FMFT could easily be scum but haven't really seen anything convincing me either way
I think that's everyone
You missed NK15
Oh right I'm not voting NK15 any more because I don't want an early hammer, but good odds of NK15 being scum
This is an odd thing to forget. Feels kinda performative.
In post 1630, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Ok, having looked it over, i prefer an Moongrass lim to an NK15 lim.
NSG townreads moon but i think their reasoning is pretty meh, just meta.
I'd be fine with that, on the grounds that a Moon red flip leads to an NK elimination the next day.
Moon lost the farm once NK hit E-1 with the elimination moratorium lifted.
Cyrus appears to be now townreading me because of my part in avoiding a hammer and I'm not sure what to think of that- still think he's quite possibly scum
Nom looks town, NM is possibly scum and Titus is probably scum
Moon and Mastina are basically locktown for me
I think Gamma and House are both town
FMFT could easily be scum but haven't really seen anything convincing me either way
I think that's everyone
You missed NK15
Oh right I'm not voting NK15 any more because I don't want an early hammer, but good odds of NK15 being scum
This is an odd thing to forget. Feels kinda performative.
I was hoping to sheep those who knew him better since I've been gone for so long, but everyone seems to disagree on him, so I'll get around to sorting him, probably d2.
Gun to my head, I wouldn't hammer his wagon if one built. That's the best I can do right now.
In post 1630, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Ok, having looked it over, i prefer an Moongrass lim to an NK15 lim.
NSG townreads moon but i think their reasoning is pretty meh, just meta.
I'd be fine with that, on the grounds that a Moon red flip leads to an NK elimination the next day.
Moon lost the farm once NK hit E-1 with the elimination moratorium lifted.
What does the last part mean?
And why should NK go with an Moon scumflip?
In post 1630, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Ok, having looked it over, i prefer an Moongrass lim to an NK15 lim.
NSG townreads moon but i think their reasoning is pretty meh, just meta.
I'd be fine with that, on the grounds that a Moon red flip leads to an NK elimination the next day.
Moon lost the farm once NK hit E-1 with the elimination moratorium lifted.
What does the last part mean?
And why should NK go with an Moon scumflip?
1) I think NK should go regardless, personally.
2) Moon bent over backwards defending them when I put NK in lolhammer range with NM in the game.
is no one else seeing how hard it is to get a nk hammer . think we need 7 votes if there is 3 scum here and nither of them are voting nk15 then thats why its takeing so long.
In post 1642, cyrus62 wrote:is no one else seeing how hard it is to get a nk hammer . think we need 7 votes if there is 3 scum here and nither of them are voting nk15 then thats why its takeing so long.
That's an gross oversimplification of how mafia works.
And it's pretty much only 2 mafia votes if NK is scum here since NK would obviously not vote themselves if they are scum and also town.
In post 954, House wrote:FMFT & cyrus are the two I'm comfortable voting at this point.
FMFT, okay, but why Cyrus?
FMFT seems to be a very evasive in giving actual reasons for their scumreads.
I ISO'ed Cyrus and didn't find anything suspicious.
The first thing that set me off was the superficial read of the Fey twins earlier in their ISO, but then they make this post where it's very easy to superficially scumread cyrus (which they don't).
In post 954, House wrote:FMFT & cyrus are the two I'm comfortable voting at this point.
FMFT, okay, but why Cyrus?
FMFT seems to be a very evasive in giving actual reasons for their scumreads.
I ISO'ed Cyrus and didn't find anything suspicious.
FMFT is voting with you - why are you shading them?
You mean why I scumread them a bit?
Because not all of my scumreads are perfect. One of you may be very well town. Or not.
Because scum does not always vote town.
Scum tends to be more aware of those on the wagon with them, and I think NK would have a better answer than this fumbling around post if they were scum.
In post 1180, Moongrass wrote:It means not interacting with them directly which I haven't for some time. Like I know it's next level play to you to actually take into account other people's reads, but it's actually easier to play as a team instead of some delusional scum hunting god flying solo. A lot of what I do won't ever be acknowledged and I've made peace with that long ago.
1. That is a lie, you've made the "giving space" post very early on in your iso but still interacted and wrote a case about the hydra being scum in the meantime
2. The "I know it's next level play to you to actually take into account other people's reads" is highly not necessary and comes off as discrediting a very valid point
3. So your whole argument is that you want to play as a team so I assume this means that you are basically saying you are more or less trying to follow the stumps in their assessments. While that is a fair assessment, I don't buy that, as town:
>You basically give up your nancy push because of that
>You change your gamma read from town to scum because of that (because I assume this is what it is, considering you confidently say you townread gamma early on, then for no reason include him in your hypothetical scumteam, and the only explanation I see that could justify that is norwee saying he thinks the slot is scummy)
That last self-defeating line also doesn't strike me as town at all and feels more like trying to sell to me a town mindset that doesn't exist.
I feel pretty confident that you're scum here. None of this makes sense.
In post 1168, jjh927 wrote:I have had significant pushes on the play of House (although this was primarily to get us out of RVS), Mia (specifically the koba head), and you. You have gone to lengths to ignore or dismiss these because they don't fit your narrative. I'm pretty sure these are the main areas of content that everybody else in the game is using to place me- so I'm fairly sure the only reason you aren't finding content there is because you don't want to.
Yep.
Scumteam is Moongrass + Cyrus + Mia/FMFT VOTE: Moongrass
Oh! Yeah, this flip with zero progression really triggered me.
In post 1332, Not Known 15 wrote:If Moongrass isn't town then the hydra is obviously town, and I suspected Moongrass a bit more than the hydra. Yet if Moongrass is town the hydra is a scumread.
Although
In post 1150, jjh927 wrote:Cyrus, as an exercise, please could you explain your Gamma Emerald townread
I iso them and I'm on my phone right now so linking the stuff would be hard but from what I see they are actually scum hunting and shorting people unlike you who is just going by meta but I also iso every one and Mia is now my 3dr suspect so when I get back on my phone I'm going to prod and pick on them till I get a reaction I can see why nk15 could be scum as well though so I'm going re read . You mia nk15 and mastina
It's very selective of you to say I'm only using meta and I think you've said it one too many times for me to just ignore you doing so
I have had significant pushes on the play of House (although this was primarily to get us out of RVS), Mia (specifically the koba head), and you. You have gone to lengths to ignore or dismiss these because they don't fit your narrative. I'm pretty sure these are the main areas of content that everybody else in the game is using to place me- so I'm fairly sure the only reason you aren't finding content there is because you don't want to.
There are 4 players about whom I have talked meta- myself, Mastina, Nancy, and you. Myself because self meta is sometimes persuasive, Mastina because people were and apparently still are scumreading Mastina for things she normally does, Nancy because you cannot separate Nancy from her meta and if you try to then she'll bring you back to that topic, and you because I think when someone is playing to such a low standard of play as to literally read someone's readslist upside down I feel inclined to look at their meta to get a better understanding of what the hell is going on there. I mainly scumread you because it's pretty damn clear to me that you started off posting looking for reasons to scumread me specifically but lack the discretion required to determine believable ones.
VOTE: Cyrus
Let's eliminate this.
I mean, cyrus was doing this stuff all along without drawing NK's suspicion...?
In post 1329, jjh927 wrote:However, it doesn't take a genius to correctly townread me when I've put so much content into the game, and people who just ignore that are inherently more likely to be scum
As an aside, take a look at where I am on NSG's readlist
content doesn't mean crap here . i play the way i do so no one can till if im scum or town and stump or not any one can be fooled .
What the is this sentence supposed to say? It is unreadable.
It's like the rest of his posts, pretty much... but now he's "unreadable" when there was nothing suspicious before?
OK, so I was thinking NK went from townreading cyrus to voting him with zero progression, but that's not what happened.
He stated a lack of suspicion, which is not the same as a town read.
Aaaand, Moon could have flipped his shit because he thought I was jumping at an opportunity to quicklynch by exaggerating the case against him.
