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Post Post #1650 (ISO) » Sat Jun 27, 2009 2:48 pm

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Impromptu V/LA.

I DID, in fact, get the crime boss ability. What's more, it's still a double vote, but only one of the votes will appear on the VC

In other words, it's me or him and three to lynch.
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Post Post #1651 (ISO) » Sat Jun 27, 2009 2:50 pm

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Scum found.
Vote Gorrad


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Post Post #1652 (ISO) » Sat Jun 27, 2009 3:18 pm

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Also note that Gorrad absolutely has to be lying because if the town still has the double vote power, then we would have won yesterday because we would have had more voting power even if the game went to a 1-on-1 tie breaker. It is ridiculous to think there are two more scum left. You shouldn't have been so bold Gorrad. You still might have had a shot of a mislynch if you had just played the day out.
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Post Post #1653 (ISO) » Sat Jun 27, 2009 3:25 pm

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Triple-post mania!!!!!

It just crossed my mind that Gorrad may in fact have a double voting ability, however. It sort of makes sense from a balance perspective since we've seen no powerroles on the scum team at all so far. I wouldn't doubt that GF Gorrad had some way of gaining the double vote through his kill on Charlatan.
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Post Post #1654 (ISO) » Sat Jun 27, 2009 3:31 pm

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Or these posts could just be your struggling to keep your head above water, as you were the obvious next lynch.
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Post Post #1655 (ISO) » Sat Jun 27, 2009 3:39 pm

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what a reply to my valid points
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Post Post #1656 (ISO) » Sat Jun 27, 2009 3:42 pm

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VP Baltar wrote:Also note that Gorrad absolutely has to be lying because if the town still has the double vote power, then we would have won yesterday because we would have had more voting power even if the game went to a 1-on-1 tie breaker. It is ridiculous to think there are two more scum left. You shouldn't have been so bold Gorrad. You still might have had a shot of a mislynch if you had just played the day out.

This post is very problematic! Town do not win until all scum are eliminated. The 50% win condition only comes into effect with scum. Last time someone slipped like this they were scum but I am enough nervous that I am going to wait on Korlash since he is pretty much confirmed with all this hoopla.
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Post Post #1657 (ISO) » Sat Jun 27, 2009 4:07 pm

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It's not problematic. I agree that all threats to town have to be eliminated, but the point is that if town still had the double voting power absolutely nothing could prevent that from happening. Think about it. What situation would there be if one of the town had the double voting power that the scum could win?
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Post Post #1658 (ISO) » Sat Jun 27, 2009 5:10 pm

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Um, one of each? Hell, two town, one scum. It doesn't matter if the vote total is more. If it's one on one, it's still one to lynch and scum still win. If it's two on one, a mislynch is still entirely possible.
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Post Post #1659 (ISO) » Sat Jun 27, 2009 5:17 pm

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You're gonna carry that weight...

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Post Post #1660 (ISO) » Sat Jun 27, 2009 9:41 pm

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Ok Easy fix. Juls, vote VP. If he isn't lynched next vote count Gorrad is lying. if he is, game over.
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Post Post #1661 (ISO) » Sat Jun 27, 2009 9:46 pm

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VP wrote:It's not problematic. I agree that all threats to town have to be eliminated, but the point is that if town still had the double voting power absolutely nothing could prevent that from happening. Think about it. What situation would there be if one of the town had the double voting power that the scum could win?
seeing as how the role exists the mod has a way to stop it. Obviously if it came down to one scum and one DV town the scum would win that exchange. Otherwise the scum would have had 0 chance of winning this game. Possible ways to do this is A) Without anyone to lead the leader ceases to be a leader, thus flavor wise he loses his DV. Or, the role has on it some petition that comes into play in endgame where he either doesn't have a DV or he needs a second town to lynch regardless of his DV.

The fact of the matter is we are not in LYLO, so the DV doesn't HAVE to be nuked.

But all that is irrelevant as we can easily tell if Gorrad is lying.
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Post Post #1662 (ISO) » Sun Jun 28, 2009 12:14 am

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Casting another vote on me to see if Gorrad is lying is a bad idea, because as I said before he very well may have picked up the DV ability--which I think is likely given the very weak scum team we have seen thus far.

If Gorrad has the DV and is scum, we very much are in LYLO. Say I get lynched today. He kills either Juls or Korlash tonight, and then insta-wins because nothing can prevent his victory the next day.

It is my understanding that in the case of a 1-1 situation scum win by default right? However, in the case of a 1-1 with DV, the victory would almost certainly have to go to the side with the strongest voting power and wouldn't be done by 'who can long on first and vote' as Gorrad is proposing. That is a ridiculously stupid, and largely unfair way of determining a winner.

This is why I am saying Gorrad absolutely has to be lying. I highly doubt the mod would make it so the scum cannot win the game at all.

Also, returning to what Juls said earlier for a moment:
Juls wrote:This post is very problematic! Town do not win until all scum are eliminated. The 50% win condition only comes into effect with scum.
This would be true in a normal game, but we are talking about extraneous circumstances here. This game has been seemingly built around the DV mechanic, so it only makes sense for a balance perspective that scum would be able to offset this in their own way. If the DV ability could never be removed from the town, then it is highly likely that the scum could never win.
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Post Post #1663 (ISO) » Sun Jun 28, 2009 12:35 am

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You can't argue it's impossible for town to have a DV and then argue it's possible scum has one. Either the ability screws over one side or it doesn't. If you want to push an argument be my guest but pick a flipping side man. This isn't argue whatever saves your ass time. It didn't work with Zilla, won't work with you.
VP wrote:This is why I am saying Gorrad absolutely has to be lying. I highly doubt the mod would make it so the scum cannot win the game at all.
Case in point. Here you argue town can't have a DV because the scum couldn't win.
VP wrote:If Gorrad has the DV and is scum, we very much are in LYLO. Say I get lynched today. He kills either Juls or Korlash tonight, and then insta-wins because nothing can prevent his victory the next day.
And here you are arguing he can have one to save your ass.

I rest my case.
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Post Post #1664 (ISO) » Sun Jun 28, 2009 1:34 am

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Korlash wrote:You can't argue it's impossible for town to have a DV and then argue it's possible scum has one. Either the ability screws over one side or it doesn't.
No it doesn't actually. Currently there are 3 town and 1 scum (who possibly can double vote). Scum can still be eliminated if town votes correctly today. If you flip that situation around and give the town the DV, there is no way the game should be going on because the scum could not win.

I don't understand what you are pointing out with the quotes above. Both revolve around scum Gorrad having the double vote, so what exactly is the inconsistency or whatever you are trying to point out?
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Post Post #1665 (ISO) » Sun Jun 28, 2009 1:49 am

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Korlash wrote:Ok Easy fix. Juls, vote VP. If he isn't lynched next vote count Gorrad is lying. if he is, game over.
Now this bothers me because why didn't you just do it?
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Post Post #1666 (ISO) » Sun Jun 28, 2009 2:01 am

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It doesn't even matter though Juls. I don't like that he was encouraging you to vote quickly either, but it is obvious it has to be either Gorrad or me. I have given a logical argument why it can't be me. Gorrad has not, and Korlash seems to just be ignoring logic for his gut read on Gorrad, which I don't understand at all given Gorrad's play in this game.
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Post Post #1667 (ISO) » Sun Jun 28, 2009 5:27 am

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VP Baltar wrote:It is my understanding that in the case of a 1-1 situation scum win by default right? However, in the case of a 1-1 with DV, the victory would almost certainly have to go to the side with the strongest voting power
What could even possibly make you think this?
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Post Post #1668 (ISO) » Sun Jun 28, 2009 5:45 am

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Which part of it?
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Post Post #1669 (ISO) » Sun Jun 28, 2009 6:17 am

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If there's one on one, what is possibly stopping the scum from winning? What makes you think that it would go to whoever has the most votes? Scum would still win by default.
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Post Post #1670 (ISO) » Sun Jun 28, 2009 6:50 am

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If 2 people were hypothetically alive, it would take 2 votes to lynch.

If neither person was a double voter, I'd call it a no lynch (thereby skipping the time necessary to pass through a deadline that won't create a hammer anyway) and take us to night.
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Post Post #1671 (ISO) » Sun Jun 28, 2009 7:09 am

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Mod confirmed. Gorrad is scum.
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Post Post #1672 (ISO) » Sun Jun 28, 2009 7:18 am

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OK...I have decided to vote VP Baltar. If I am wrong, I apologize town but I found these little nuggets in a reread of VP Baltar
VP Baltar wrote:Yep, my thoughts exactly. Now, if we were willing to risk a don lynch (which I am ok with), we could have either Juls, Zilla or Vi unvote and have
Rhinox vote for Don. This would prove or disprove if he has the ability to double vote.
VP Baltar wrote:Before we lynch don, can we test Rhinox's ability to double vote? We may as well at least confirm or deny this before ending the day.
That means someone needs to unvote, Charlatan needs to revote and then Rhinox needs to vote...if I'm keeping count correctly.
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Post Post #1673 (ISO) » Sun Jun 28, 2009 8:26 am

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Juls, Juls, Juls.....

If we lose this game because of that poorly crafted vote I'm going to hold a grudge.
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Post Post #1674 (ISO) » Sun Jun 28, 2009 8:35 am

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Final Vote Count of Day 5

VP Baltar ––– Gorrad, Juls

Gorrad ––– VP Baltar
Not Voting ––– Korlash

See you, Space Cowboy…


The sun was setting on Mars and the White Tigers had to make a decision. VP Baltar called out Gorrad, then Gorrad called out VP. Each laid claim to the title of Crime Boss, but there could only be one leader. They held each other at gunpoint.

“If this goes down to just two men,” VP Baltar said, “I know how it will end.”

“And how is that?” Gorrad asked.

“Look at my eyes,” he said, “One of them is a fake because I lost it in an accident. Since then, I've been seeing the past in one eye and the present in the other. So, I thought I could only see patches of reality, never the whole picture. I felt like I was watching a dream I could never wake up from. Before I knew it, the dream was over.”

Gorrad didn’t budge. Korlash asked Juls to pull the trigger, and she obliged. Bang.

VP Baltar fell to the ground, blood spurting from his lips.

“It was all just…a dream.”


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