Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 2:01 am
Gamma wrote:of him voting meand meleaning very hard towards voting dana over you
↑ inHimshallibe wrote:You say you worked Gamma = scum out by POE... why was I eliminated?
↑ danakillsu wrote:It's kind of odd that you admit to flip-flopping, since that's used by many as a scumtell. I might be willing to vote for you, but I may not get the opportunity.
@ Gammagooey
Are you fairly certain that you'll be voting for me? Because if you are, a vote for inHim will be a wasted vote on my part. He would be the only one that might vote with me rather than against me.
↑ danakillsu wrote:↑ Gammagooey wrote:I'd like to hear dana's opinions on THINGS before I throw down a vote today. Plus I want to go over Spystuff some and I think it'll be more useful if it happens after dana words up the place instead of before.
Here it seems like you're expecting me to have more involvement in the game than I previously had, and even encouraging it, and now you're using it as a scumtell. Yes, I know this is a different day, and no, that doesn't change anything.
Here's the real stumper about the way Gamma has played, and I didn't notice it before. Up until today, he appeared to have a "leaning town" read on me, constantly asked for my opinion, my night actions, and just general appeared to treat me as town. Then Neruz confidently names me as his scumread (not surprising) and votes for me. Two real posts from Gammagooey later (I'm not counting the "I'll post soon" post), Gamma suddenly decides I make the most sense as the last scum. Honestly, this makes the more sense coming from scum than coming from town. It definitely appears that Neruz isn't going to be changing his vote, but it looks to me like Gamma is making sure of that before placing his vote on me and at the very least, forcing a no lynch. At the most, of course, he would win. Thoughts?
Admittedly, other than these two things, I mostly have PoE as a reason for voting Gamma. I'm pretty sure Neruz is town, not sure about inHim (but a vote for him would be wasted), and that leaves only Gamma.
PEDIT:
I have to disagree. If you're town under the gun in mylo, your job is to prove that someone else is more vote-worthy (A.K.A. more scummy) than yourself.
Gamma in anothergame wrote:What WOULD help is those more detailed town reads that you mentioned earlier. I don't care if it's weak reasons or a weak read or whatever but I'm fairly certain that'll help a lot more than everything you're doing now.
Gamma in anothergamex2 wrote:hmmmmmmmm so I'm gonna go over a few isos. MoI's reasons for DGB+Benmage town are decent and it has the bonus of frustrating Fate for a while.
His stuff about "the claim won't save me" is a liiittle more likely to come from town but yeah it could be a gambit and as scum he would totally be bussing sila right now. I do like the reasoning for ben and particularly DGB-town though and giving them quickly like he did gets him a few townpoints.
And finally using my patented "Reasons for townz that other people will find stupid"™ I think that MoI not expecting to survive the day and basically giving up like he did was more likely to come from town- With him stating that Fate was probably town I have a real hard time seeing MoI-scum give Fate the satisfaction of lynching him as scum. I think he would bring up doubts about Fate being town instead of maintaining that read, and made some sort of claim while going on about who needs to be lynched tomorrow. (this concludes "Reasons for townz that other people will find stupid"™)
↑ danakillsu wrote:↑ inHimshallibe wrote:You say you worked Gamma = scum out by POE... why was I eliminated?
I already told you this. The Neruz kill didn't make sense coming from you. Also, the fact that you haven't voted now confirms my educated guess.
↑ inHimshallibe wrote:↑ danakillsu wrote:↑ inHimshallibe wrote:You say you worked Gamma = scum out by POE... why was I eliminated?
I already told you this. The Neruz kill didn't make sense coming from you. Also, the fact that you haven't voted now confirms my educated guess.
Who would I have killed?
inHimshallibe wrote:And what reason does Gamma have for killing Neruz?
↑ danakillsu wrote:Well, look at his interactions with Robocopter. Not only was a confirmed town player quite sure Neruz was scum, but also Neruz tried to preemptively set up a lynch on a player we now know is town even if said player was not modkilled.
My protections:
YamiChan's replacement
ReaperCharlie
Junox
Yeah, they're weird, I know. Don't have too much experience as doc, and I don't necessarily remember my reasons for each of them.
↑ Gammagooey wrote:SECRET REREAD DEPLOYMENT COMPLETED- READS MODE ENGAGE.
First- DeathNote only stating that he massroleblocked everyone After MoI claimed that both he and his secret partner were roleblocked while Neruz was at L-1 is Terrible- If Neruz is town Two mislynches could have gone down for the mistaken role information and DeathNote should have known that there was something weird going on with Junox if they had results of any kind. Add that to his completely useless play for a recipe for death.
I don't think xvart was bussing/distancing Rikana- Rikana and Reaper were the only people xvart pushed on and I don't think he would attack two scum partners and only two scum partners- if there were a larger number of players he was focusing on it would be plausible but I can't see xvart starting the game and immediately going after two scum partners while ignoring the vast numbers of townies that he have to kill off by the end of the game.
MoI is likely town and becomes very VERY likely town if Neruz flips town in the future- As scum he could have easily lurked through it and just waited for a townie to hammer on a faulty investigation instead of showing up to stop it like he did.
Junoz didn't claim an incorrect investigation as scum after a mass roleblock because it would be hella dumb. Also, the gambit d3 trying to get a reaction from Neruz looks very town. Therefore, Townz.
Pretty sure Cool is town for his attacks on xvart.
kondi (empking) claiming to have an investigation box d1 was stupid but town, scum offering to trade an investigation that could bite them in the ass later would be monstrously retarded. Plus I think his general tone and actions regarding the jester shenanigans and modlynching and irritating Yami is more likely to come from town than scum.
Lobster has the most connections to xvart and RC by a very long shot but iso 33 about Rikana looks like a legitimate scumhunting attempt so she's not dying right now.
SpyreX is a secret town read for secret reasons that may or may not be meta-related.
Everyone not on here should post more or face CONSEQUENCES. (the consequences are nooses)
↑ Gammagooey wrote:inHimshallibe wrote:I want everyone to list why they're not scum and/or why they think someone else has the best case.
Empking's day 5 play and mebitching at everyone when they were giving town reads on Spy but not giving anything for who should be lynched instead.
Gamma wrote:You guys.
Junox has basically claimed a guilty investigation on SpyreX. Yes it's possible that it's been messed with but there's been nothing pointing to a roleblocker in the game before now. Now if you believe that Spy is town strongly enough to ignore that guilty then explain who you think is scum instead and I'll at least listen to what you have to say.
But this wanking around with thinking Spy is town but not voting ANYONE is absolute garbage. Take a stance about who you want lynched, change your mind later if need be. Saying that Spy is town but not giving an alternative lynch is going to do absolutely nothing while everyone sits around posturing and assuming Spy gets lynched REGARDLESS of whether you're right or wrong then tomorrow will consist of deciding who to deal between all you lovelies who decided that it would be great to give an opinion on the guy that was about to be lynched but leave all their options open for everyone else that would still be there tomorrow.
Yes I know dana still hasn't posted because he's V/LA but everyone else has and I personally think there's enough in everyone's iso here to be able to take a stance on them and decide on whether you want them dead more or less than SpyreX. If you REALLY want dana to get here before deciding then throw a vote on him to encourage him to post a bit more once he sees it after coming back from vacation and there can be spanish-style interrogations when he gets back.
↑ danakillsu wrote:I like my vote. If YamiChan is going to persist in a view that makes that little sense, then she deserves lynching.
RC's not stupid. He would know as maf that whether he has a PR says nothing about his alignment, and therefore, he should only follow a PR if he actually gets one. What motivation does he have to make up a difficult, almost trollish PR for himself?
↑ danakillsu wrote:YamiChan wrote:And dana, if you really cared about views that made little sense, you wouldn't have voted for me in the first place, given how idiotic the case being made against me was. Also, about eight other players suspected Reaper for the SAME EXACT REASON. But only I am accused of being Mafia or told I'm made little sense. That's suspicious on it's own.
This is you saying you disagree with my opinion on scumtells, and saying I make no sense because of it. I, on the other hand, SHOWED how it made no sense for scum to do what ReaperCharlie has done, and you have no defense against that, nor have you switched your vote. As to your AtE about everybody picking on you, you're the only one I've noticed persisting in calling RC's PR a scumtell despite my proofs to the contrary.
↑ danakillsu wrote:Wheee, that's Sathoris and Lobster as far as I'm concerned. I haven't forgetten about you, either, MoI.
vote: Sathoris
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↑ danakillsu wrote:Well, I kinda feel like hammering Empking, but I'm trying to resist the urge and give him one last chance to prove he's not scum. I've seen too many scumslips from townies lately to trust one blatant contradiction to tell me everything I need to know about a player.