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In post 1644, Venmar wrote:

In post 1572, thezmon221 wrote:

In post 1520, Venmar wrote:Thezmons #1430 is probably a nice example of why we should not be lynching Rachmaria

Hey. You're probably one of those players who resists just for pride reasons, aren't you? 1490sums up the whole argument if you're gonna be like Mala and said, "buh buh but you're voting her cuz she's useless." Fact of the matter is, it's far, far deeper than that, and the uselessness is centered on total scum motivation. Go ahead and read some more after 1490 of Aj's posts on association and such, and then read a few of Muffin. All signs point to Rach scum.

I hated your Rach reasons cause you tried to make every one of her posts looks scummy no matter what. When you try to make every single little thing about a person scummy, then you're just trying to fit the person to the read ( lol hey majiffy you taught me this one right? ). You're trying too hard, you're also probably barking up the wrong tree mister.

No, SHE made them scummy. You CANNOT argue with me that she has provided meaningful discussion, has not done a ton of IIoA, and is an overall town player. I refuse to believe that. Go ahead and show it to me that she is. I already had all the case together when I had the read. Notice that I had consistently given reasons for those scummy players since my first post. I don't do the trivial fit-the-evidence-to-the-read shit.

You can go ahead and tell me what IIoA stands for/is, but i'm not going to argue with you on this.

bnb wrote:there are plenty of objective tells to work from there so why aren't you

I honestly didn't know people still used "scum tells".

Do you want me to break down why each of them is bad?

I would rather have you explain why you think Andrius is a good lynch by citing examples of his posts rather than claiming that tells make him scum.

My thoughts on Andrius are the same as they were back here:

Godly One wrote:Gut. I don't have any substantial reason here, so you're a maybe. I didn't like the overreactions in your first wall and I'm not following some of the conclusions you came to in your reads. If I had any strong reason for thinking you were scum right now, you'd be more than maybe-scum, but I don't.

Although I will say the wall this quote is from came off as a bit more townish. It'd help if you explained the SoS/BnB scum reads though, and why you're maybescum on FTL and nick.

This is still outstanding seeing as he hasn't posted since I asked him this, and I'm not comfortable enough with my read on him that I'm happy to lynch him right now.

Tell me why I should vote for him with something more specific than "he committed tells" or "meta".

Not even going to bother pointing out the differences between Andrius/RM, or why you're wrong about me ignoring Andrius because you're clearly not reading my posts about either of them.

In post 1651, Venmar wrote:You can go ahead and tell me what IIoA stands for/is, but i'm not going to argue with you on this.

Information Instead of Analysis.

In post 1653, thezmon221 wrote:

In post 1651, Venmar wrote:You can go ahead and tell me what IIoA stands for/is, but i'm not going to argue with you on this.

Information Instead of Analysis.

I'm really scared people will just say this is the case with my reads list and dismiss it entirely.

6846 words and counting, 7 hours of work on it so far.


-V

I also think that IIoA is kinda bullshit, because when you appropriately put two pieces of information in juxtaposition to each other, it creates a critical reading of the text. Analysis and reflection aren't always in the form of long-winded interpretations.

-V

I have a condition under which I'd be willing to vote Andrius right now, and that is if there is enough support for a lynch on him before Varsoon is able to post his reads list. Then if he gets killed N1, I'll have no regrets regardless of the Andrius flip. It'll be magical.

That should be *especially since* instead of 'because'.

-V

In post 1656, zMuffinMan wrote:I have a condition under which I'd be willing to vote Andrius right now, and that is if there is enough support for a lynch on him before Varsoon is able to post his reads list. Then if he gets killed N1, I'll have no regrets regardless of the Andrius flip. It'll be magical.

NO YOU MONSTER, YOU WAIT. I WILL HAVE AN ANEURYSM IF DAY ENDS BEFORE I CAN POST MY DAMN MAGNUM OPUS.

-V

In post 1652, zMuffinMan wrote:

bnb wrote:there are plenty of objective tells to work from there so why aren't you

I honestly didn't know people still used "scum tells".

Do you want me to break down why each of them is bad?

I would rather have you explain why you think Andrius is a good lynch by citing examples of his posts rather than claiming that tells make him scum.

My thoughts on Andrius are the same as they were back here:

Godly One wrote:Gut. I don't have any substantial reason here, so you're a maybe. I didn't like the overreactions in your first wall and I'm not following some of the conclusions you came to in your reads. If I had any strong reason for thinking you were scum right now, you'd be more than maybe-scum, but I don't.

Although I will say the wall this quote is from came off as a bit more townish. It'd help if you explained the SoS/BnB scum reads though, and why you're maybescum on FTL and nick.

This is still outstanding seeing as he hasn't posted since I asked him this, and I'm not comfortable enough with my read on him that I'm happy to lynch him right now.

Tell me why I should vote for him with something more specific than "he committed tells" or "meta".

Not even going to bother pointing out the differences between Andrius/RM, or why you're wrong about me ignoring Andrius because you're clearly not reading my posts about either of them.

I think andy is a better lynch cos to me he looks scummier than rach.

rach was asked to step it up and did so (even if some people are not happy with the results and are trying to paint this as scummy. it is like it does not matter what she posts players committed to their read will still find it scummy)

andy has not.

so you are scum reading andy but are arguing against his lynch when it have support last time I checked, I mean he has been in the lead for a good bit, cos of why? do you have a gut scum read on rach? if so do you see rach and andy being on the same team? do you think we are running 2 scum in competing bws?

Erm, that said, I do have to take a break to shower and get ready for a party I'm going to tonight. I'm about 2/3 done with this beast, so I'm looking at another 3 or 4 hours of work tonight before running it all by Metal Sonic. Luckily, Metal Sonic can read faster than light.

-V

Sigh. This game is moving so fast that I just have no hope of catching up at this point. Time to throw in the towel, I'm afraid.

I just PM'd Bork asking to be replaced, but before I go, I just wanted to take a moment to apologize to the player list. I'm sorry I was so useless this game. Please try not to let my poor play affect your opinion of my replacement too much.

Good luck, Town. I'll be cheering you on from the sidelines.

Oh, also:

UNVOTE:

@bnb,

It's debatable whether RM "stepped it up" - and it has nothing to do with painting everything she does as scummy. Are you ignoring the issues with her reads post or are you just dismissing it because ~reasons~?

My opposition to the Andrius lynch has nothing to do with whether or not there is support, but how strong my read on him is. I also have issues with the tail-end of the Andrius wagon (minus mac).

My read on RM is not gut-based.

Them being on the same team is a possibility I considered the very moment Andrius put his vote on RM (and actually played a factor in my gut read on him, because it's exactly what I thought he'd do if he was scum with RM). I'm not as sure of it now, or I'd be perfectly fine with voting Andrius (duh).

I'm not sure if it is two competing scum wagons. See last sentence of above paragraph.

In post 1663, zMuffinMan wrote:@bnb,

It's debatable whether RM "stepped it up" - and it has nothing to do with painting everything she does as scummy. Are you ignoring the issues with her reads post or are you just dismissing it because ~reasons~?

My opposition to the Andrius lynch has nothing to do with whether or not there is support, but how strong my read on him is. I also have issues with the tail-end of the Andrius wagon (minus mac).

My read on RM is not gut-based.

Them being on the same team is a possibility I considered the very moment Andrius put his vote on RM (and actually played a factor in my gut read on him, because it's exactly what I thought he'd do if he was scum with RM). I'm not as sure of it now, or I'd be perfectly fine with voting Andrius (duh).

I'm not sure if it is two competing scum wagons. See last sentence of above paragraph.

There are 19 other players to sort. This hypothetical stuff about conditions under which you'd move your vote around between these two bandwagons isn't moving the game forward.

OK.

Thanks for the tip.

In post 1661, Skullduggery wrote:Sigh. This game is moving so fast that I just have no hope of catching up at this point. Time to throw in the towel, I'm afraid.

I just PM'd Bork asking to be replaced, but before I go, I just wanted to take a moment to apologize to the player list. I'm sorry I was so useless this game. Please try not to let my poor play affect your opinion of my replacement too much.

Good luck, Town. I'll be cheering you on from the sidelines.

Sorry to see you go. I understand you're running a game and probably actually in a couple others and the speed of this one is ludicrous.

At the least, it was cool to have you, hope you follow along from the sidelines, and this makes reading your slot a bit easier on me!

Also-also, cool unvote.

-V

Mollie and SoS

What do you think of Mala

Okay, I'm finished, but I kinda ran out of steam near the end of it and skimped on some PBPA's, not like any of you rude dudes care all that much.
It took me 9.5 hours to finish (all of the work was done today) and I worked on it for at least 3 hours yesterday before my text got dropped off the face of the Earth.
I'm running it by Metal Sonic right now, but it's ~9,500 words in its current incarnation and gives up-to-date reads on everyone in this game, some of which... may surprise you.
Stay tuned.

-V

inb4 scumread on me

I dig the new avatar.
Also, no, I'm fairly protective of my town-read on you. :3

-V

NS y u change avatar

lol 9.5k words

no isos

all original content 95% by varsoon

value added

25 pages in microsoft word

holy shit

Because there's a teen titans craze ;-;

When I was little Terra was my cartooncrush

I'll put Illumise back in the future though :3