We Didn't Playtest This | Game over, everyone loses

[copper223]

BP from 1 of the scumfactions, ActionDan later claimed the same role.

[BBmolla]

Ah righto

[BBmolla]

Does the daycop get guilties on both scumfactions?

[Cerberus v666]

TPTG basically missed the part where I'm either conftown or obvscum

. ActionDan and I have claimed basically the same role (although I assume our protections are against opposite factions). Bulletproof is usually used in games with multiple kill shots as a balance measure. The most simple explanations for us both having bulletproof are as follows:

1.) We're each scum immune to the other scum team. This depends on there being two scum teams (which is mod confirmed according to some people, although I read the post as not quite confirmation). This also doesn't make sense in light of how the day played out. Why would a single scum team have two BP members? Positing us being on opposing teams, why would an opposing scum member out himself as having the same role as me as a reason to back my claim and say that I'm town? If I flip scum, doesn't that immediately put him in the gallows? While this explanation is one of the two most simple explanations for having two BP roles, it doesn't make a lot of sense given how the day unfolded.

2.) We're both town and immune to separate factions. This is much more supported by the way the day played out.


Having one town and one scum BP also seems like a possibility. If that's the case then AD will get town points if/when I flip and my claim is proven true. If he flips first and is scum I'll be mislynched. So I can conceive of a scum AD having faction specific BP; however, he doesn't read scummy at all, and if he were scum, why would he have put his neck on the line to save me?

So perhaps the penis obsessed hydra might want to re-evaluate its read on me.


Finally, Toon has been in the game and hasn't responded to questioning. Votes are the most effective way to get someone to take a push seriously and respond (See {Drixx} earlier this day phase).

Bolding mine.

mmm. Drixx inconsistency. Clearly stated at a point earlier that he and dan were practically conftown, is now claiming that no, he didn't say that. So....are you conftown, obvscum, or is just your role confirmed, and your alignment unclear?

[Cerberus v666]

Also, in the presence of at least one town shot, factional BP could easily make you BP vs town.

[Drixx]

Really Cerberus? Read the rest of the post after the bold. I explained why the most simple explanation would be that either AD and I are both scum (immune from each other's faction) or both town. I put the conclusion at the start of the post instead of the end in order to grab attention. You are literally the last person I would ever expect to cherry pick me.

[Drixx]

I don't know ActionDan's alignment. He doesn't know mine. The only case where this isn't true is if we're on the same scum team, and I'm fairy certain nobody thinks he's stupid enough to try and save me from myself at the point in the day when he intervened.

Why are you suggesting that I might be scum BP against town but not AD? If you actually think that, shouldn't you be equally suspicious of us both? Why are you trying to direct the narrative to a guilty result on me and ignoring other possibilities that are at least equally likely, if not more likely?

[Cerberus v666]

You misunderstand me. You said you were either conftown or obvscum, then went ahead to make a case for why you're conftown OVER obvscum, because conftown makes more sense logically. You then proceeded to say that you never said you were conftown. Which yes, technically, you didn't actually SAY you were, but you did lay out those two alternatives, then make a case for being conftown. I wasn't questioning you saying conftown/obvscum, I was questioning you saying that you had never claimed such.

[Cerberus v666]

You know me Drixx. I reserve all judgments. I'm equally suspicious of you both. Same way I'm suspicious of TPTG and Toon. Same way everyone should be suspicious of ChriVi and myself.

[Cerberus v666]

And, to be honest, I don't know any of these players, so I don't have respect for anyone's intelligence here other than your own...so I have no reason to suspect ActionDan isn't that stupid.

[copper223]

Because the way he came out to try and clear you for having the same role when the read at the time was that there were no cross-setup adaptations is more town indicative than your claim, but I never said Dan is confirmed town either.

[Narninian]

I don't see the claim in itself to be conftorm OR obvscum....
One person could be lying
They could both by lying
They could both be telling the truth and scum
They could both be telling the truth and town
They could both be telling the truth and one is town and the other is scum.

The claim says nothing about alignment, other than its impossible to prove.
Asking for specifics on what faction he's protected against is sketchy as hell, btw, unless you're already certain you plan on lynching/dayviging him anyway.

[Magua]

UNVOTE: VysePresident
VOTE: Jackel98

[Drixx]

I think Dan is almost certainly town. There's an edge case where a really clever scum could have made the play he did, but it doesn't make sense with what I

know

to be true. I can't rule it out completely, but he's the strongest town read I have (and not because of his intervention either ... I'm generally suspicious of anyone who seems sure of my towniness).

@Narnian - I wouldn't give the info on which faction I'm immune to, even if I'm at L-1 and even if Lucian is gonna kill me. All that does is clear up the probable immunity of ActionDan and assuming my read on him is right, harms the town and my wincon. Not. Ever. Going. To. Happen.

People should stop asking or speculating on whether I'm gonna give out that info, because I'm not.

[Cerberus v666]

I don't see the claim in itself to be conftorm OR obvscum....
One person could be lying
They could both by lying
They could both be telling the truth and scum
They could both be telling the truth and town
They could both be telling the truth and one is town and the other is scum.

The claim says nothing about alignment, other than its impossible to prove.

Asking for specifics on what faction he's protected against is sketchy as hell, btw, unless you're already certain you plan on lynching/dayviging him anyway

.

Agreed. Who was asking for that again? Is it one of the masons? If not, let's lynch them.

[copper223]

Narninian, would you take a 2500$ bet to win 5000$ 60% of the time and lose the 2500$ otherwise?

[Cerberus v666]

Oh, also, regarding Jackel: vanilla PR sounds like crap in this game. Terrible claim. It might exist, there's definitely room(unless copper has regular tracking in addition to his special one shot), but it doesn't fit.

Unvote. Vote: Jackel98

If you won't shoot him...

[copper223]

Ok now we are talking.

VOTE: Jackel98

[Cerberus v666]

Also, I'm pretty neutral on Drixx. I think the whole conftown because of similar roles thing is ridiculous, but it might be innocent ridiculous, and not scum ridiculous.

[LucianRoy]

Hoppin' the train.

Shiftin' the votes.

VOTE: Jackel98

[Cerberus v666]

Lucian shooting, btw, is only an actively GOOD play if it gets us information to allow us to make a better lynch today. It's an ACCEPTABLE play to remove a lurkerish possible scum. However, if Lucian doesn't shoot by D3 at the latest, we need to lynch him. Way too convenient reason for why scum wouldn't kill him, since he still gets his shot, and he has no town cred until he actually makes said shot.

[Marquis]

i misunderstood his role and thought it was only usable during day based on the discussion at the time

VOTE: jackel

though i think he might be lurky town, at this point i don't care enough to want to have to wait to sort these claims in particular

[vonflare]

I'll be V/LA for a little while.

SORRY

[LucianRoy]

Hey, vote Jackel.

[vonflare]

ok, if thats what popular opinion dictates.

VOTE: jackel

dont misuse my vote.