Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 1:37 pm
Well I'm just about ready to self vote and remove myself from the game like the other two lynches did.
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 1:51 pm
According to the VC smithers wasn't on his own final lynch.
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 1:53 pm
Well, if you really want to get lynched, self voting is a good way to convince me to put my vote back on you...In post 1650, Transcend wrote:Well I'm just about ready to self vote and remove myself from the game like the other two lynches did.
Honestly, if you are town don't do that crap. The game has been slow last few days, make your case and give some time for people to check in and respond. TBH I feel like the game is in a frustrating place right now, we have several good scum candidates but can't seem to make a good consensus on who to lynch first.
Persivul makes a decent point, and I am not convinced by the doctor claim. I'll put a vote on VOTE: Chip Butty if it will break the stagnation of the game.
But I think the mass claim idea has merit too. If everyone claimed, we could at least get a good sense as to whether the scum are hiding under doctor claims or cop claims, which would be nice.
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 2:56 pm
VOTE: Aneninen
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 3:30 pm
For the record:
There are thoughts I am, very deliberately, holding back from giving.
I actually am playing sub-optimally right now because of it, because I think that there's a huge payoff if I time things right.
There are thoughts I am, very deliberately, holding back from giving.
I actually am playing sub-optimally right now because of it, because I think that there's a huge payoff if I time things right.
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 6:06 pm
You keep accusing me of fence-sitting, but you refuse to furnish examples. In fact I have been doing anything BUT fence-sitting. I've already listed some of the strong stances I have taken so far.In post 1649, Persivul wrote:How many of his posts are particularly townie? The charge apart from activity is fence-sitting, and no, fence-sitting posts don't look particularly scummy. That's why it's effective.In post 1647, karnos wrote:Chip- Being in the unconfirmed pile, I would consider voting Chip, but I just don't see the strong case on him. I don't see any of Chip's posts as particularly scummy,
As for posting, now that Open 644 has ended and my other games are all in night phase, I can focus on this one. I think we need to take a close look at you on the basis that you are in the Shotty slot and you didn't get picked up as scum in the ill-fated predeccessor game to this one, Open 640. You've made a lot of fine noises in this game, but what have you actually ACHIEVED that is Town? Nothing. In other words, your play fits the pattern you established in Open 640, which I encourage everyone to read: See if you can spot a difference between Persi here and scum!Persi in that game, because I can't.
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 6:10 pm
Mind explaining what it is? All he seems to have said, as far as I can see, is that I haven't posted prolifically in what has been a very slow game, and a baseless accusation of fence-sitting...In post 1652, karnos wrote: Persivul makes a decent point
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 6:11 pm
Why Anen? I don't see where he has done anything perticularly scummy...
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 6:14 pm
In post 1657, Chip Butty wrote:Why Anen? I don't see where he has done anything perticularly scummy...
In post 1391, podoboq wrote:ANEN CASE
215, 216, and 217. At the time, I hated Anen's reads on players. That's probably a bit reactionary to the fact that he referred to my posts as "flailing" when it should be obvious to those in retrospect that I was just trying to be understood, and mad at being L-1ed for unvoting a player I townread. Altogether, though, I don't like the "I think this post is towny, and this post is shitty, and this other post is shitty, therefore these players are a scum team" style of gameplay. That's what these posts are, they're Anen's first real pieces of content in the game, and it will end up being the bulk of his playstyle.
This trend of opinion with a lack of analysis continues in 279.
I find this to be really wonky, and I'm inclined to think it's scummy. It's the first time Anen actually interacts directly with a player, and it seems pedantic. It looks like he's trying to establish a reason to conclude that Smith is town, then uses any response as a justification for drawing that conclusion. Why would Anen do that as scum? To justify pushing the counter to Smith, which falls in line with his scumread on me. It's like a reverse chainsaw, if I'm understanding chainsawing correctly.Spoiler: the reaction test
If the player Anen townreads votes him, he calls it evidence of him being town, while in Transcend's case, it's scummy, even though they have basically the same context. He also uses this chance to refer to his wagon as not viable, which is cute.Spoiler: response to votes on him
The next several posts are somewhat contentless, so I'm not going to delve deep onto them, but if you read the ISO yourself you can see what I'm talking about. Anen isn't directly interacting with players and isn't providing enough explanation of his opinions for my liking.
I actually really like this. Anen gets more open around deadline. This is the biggest thing that would make me want to keep Anen around. However, this activity near deadline could be because all of the available people to lynch are town, and Anen is going for town points because no matter who flips, Anen gave a little sighing disapproval beforehand.Spoiler: almost deadline post
In day one, Anen believed that there was most likely one scum between me and Penguin, but not two. Since I'm confirmed to him now, he should probably be going after Penguin, but the only mention of him today is in 1338. I would have expected more focus from town.Spoiler: reaction to karnos claim
So there are a few actual things in hear that I find scummy, but mostly, it's the lack of appropriate town play. Townies should engage other players, appear to be searching for town and scum, and also provide reason why they read people the way they do. Quoting a post and calling it "pigeon poop" doesn't cut it, so I only see searching for town and scum, and that's just not good enough for me, especially since I don't think the conclusions that Anen has drawn are all that great.
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 6:28 pm
Oh, okay...I thought you might have something more. Actually I need to revisit that, and re-evaluate.
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 6:31 pm
I'll post today.
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 6:34 pm
I mean, something more recent...Your post and your vote were kind of far apart from each other...
Ninja'd Anen
Ninja'd Anen
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 6:43 pm
True, but what I am not seeing is why you are coloring green several players whose claims are not substantiated, or who have been the targets of unsubstantiated investigations. You are in danger of makking some players undeservedly look confTown. I'm not saying that it is scummy at this point, but it could def hurt Town.In post 1636, karnos wrote:There was a kill n2, your claim doesn't really hold much water.In post 1633, Chip Butty wrote: What is wrong with you lot? Yet again, read 1568. That's a claim of N2 Doc saving MC.
In post 1636, karnos wrote: Though, it does make me curious, anyone done the math to see if it might be worth mass-claiming at this point? I know from the previous incarnation of the setup that it's a bad move to make on day 1, but with so many roles already outed maybe it would help us sort the remaining scum.
LIVING PLAYERS
Ranger - doc n1
SirCakez - ?
MURDERCAT (replaces MurderCat) - ?
karnos - cop n1
Aneninen - ?
Transcend - cop n2
Persivul (replaces drmyshottyizsik) - ?
Chip Butty - doc n2
PenguinPower - doc n3
podoboq - cop n5
Dead Players
Smithereens, Town Cop, was lynched Day 1.
Dunnstral, Town Doctor, was lynched Day 2.
DixC, Town Cop, was killed Night 2.
If all claims are true so far, we have 5 cops and 4 docs. That leaves one town cop or doc, and 3 scum. If the un-claiming players all claimed, it seems like it would be a pro-town result to me.
Actually, if we assume ranger's vouch for murdercat is legit, which I think we should, murdercat should be the LAST claim, as we know and trust he is town. This forces any scum in the unconfirmed players to pick roles before they know for sure what is potentially possible in the setup.
Is there ANY way this could hurt town? Don't start claiming unless the majority think it's a good idea, but a this point I think it makes sense.
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 6:46 pm
And here is the original version of what karnos is doing. Sure, "if we believe all claims", but why should we believe them? They are for the most part unverified and unsubstantiated.In post 1579, Persivul wrote:UNVOTE:
Let's see where we are:
N1:
Ranger claims doctor, protected murdercat, no kill N1.
Karnos claimed cop, innocent on podoboq
N2:
Transcend claimed cop, innocent on penguin
Claims plus flips:
Cop:Smithers, DixC, Karnos, Transcend
Doctor:Dunnstral, Ranger
Unclaimed: Persivul, Aneninen, Chip Butty, PenguinPower, MURDERCAT, SirCakez, podoboq
PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'VE MISSED SOMETHING
If we believe all claims:
Ranger, Murdercat, Karnos, Podoboq, Transcend, Penguin
Persivul, Aneninen, Chip Butty, SirCakez
We're at 7:3. If no doc saves, tomorrow is 5:3 mylo, then NL for 4:3 lylo.
We have 0 - 2 investigations remaining.
If we believe the claims, we lynch in {Persivul, Aneninen, Chip Butty, SirCakez} today.
VOTE: Chip Butty
Totally fenceshitty ISO.
Is it coincidence that both are using this approach to throw shade on me?
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 10:45 pm
I think Ranger is town because I don't get how scum could no kill night 1.In post 1654, Ranger wrote:For the record:
There are thoughts I am, very deliberately, holding back from giving.
I actually am playing sub-optimally right now because of it, because I think that there's a huge payoff if I time things right.
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 10:55 pm
VOTE: cake
Gunna stick with this. I think a mass claim might be good, although not getting a cop guilty in this setup is pretty rough. It will narrow our pool down though.
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 11:16 pm
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 11:20 pm
What's the point of the VCA? Looks like cakez parked for long periods, then hopped opportunistically toward the end. Is that it , or is there something else?In post 1665, MURDERCAT wrote:VOTE: cake
Gunna stick with this. I think a mass claim might be good, although not getting a cop guilty in this setup is pretty rough. It will narrow our pool down though.
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 11:22 pm
Ranger dramaIn post 1654, Ranger wrote:For the record:
There are thoughts I am, very deliberately, holding back from giving.
I actually am playing sub-optimally right now because of it, because I think that there's a huge payoff if I time things right.
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 3:40 am
Transcendence looks.......a bit better.In post 1661, Chip Butty wrote:I mean, something more recent...Your post and your vote were kind of far apart from each other...
Anen still looks bad for all the reasons I pointed out in the case, (I voted for him then too).
Anen hasn't been posting, despite getting of V/LA, and despite saying that he'll swoop in and join the conversation once he gets off of V/LA.
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 3:57 am
Yo, whoever is townreading Transcend, can they talk to me why?
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 4:23 am
I'm sick and tired of having to act like a nuisance in order to not get scumread in these games.
Chip's been scumming hard the past couple of posts.
Chip's been scumming hard the past couple of posts.
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 4:24 am
Persivul is shitting town to me right now
My name is Transcend. Not "Trascend" or "Transcendence".
My name is Transcend. Not "Trascend" or "Transcendence".
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 4:35 am
He claimed cop with an inno on penguin.In post 1670, SirCakez wrote:Yo, whoever is townreading Transcend, can they talk to me why?
Penguin makes sense as a town investigation target - he was up to L-1 at one point, so a lot of people find him suspicious, and transcend was on the wagon himself.
Scum fake claiming prefer to go with doctor, as claiming cop creates a conftown.
Penguin does not make sense as target for a scum fake claim. As noted, he was already at L-1, so he's a potential mislynch. You don't fake conftown someone who you see as mislynchable. You fake conftown someone who you think you'll need to NK anyway.
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 5:09 am
I kinda wish in hindsight that I checked karnos b/c if I greened him it would clear him AND podoboq. If I redded him it wouldn't make podo red but it would make people less trustworthy of him than they are now.
I still think they're both town, but now I'll have no idea.
I still think they're both town, but now I'll have no idea.