Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:29 pm
Officially, if Math does not post within 24 hours, I'm prodding him, since I believe the timer was almost up the end of Day 1. If he does not respond, he will be replaced.
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Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:38 pm
These past few days have been pretty crazy so my brain has sort of done what is essentially a hard flush of this game over the night. I know there were hanging questions about reading skitter and the worst and etc etc so I might reread but I also might ignore those questions, unless it really really really bothers you that I'm doing that.
I remember someone was scumreading me for being too confident or something adjacent to that, and that really annoyed me, so please stop doing that!
I remember someone was scumreading me for being too confident or something adjacent to that, and that really annoyed me, so please stop doing that!
Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:40 pm
I think we should potentially look into hypoclaiming today, but I'm not sure how exactly it would work.
Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:40 pm
What is hypoclaiming?In post 1652, Bernie Sanders wrote:I think we should potentially look into hypoclaiming today, but I'm not sure how exactly it would work.
Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:41 pm
At minimum, no full readslists though.
Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:44 pm
If I did anything that would signify my target is likely town on mechanics upon my flip I targeted X
If I did anything that would signify my target is likely scum on mechanics upon my flip I targeted Y
is prob the best you can do something like this
idk how successful hypoclaiming might be; idk how good people will be able to keep up the fake townread and/or scumread, which would presumably help scum sort out the relevant prs if enough people don't do it well
If I did anything that would signify my target is likely scum on mechanics upon my flip I targeted Y
is prob the best you can do something like this
idk how successful hypoclaiming might be; idk how good people will be able to keep up the fake townread and/or scumread, which would presumably help scum sort out the relevant prs if enough people don't do it well
Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:46 pm
Actually I'm not sure it's a good idea. Mathdino thoughts?
Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:49 pm
Okay, follow up: what does justification mean to you?In post 1649, Shoshin wrote:Yes and yes.In post 1648, Nauci wrote:Can you explain what you meant by refusing to post justifications (about gamma potential partners) day 1? Is it that justify and explain mean different things to you?
Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:55 pm
My answer is still Keyser but we’ll see. It mostly comes from townleaning Skitter still and switching between scum/null-reading Keyser
Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:00 pm
Errant do you have any strong reads at this point?
If not, please gather and offer reads on all players on Gamma’s lynch as you have time.
If not, please gather and offer reads on all players on Gamma’s lynch as you have time.
Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:02 pm
VOTE: momrangal
Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:04 pm
VOTE: momrangal[/] because wowwww Mom talking about Gamma is terrible and gross in retrospect
Examples to come
Pedit: same
Examples to come
Pedit: same
Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:08 pm
In post 513, Momrangal wrote:Irrelephant11
Shoshin
stungun0404
Keyser Soze
Mathdino
Bernie
Nauci
the worst
northsidegal*
Invisibility
Gamma Emerald
skitter
That's where I stand. Moved invis with meta considered
In post 470, Momrangal wrote:Stun-town
Keys???town
Mathprobtown but I'm probably gonna flip back and forth there
Gamma??? Worth looking into
Elephant???town
Nanci???
Sho???
Skit???
DUCCKKKKYYYYYY!!!!if scum, never playing with Gemini again
NSG??
Bernie???town
Mentally I'm on page 9, but I don't know invisibilitys meta. I've never played and I pulled something I thought was scummy and rolled with it. I know you touched on it once but like, even if it is his meta whats stopping him from being scum here? If it's his meta it should be NAI and you shouldn't be town reading him off that.
In post 1188, Momrangal wrote:I'm hung up on it.In post 1179, Shoshin wrote:Mom, what's your current read on Gamma?
Gamma is not town, and makes sense as scum but at the same time something doesn't feel right.
Wagon comp could be better and I may be hung up on the fact that Bernie is on there. It doesn't seem like much of a bus placement but in my mind, both Bernie and gamma have decent chance of flipping scum but I don't see much associations between them.
That aside, I feel like gamma has been getting a little bit more engaged and I don't want to discourage that especially when I think I see some probing I don't remember coming from scum gamma
In post 1268, Momrangal wrote:Guess it means I'm scum getting cold feet from a Gamma!busIn post 1250, skitter30 wrote:this post is gross and fence-sitty. 'gamma is not town, and makes sense as scum but at the same time something doesn't feel right' - like what does this even mean?
Realtalk tho, you're pulling this out of context
Sorry about the order of quote I’m on mobileIn post 1297, Momrangal wrote:Duck.In post 1287, Gamma Emerald wrote:What do you think of {mathdino, tw, nm}, especially compared to other times you've seen them? In addition, are there any people you'd like me to reconsider my read on?
Also, NM posted like, once? I feel like I remember him posting alot more as town and I expected him to make a bigger entrance here now that you've brought him up.
I actually townread math which IDK how to really take considering I usually scumread him regardless of his alignment. Objectively speaking, though and in a vacuum everything he's done is straight null alignment wise. Nothing he's done is outside his range of play as scum but I have a gut feeling that he isn't here, and it may be his progression.
Duck, I've stated my thoughts on him multiple times, and I am not really seeing the lack of spirit that everyone else seems to see. I don't think he's played like he did when he was scum though this fade is a little weird, but I think it's entirely plausible that this game may have slipped his mind. I also see him as town based off something that I don't really want to talk about
VOTE: momrangal
Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:09 pm
VOTE: mom
ftr i consider irrelephant's vote suspect given that he was hard townreading her yesterday for little reason and i literally called out all of her bad interactions with the gamma wagon yesterday repeatedly
p-edit: yes, all of those
ftr i consider irrelephant's vote suspect given that he was hard townreading her yesterday for little reason and i literally called out all of her bad interactions with the gamma wagon yesterday repeatedly
p-edit: yes, all of those
Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:24 pm
I’m estimating two scum on wagon and one off
Those of you off the wagon, since Gamma is town, which of the other four off the wagon seem most likely to be scum?
Those of you off the wagon, since Gamma is town, which of the other four off the wagon seem most likely to be scum?
Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:28 pm
my biggest reads are keyser and bernie as town.
scummy off the wagon are skitter and momrangal but I'd have to read on how they interacted with Gamma prior for specific scumminess related to being off the wagon
scummy off the wagon are skitter and momrangal but I'd have to read on how they interacted with Gamma prior for specific scumminess related to being off the wagon
Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:43 pm
That's kind of weird when Skitter (and I, but less so) started the momrangal wagon and is the only reason it continued to be a thing at all.In post 1665, Errantparabola wrote:my biggest reads are keyser and bernie as town.
scummy off the wagon are skitter and momrangal but I'd have to read on how they interacted with Gamma prior for specific scumminess related to being off the wagon
Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:57 pm
You guys have got to stop town reading math
He's promised to come back and post several times, but I'm pretty sure every time he glances over, he sees that people are oddly town reading him and decides lol I can only make it worse by posting and fucks back off
I know because I suck at scumming and that was basically how I did it. And because Math repeatedly professes to suck at being scum.
Even NM has participated more at this point than Math and it's gross that we're letting him off the hook with some bizarre sort of elder respect or "seems good" approach.
It's even more questionable than the mysterious stubborn town reads of mom all of day 1
Outside of that though, I still scumread momrangal.
But this game doesn't look like it's going to progress at all w/o the half of the game who have been left behind actually participating so I'm de-prioritizing this versus bootcamp for now. I guess I need more than 3 hours of sleep a night...
Irrelephant, after all we learned from teh newbie game, why do you still think that wagon analysis has credence? What are you basing it on? Hunch? Statistics? Why is on/off wagon such an important measure to you? Does the VT flip factor into it? How?
What does "gross" mean WRT mom's posts on Gamma? If you think Mom is scum, does that affect your read of Bernie?
What about Keyser's end of day behavior makes you FOS him?
Your posts fell back into complacent/shallow as soon as we backed off the pressure on you and I don't like that one bit
He's promised to come back and post several times, but I'm pretty sure every time he glances over, he sees that people are oddly town reading him and decides lol I can only make it worse by posting and fucks back off
I know because I suck at scumming and that was basically how I did it. And because Math repeatedly professes to suck at being scum.
Even NM has participated more at this point than Math and it's gross that we're letting him off the hook with some bizarre sort of elder respect or "seems good" approach.
It's even more questionable than the mysterious stubborn town reads of mom all of day 1
Outside of that though, I still scumread momrangal.
But this game doesn't look like it's going to progress at all w/o the half of the game who have been left behind actually participating so I'm de-prioritizing this versus bootcamp for now. I guess I need more than 3 hours of sleep a night...
Irrelephant, after all we learned from teh newbie game, why do you still think that wagon analysis has credence? What are you basing it on? Hunch? Statistics? Why is on/off wagon such an important measure to you? Does the VT flip factor into it? How?
What does "gross" mean WRT mom's posts on Gamma? If you think Mom is scum, does that affect your read of Bernie?
What about Keyser's end of day behavior makes you FOS him?
Your posts fell back into complacent/shallow as soon as we backed off the pressure on you and I don't like that one bit
Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:31 am
he's been offsite for a few days with irl stuff
focus elsewhere nauci.
focus elsewhere nauci.
Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:48 am
I forgot to do a votecount before work this morning. Sorry, only one today
Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:18 am
Sorry, what part are we scumreading here? The way I'm voting your scumread? Or the way my read on Mom changed to match new information? (Or some third option, don't let me box you in)In post 1663, skitter30 wrote:VOTE: mom
ftr i consider irrelephant's vote suspect given that he was hard townreading her yesterday for little reason and i literally called out all of her bad interactions with the gamma wagon yesterday repeatedly
p-edit: yes, all of those
because Thor's wagon analysis was correct in that game, and it's extremely hard to lynch town without scum's help. It's also just an estimation based on how the lynch and the counterwagons felt at the timeIn post 1667, Nauci wrote:Irrelephant, after all we learned from teh newbie game, why do you still think that wagon analysis has credence? What are you basing it on? Hunch? Statistics? Why is on/off wagon such an important measure to you? Does the VT flip factor into it? How?
What does "gross" mean WRT mom's posts on Gamma? If you think Mom is scum, does that affect your read of Bernie?
What about Keyser's end of day behavior makes you FOS him?
Your posts fell back into complacent/shallow as soon as we backed off the pressure on you and I don't like that one bit
"gross" has a pretty obvious connotation here
If you're asking me to explain the read, it's how mom had Gamma in her scumpile right up until he became a viable lynch, at which point she said the weird thing that skitter challenged and stayed off the lynch. Out of the people off the wagon, she certainly had the worst progression. I don't know yet if she's the lynch I want today, but it's a start
Though... isn't Mom actually V/LA? Maybe I should come back to her.
Nothing specific is coming to mind about Keyser's EOD that was AI, why do you ask?
Disagree, I've been on mobile a lot lately but my play is not shallow, I'm pushing players to give us all more to sort from, and making sure things get noticed that need to. I'm town. Moving on.
Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:20 am
Also I'm basing VCA thoughts on thisIn post 1667, Nauci wrote:Irrelephant, after all we learned from teh newbie game, why do you still think that wagon analysis has credence? What are you basing it on? Hunch? Statistics? Why is on/off wagon such an important measure to you? Does the VT flip factor into it? How?
But wait, if you think VCA is so useless, what is this for??? Sounds like you're admitting it's just LAMIST
In post 1644, Nauci wrote:Speaking of which, Keyser's vote wasn't reflected in the final vote counter.
I just finished updating mine. I messed up a thing and the first 3 votes weren't showing up but it's fixed now.
Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:34 am
I agree with this read of Bernie EOD1, though I'm curious why you (Nauci) think mom/bernie s/s would be weirdIn post 1638, Nauci wrote:Weirdly enough, I read that progression as more town motivated because I couldn't see why he would wait until the last last last minute to pull out an incriminating meta dive, especially when Keyser had just made the momrangal wagon also viable. Unless mom-bernie actually is s/s which would seem weird too.
Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 3:07 am
D2 to-do list
- I'm going to relook at the D1 read progression by [Mathdino, Shoshin, Not_Mafia, Gustavo, the worst, Irrelephant11, Bernie Sanders] on Gamma (I do not expect the whole scum team to be in here. But neither have I ruled out it being a full-town-wagon. I am hoping to sift out the
opportunistic scum
from the frustrated townie
.)- Then I'm relooking at Bernie Sanders-Momrangal post Gamma t/flip.
- relook at the nature of my Gustavo t/read (strong town connection with stungun0404, but I do not share the same trust factor with Gustavo).
- a final sanity check on Nauci (developed into one of my strongest town reads vs scum-Nauci who knew I was town when defending me).
Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 3:12 am
VOTE: keyeser
Really hate when people say they are going to do stuff instead of actually doing it.
Really hate when people say they are going to do stuff instead of actually doing it.