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Post Post #1650 (ISO) » Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:53 pm

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I wasted so much good townspew I should have saved for a scum rand in an easier setup
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Post Post #1651 (ISO) » Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:59 pm

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just reuse it, I can't foresee anything negative happening
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Post Post #1652 (ISO) » Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:08 pm

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I'm going to play a mafia game in 2032, roll scum, paste at least 4 exact quotes from this game with only player names changed, win, and quote this post in postgame
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Post Post #1653 (ISO) » Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:12 pm

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wait is that a trust tell maybe I can't do that
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Post Post #1654 (ISO) » Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:14 pm

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Tragically, it would be better if you didn't
I think quoting yourself as scum should be mandatory though, if you don't make funny posts as scum then you're not maximising how much fun you can have in this game
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Post Post #1655 (ISO) » Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:16 pm

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In post 1648, Wooper wrote:I hope I get to play in one of your games
+1 tbh
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Post Post #1656 (ISO) » Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:17 pm

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Bold to think we’ll still have internet in 2032
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Post Post #1657 (ISO) » Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:34 pm

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I want to try modding the 10:5 version of this setup and seeing if that skews the balance the other way.

Thank you for modding Morning Tweet! Fantastic flavor

Also a very nice player list it was a fun game
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Post Post #1658 (ISO) » Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:37 pm

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In post 1646, Morning Tweet wrote:In particular, Cthylla's early page 5 call out of the entire team from their interactions seeming fake, as well as Hayasaka having trouble deciding on which member of the mafia to condemn while in Heaven both took me aback lol
I was probably the person the most afraid of seeing the result of the Isis flip lmao.

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Post Post #1659 (ISO) » Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:45 pm

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I tried to find a past game with town being heavened round 1 to see how they approached it to see if that would help me out.
The only game I found involved someone voting RC for being RC lol.

Not sure how I feel about balance of this setup, looking back I saw scum win it but it feels town sided especially for the current quality of play on site.
The scum wins I found were back from a time I don't consider towns to be as good as they are nowadays.
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Post Post #1660 (ISO) » Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:46 pm

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Oddly enough I was totally fine with helled since I knew I would the most likely candidate if town was someone else and got helled.
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Post Post #1661 (ISO) » Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:54 pm

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Hayasaka, you were great. The Isis call was not one I would've been able to make.
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Post Post #1662 (ISO) » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:02 pm

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Yes, me too ^

I was more paranoid about Dann than Isis, to be honest.
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Post Post #1663 (ISO) » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:02 pm

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And sorry Walter. It wasn't fair you going to hell.
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Post Post #1664 (ISO) » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:07 pm

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Its all good clidd
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Post Post #1665 (ISO) » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:08 pm

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Haya with excellent play!
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Post Post #1666 (ISO) » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:24 pm

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gg!
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Post Post #1667 (ISO) » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:25 pm

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In post 1657, Dannflor wrote:I want to try modding the 10:5 version of this setup and seeing if that skews the balance the other way.

Thank you for modding Morning Tweet! Fantastic flavor

Also a very nice player list it was a fun game
Not sure why you would expect it to? It's still a 2:1 ratio of town to scum.
I know there's the "towns throw larges" thesis but it seems weak in comparison to plenty of test info about this ratio and how strong town's advantages look on paper.
Is there something else I'm missing?
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #1668 (ISO) » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:33 pm

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In post 1667, Isis wrote:Not sure why you would expect it to? It's still a 2:1 ratio of town to scum.
I know there's the "towns throw larges" thesis but it seems weak in comparison to plenty of test info about this ratio and how strong town's advantages look on paper.
Is there something else I'm missing?
- Town win if they achieve send 4 scum hells.
- Scum win if they send 3 to heaven or win a judgement day.
- After sending a 3rd scum to Hell the game will no longer have heaven phases.

Do you think that would be enough?
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Post Post #1669 (ISO) » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:36 pm

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I don’t get white flag tbh it seems to disproportionately townsided setups
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Post Post #1670 (ISO) » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:40 pm

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In post 1667, Isis wrote:
In post 1657, Dannflor wrote:I want to try modding the 10:5 version of this setup and seeing if that skews the balance the other way.

Thank you for modding Morning Tweet! Fantastic flavor

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Not sure why you would expect it to? It's still a 2:1 ratio of town to scum.
I know there's the "towns throw larges" thesis but it seems weak in comparison to plenty of test info about this ratio and how strong town's advantages look on paper.
Is there something else I'm missing?
No there's not

I probably shouldn't expect it to
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Post Post #1671 (ISO) » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:40 pm

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In post 1669, Menalque wrote:I don’t get white flag tbh it seems to disproportionately townsided setups
Generally it's completely mountainous when I think evens it out

and the WIFOM that surrounds associations could be considered scum sided
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Post Post #1672 (ISO) » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:44 pm

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I wonder if two people could have a secret agreed council where they approve of the judged person?
K this is taking away from vanilla.
Or have a scum role for heaven that says during h1 to h2 phase select one player they may not be heavened this phase.
Or have a scum Idk the role name where they are elim in a hell phase if not judgement then take someone along with them.
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Post Post #1673 (ISO) » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:50 pm

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In post 1668, Hayasaka wrote:
In post 1667, Isis wrote:Not sure why you would expect it to? It's still a 2:1 ratio of town to scum.
I know there's the "towns throw larges" thesis but it seems weak in comparison to plenty of test info about this ratio and how strong town's advantages look on paper.
Is there something else I'm missing?
- Town win if they achieve send 4 scum hells.
- Scum win if they send 3 to heaven or win a judgement day.
- After sending a 3rd scum to Hell the game will no longer have heaven phases.

Do you think that would be enough?
Is this all for a 10:5? Yeah, I think that's good enough to try out for a 10:5.
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Post Post #1674 (ISO) » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:54 pm

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That looks pretty good
60% scum in heaven is a better ratio
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