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In post 1647, PlusJOYED wrote:please elaborate.

I mean most of your middle reads are just "they've done towny things and scummy things and the towny things do/don't/kinda do outweigh the scummy things." But you just mention that things are or aren't towny without really explaining why? So it seems like it would have been very easy for you to, say, swap your townlean and weak townlean reads and change a few words, and they would still make sense. Except for the morph and Bell reads because those seem to be solid and based in real reasoning rather than handwaving-- probably because they're your strongest reads and you don't have to hedge or balance anything.

What’s the point of nitpicking that? Is there a read given all of that analysis SS?

-innocnetvillager

Like I guess I just don’t see the issue/AIness with being able to shift people around in the nully tiers given the explanations plus gave.

-innocentvillager

In post 1652, Secret Tunnel wrote:What’s the point of nitpicking that? Is there a read given all of that analysis SS?

Does there have to be for it to have been worthwhile?

In post 1651, Something_Smart wrote:

In post 1647, PlusJOYED wrote:please elaborate.

I mean most of your middle reads are just "they've done towny things and scummy things and the towny things do/don't/kinda do outweigh the scummy things." But you just mention that things are or aren't towny without really explaining why? So it seems like it would have been very easy for you to, say, swap your townlean and weak townlean reads and change a few words, and they would still make sense. Except for the morph and Bell reads because those seem to be solid and based in real reasoning rather than handwaving-- probably because they're your strongest reads and you don't have to hedge or balance anything.

oh I see. That makes sense. I like your mindset there.
The thing is, those middle slots are pretty subjective to change and be swapped around later; you're absolutely correct. I wanted to sort them here as best I could, but honstly, a lot of those middle slots I just don't know yet. For example, Maria only had like 25 posts last I checked. a
My gut on certain slots and how I intepreted certain town or scum slips was a big factor for deciding how much I townlean or scumlean a slot.
I can try to clarify why I weighted some slots if you'd like.

Also would like to see your readlist too SS

In post 1645, Something_Smart wrote:Update: it turns out the top two reads in that list are the only ones I really liked.

My theory is that +J's reads are not as pronounced as he's making them out to be and a lot of the people in the middle tiers were somewhat arbitrarily ordered.

It just pinged me because this ^ almost sounds like you found a reason to shade him here without committing to an actual read.

-innocentvillager

It feels like you are saying “this readslist is forced and arbitrary” but now you’re not committing to a read which is a bit incongruous.

-innocentvillager

Because I think it could be town forced and arbitrary, and I explained as much. There's no incongruity there.

he has done similar stuff before I mentioned in my readlist, to midway too when he said that bell asking for a readlist was forced
do you think that's a scumtell or a towntell iv?

Actually, I think +J confirming my theory makes perfect sense and it bumps him up a bit in my reads. As it's less likely a scum reaction to admit that you are not really confident in the readlist you just spent a while on.

morph
Bell, Bulge, +J
Maria, Tunnel
April, Muffin, Remilia, 420, Alisae
midwaybear

this is without rereading any posts

In post 1662, Something_Smart wrote:morph
Bell, Bulge, +J
Maria, Tunnel
April, Muffin, Remilia, 420, Alisae
midwaybear

this is without rereading any posts

You should read our midwaybear meta case, if you haven't, and then tell us why it's wrong.

I mean it very well could be not wrong. But midwaybear has... two completed scumgames? He's not exactly set in his ways.

In post 1664, Something_Smart wrote:two completed scumgames

Ish

Is the ish Hectic's troll game, because I'm not counting that.

Nope, but I can't say more.

Just suffice it to say that I'm pretty sure on that meta-pattern tell.

I don't have the custom title on my main for nothing.

O...kay.

I'll take your word for it and bump midway up two tiers, I guess. But I'm still skeptical.

It doens't have to be a permanent townread. I jsut think it's sufficiently strong to take mdiway out of the deep end of the alignment pool for today's elimination. And possibly more, pending other tells.

New chapter time.

Spay-half says...

I have put too much of my own thoughts and stances into the game thread already to get a solid GiF read this time, probably. If a solid GiF read happens, it will be for other reasons, than the usual. So, I'm quite content sorting this slot via Bork. I have Bork as a top tier townread. He shows irritability, trajectory of reads, that weird convergence/divergence that Bork and I do, where we often wind up with similar reads on some players but get there via different data streams. That's all town-bork. The slowness of forming a read on me is also town-bork, but I figure he's long since imported that into his scum repertoire, so it doesn't count to the same degree as other points do. During the confirmation stage and his one later appearance in the thread, GiF was hitting the tonal stuff beautifully but there was no hard analytical edge or squinty eyes in my direction and that would worry me if he weren't sick. On an objective basis, Remilia should have been higher in our first list. Bork's questions, trying to get us to commit on a zmuffin read (something we will do pretty soon!) is also classic borktown, even though I am notorious for holding back some of my reads both because I want them to settle and for strategic reasons, like getting a coveted solid GiF read.

Neuter-half says...

Even if we ignore the meta-book (More like an encyclopedia set) Borkgif has been in a unique spot several times where stirring the shit-pot would have been natural and easy to do. Instead, there's been back-off, re-evaluation, and air-clearing. Remilia truly is the best air freshener scent, sometimes. My reservation initially was that gif was lurking because more of this player list can read him over bork, but irl medical things gonna irl medical. I feel that the level of play has been consistent, and I am content to follow spayhalf to the ends of the earth on her brokread.

This marks the end of our top tier of townreads.

In post 1662, Something_Smart wrote:midwaybear

This is very sad. What's wrong with me this game?

In post 1667, morph the cat wrote:Nope, but I can't say more.

I don't want to either.

Cheeky bump