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In post 1647, Dunnstral wrote:

In post 1646, Gloria Cleary wrote:there was heavy resistance to Dunn.

There really wasn't

I hopped up to e-2 instantly and then some people switched

In post 1648, Dunnstral wrote:And the resistance was in fact to tgp

Yeah but they were town so I’m not getting your point? Why would scum put up resistance to a town wagon in a game where all towns are vts?

In post 1649, Infinity 324 wrote:

Gloria Cleary wrote:

In post 1644, Infinity 324 wrote:It’s more that scum would almost never vote dunn in that situation, and statistically there’s very likely at least one scum on that wagon (of 5 at its height, I believe)

Statistically, scum is far more likely to be on TOWN!TGP wagon, since there was heavy resistance to Dunn. Why would scum try to derail a wagon on TGP? That makes absolutely no sense.

The probability of a given set of 4 people currently alive having at least 1 scum (assuming 3 scum total) is about 75%. If dunn is scum, scum are just as likely to vote dunn or TGP since it doesn’t matter to them who gets limmed. If dunn is scum, scum would almost never vote dunn. Since 4 people excluding myself voted dunn, that group is likely to have at least 1 scum, so dunn is likely town.

Also yeah, there was almost no resistance to dunn.

Why would scum want to save TGP though? I don’t see how that makes any sense?

I mean why they? I can think of a few reasons why they would vote dunn there: it fits with their reads, they think TGP will be easier to mislim later, they think dunn could be more of a threat to scum, etc. Point being, they certainly wouldn't vote dunn if dunn was scum.

I don't know if this is relevant to much (@skitter?), but I found this paranoia progression from isis to be very towny.

In post 1652, Infinity 324 wrote:I mean why

wouldn't

they? I can think of a few reasons why they would vote dunn there: it fits with their reads, they think TGP will be easier to mislim later, they think dunn could be more of a threat to scum, etc. Point being, they certainly wouldn't vote dunn if dunn was scum.

So what you’re arguing is the votes and push on Dunn is from town, because I don’t understand what else you could be saying here? This is a game where all towns are vts. It isn’t a game where scum thought TGP was some secret PR because that’s really the only way your theory makes any sense. If scum know they’re getting a guaranteed mislaunch in TGP, they don’t try to derail that in a game where town are all vts, so whatever Dunn is, I read the votes/push on him as more likely to be coming from town than scum.

I just gave 3 reasons why scum might vote dunn in that situation.

In post 1655, Infinity 324 wrote:I just gave 3 reasons why scum might vote dunn in that situation.

In post 1652, Infinity 324 wrote:I mean why

wouldn't

they? I can think of a few reasons why they would vote dunn there: it fits with tgheir reads, they think TGP will be easier to mislim later, they think dunn could be more of a threat to scum, etc.

Point being, they certainly wouldn't vote dunn if dunn was scum.

Your first three points don’t make sense with the bolded though. If according to your theory, scum were pushing Dunn because it “fit with their reads” or “they thought TGP would be easier to mislim later” or they considered Dunn “more of a threat to scum” ( seriously why though?), how does that make sense with the bolded? If scum obviously wouldn’t vote Dunn if he was scum, then how doesn’t that make the push on him, more likely to have come from town?

I think we’re talking past each other so let’s work through this.

We have 4 possibilities:
There was at least 1 scum on dunn and dunn is scum: we both agree this is unlikely
There was at least 1 scum on dunn and dunn is town: I think this is the most likely scenario
There was no scum on dunn and dunn is scum: you think this is the most likely scenario, but I’m not convinced; it requires 4 players other than me to all be town, which is unlikely just by probability
There was no scum on dunn and dunn is town: also a possibility but unlikely by probability

You might be right that the act of voting dunn when town!TGP is getting run up is more likely to come from town, but the point still stands that a group of 4 players (fmpov) is likely to have 1 scum without mechanical evidence.

In post 1659, Infinity 324 wrote:You might be right that the act of voting dunn when town!TGP is getting run up is more likely to come from town, but the point still stands that a group of 4 players (fmpov) is likely to have 1 scum without mechanical evidence.

Alternative theory: Dunn could be scum with a buddy trying to push him for towncred but because of TGP wagon, I think Dunn push was more than likely town if he’s scum. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a game where scum tried to derail a counterwagon to town in all vanilla setup.

In post 1627, Infinity 324 wrote:VOTE: pooky I’ll talk about this a bit later, but I saw some scum!pooky aggression with their push on dunn before the elim. I also am not sure why they weren’t more concerned about a TGP elim given the above theory since it implies that TGP is town.

so the first part of this says my aggression on dunn is bad because its scum aggression?

the second part of this says i wasnt aggressive enough pushing for dunn over tgp?

am i crazy for reading this post this way??

I mean. It’s not that you weren’t “aggressive” enough against dunn, it’s that you weren’t trying to stop a TGP elim in any way.

pushing dunn isnt trying to stop a tgp elimn atjl. ktjdjrndnfnrjrndjdj

r y serrusosusj

im going to bed. u go to bed too then wake up and read what u r sayinf to me

But you were ok with both elims :/

Yeah I’ll rethink some stuff when I wake up

In post 1658, Infinity 324 wrote:I think we’re talking past each other so let’s work through this.

We have 4 possibilities:
There was at least 1 scum on dunn and dunn is scum: we both agree this is unlikely
There was at least 1 scum on dunn and dunn is town: I think this is the most likely scenario
There was no scum on dunn and dunn is scum: you think this is the most likely scenario, but I’m not convinced; it requires 4 players other than me to all be town, which is unlikely just by probability
There was no scum on dunn and dunn is town: also a possibility but unlikely by probability

Too much on probablility here

There was never really a case against me in the first place, it doesn't really matter whether it was town or scum that jumped on me (though I agree it's unlikely that they were all town)

OK the brain is doing a short circuit... I think I need to review my meds... which reminds me...

OK meds taken, brain still foggy, body still achey, and for some reason my internal monologue went brain still FWWWWOOOOGGGGYYY! and now all I can picture the Big the Cat, or Gatto El Grande as he's also known lol


I'm ngl, i kinda expected a meatier case on pooks from Infnity? Like I get the vibe and gut feeling and the aggression thing... and pooky isn't being as chill and fun as they were in DC - that said I'm not playing the same either so I can't really call it AI...

GLORIAAAAA is 1633 about hoppy</3 or Dunn duun DUUUUNNNNNNN? The pooky jump seems a little....??? Like I can understand why Infinity thought what he did about the SR being because lurky.

Pooky questioning counterwagons of the same alignment... I'm pretty sure I've seen two town aligned wagons before now...

Yeah there was like zero resistance to the Dunn Train, was kinda scary how fast that built up.

Scum maybe wanted to save LHF for the easy ELO?

I really don't get why TGP thought there was ways to get mechanical guilties or thinks there's some weird PR for town because of the "All town are vt!"

Pooky the stressy bear... has a point though.

The Dunn case was based on bad RVS reasoning and "bad responses", there was no real reason for the wagon there imo...

In post 1633, Gloria Cleary wrote:

In post 1622, skitter30 wrote:

In post 1619, Gloria Cleary wrote:He isn’t solvey and sorting players like he usually does as town

sorry is this about dunn or hopkirk? cuz i thought dunn at first and i would in no way agree with this assessment of dunn at all ^

I don’t know why, every towngame I ‘ve read of his, he has done more than he is here. He’s only given one townread so far: Flea and two maybe three scumreads: TGP, and now Pooky. And even that post he made about launching players due to their post count. he can’t bother to make actual reads or what?

At any rate Isis is a terrible vote. I strongly tr her pre-flip and it’s actually even stronger post-flip.

Dunno if this is Hoppy</3 or Dunn dunn duuuunn still.


... I think i've only got like 3 people left to actually vocalise a read about...

brain whai you do this? I don't even remember getting that quote!

I'm ngl, i kinda expected a meatier case on pooks from Infnity? Like I get the vibe and gut feeling and the aggression thing... and pooky isn't being as chill and fun as they were in DC - that said I'm not playing the same either so I can't really call it AI... ~Flea

In post 1663, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:pushing dunn isnt trying to stop a tgp elimn atjl. ktjdjrndnfnrjrndjdj

In post 1664, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:r y serrusosusj

In post 1665, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:im going to bed. u go to bed too then wake up and read what u r sayinf to me

Noraa makes every game fun. Noraa isn’t in this game. That said, these posts give me Death Curse pings.

In post 1667, Dunnstral wrote:

In post 1658, Infinity 324 wrote:I think we’re talking past each other so let’s work through this.

We have 4 possibilities:
There was at least 1 scum on dunn and dunn is scum: we both agree this is unlikely
There was at least 1 scum on dunn and dunn is town: I think this is the most likely scenario
There was no scum on dunn and dunn is scum: you think this is the most likely scenario, but I’m not convinced; it requires 4 players other than me to all be town, which is unlikely just by probability
There was no scum on dunn and dunn is town: also a possibility but unlikely by probability

Too much on probablility here

There was never really a case against me in the first place, it doesn't really matter whether it was town or scum that jumped on me (though I agree it's unlikely that they were all town)

Can you stop talking about anything other than you in this game or who’s pushing you etc. and actually talk about some other players and actually make reads?

I’m not extremely happy that is is probably the third time I’ve asked you this question and you continue to ignore it for some reason.

I will be keeping score if you also dodge this post as well. So besides tr Fea, sr Hopkirk and Pooky, what are your thoughts on the rest of the playerlist?

3rd time I’ve asked you this and next time you post in this thread I’m expecting an answer.

1668 @Flea, I’m definitely talking about Dunn. I don’t tr the fact that he continues to ignore my request to give reads and if he continues to dodge this, I will likely be voting him.

Pooky is a bad vote and Isis is probably my top tr. I also need to hear more from Hopkirk.

Hopkirk be awol, jessie has gone, Ydrasse nowhere to be seen, gypyx is on their own personal island and skitter be skittish....

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i’m here just disengaged entirely of my own fault :<