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In post 1647, Prism wrote:My instinct is that we should just gladiate it out and vote in me/bork today. Going to be crushing morale wise if we eliminate a town but this is unsalvageable from my perspective.

I'm not really feeling motivated right now, and predict lower energy days to come, which doesn't help.

i don't think we need to force that 1v1 tbh

Checking in. Obviously I missed some stuff while handling some family business.

In post 1649, fferyllt wrote:I don't. Not yet, anyway. Maybe I'm just too damn lost in the weeds. kinda feels that way. I wanted a stake in the ground. Cabd noped and Syr left me standing.

Am wondering what your angle was on this question.

And, ok, um, where are we unaligned on reads re: the list i posted yesterday?

In post 1644, Cabd wrote:What? He clearly townread syr. Your posts and Tammy's posts were obvscum but syr shone bright enough anyways.

please tammy is only obvscum when she replaces into a slot

In post 1647, Prism wrote:My instinct is that we should just gladiate it out and vote in me/bork today. Going to be crushing morale wise if we eliminate a town but this is unsalvageable from my perspective.

I'm not really feeling motivated right now, and predict lower energy days to come, which doesn't help.

that kind of thing is how towns lose games like this

In post 1653, petapan wrote:that kind of thing is how towns lose games like this

I think you're underselling how toxic this is, at least from my perspective, for one day let alone 2 or 3. I'd rather just be wrong and get it sorted or be right and do us all a public service.

I'm one vote though, not seven, and I don't really mind just disappearing for 3 days to a week until I get my energy back either.

This reads list?

In post 1257, borkjerfkin wrote:

In post 1236, fferyllt wrote:I feel so unsorted here. I know you and prism are yelling at each other and maybe that just gets in the way of seeing how your other reads are forming. It's fucking insane that I need more data from you, but such it is.

ok, stream of consciousness:

I like vax. Haven't liked any pushes on vax.
I scumread syr early but I think syr's been very town since the shitposting phase stopped.

I'm acutely aware that skitter has been on my side during this prism thing, but it seems like the sort of push that is almost necessarily not an SVS interaction with prism; it feels like it's plenty easy for scum prism to just go after me and ignore the cheerleading that skitter is doing for me.
peta just seems off and weird and interactions with prism are especially weird.

I have very little opinion on DGB. I think her style doesn't lend itself to a strong D1 read; to a certain extent this applies to pooky too but I think pooky just feels more town to me through various tonal aspects in the teen page regions
I'd put ben below both of them probably
mod pizza i need to reread - been mostly glossing over everything they post because it's been extremely focused on a narrow part of the playerlist.
Elements seems reasonable and pretty transparent but is not really something I can take to the bank with that ISO

I don't like that cabd has been cutting in at low impact times and staying away at high impact times. To even get him to comment on prism was like pulling teeth and that was at F-2. Cabd has also been really guarded about me and then throws me in top tier town suddenly which just I guess doesn't match the sort of attitude toward me I'd be expecting around that.
FFery, I notice also that you have prism pretty high up without really a reference to anything besides 129 and I'm wondering if you can elaborate on that considering

Do you have a strong townread? It sounds like if you do, it's Vax? I can't tell how this sorts out to tiers so I can't really tell if I agree with your sorting or not.

What are your thoughts on skitter's me-push?

I never answered your question about prism. I will get to it but not tonight. To do it right will take time and happy brain cells.

In post 1654, Prism wrote:I think you're underselling how toxic this is

assuming this is referring to me, you don't have to talk to me or whatever but i'm not trying to like, make this personal

i reread the 20-29 of this game with an active mind, and it's as thorny as i remember, not easy to get through. but it does clarify my view that the mod pizza slot is town. also reminded me of syr's swagger in those pages, which i liked.

It's not personal, but we're not talking anymore about the topic, reading it is misery as-is let alone with another game day or two, and it's not getting resolved without a vote. Colossal failure for both of us as town. Wipe hands, reflect, move on.

Demotivation/low energy I'm speaking about is very natural for me, it's not really because of anything you've done even though I have had to hold my tongue.

I respect you as a player. You're perfectly capable and even though some sections have me in complete disbelief and wanting to type all of Infinite Jest that's the nature of the game.

The dynamic is absolutely toxic but you are not.

In post 1655, fferyllt wrote:Do you have a strong townread? It sounds like if you do, it's Vax? I can't tell how this sorts out to tiers so I can't really tell if I agree with your sorting or not.

What are your thoughts on skitter's me-push?

yeah, probably vax.
back in a bit will get to this, wife aggro

In post 1658, Prism wrote:and it's not getting resolved without a vote

again i'm not sure it's actually as much of a 1v1 as you think it is

Maybe I'm setting the bar too high, bork.

I got to like page 10. I'll be back tomorrow.

In post 1654, Prism wrote:

In post 1653, petapan wrote:that kind of thing is how towns lose games like this

I think you're underselling how toxic this is, at least from my perspective, for one day let alone 2 or 3. I'd rather just be wrong and get it sorted or be right and do us all a public service.

I'm one vote though, not seven, and I don't really mind just disappearing for 3 days to a week until I get my energy back either.

do i have to make an impromptu version of the speech i was gonna give?

okay. throwback to 1451.

menalque said something early in the game about how he expected the most likely outcome of this game to be a town win. i don't really agree with that in principle. experience tells me, in a "stacked" game, the outcome is often a scum win. people get lost in ego battles, get frustrated, do dumb things, and eliminations get pissed away on people who have made themselves annoying. it becomes harder for the town players to find each other. but most of us knew what we were getting into when we signed up for this. this was not going to be a simple game. the players here know what they're doing. everyone here is at least capable of broadcasting the surface level appearance of being town. most of us aren't an easy elimination. benhalkum and vaxkiller, while good additions for the sake of variety, so that this game isn't one big pile of egos, are players of the puzzle box, mysteries to be solved, rather than beacons who make themselves obvious one way or the other. this is not likely to be a game where scum make themselves obvious and everyone converges easily. you're not going to catch people easily. instead, you just have to separate people into two groups - who has been town, and who has not been sufficiently town. we gotta figure each other out that way. it's still not going to be easy. it's going to be a wrestling match. you have to be willing to grind it out. it's going to be a struggle, and it's going to take time. the question becomes whether the town players lose their will to hunt before the scum players lose their will to maintain the facade. because i do truly believe the act of pretending to be town gets more mentally taxing and harder to maintain the longer time goes on. but that doesn't matter if the town players distract themselves and just end up fighting each other.


all of this is to say that i, and at least a few other people, i believe, don't really buy into your 1v1 and in my personal view insisting on it getting resolved is detrimental to the town wincon. i can try to go over your arguments and hopefully reach an understanding there but i want you to be willing to like...broaden your horizon, i guess?



on a somewhat related note i don't particularly have people arranged in an ordered list in my head and i think i need to do that.

I agree with peta ^
I think that forcing a 1v1 here is unnecessary and will ultimately harm the gamestate more than it will be helped.

I'm also not convinced that prism/bork is tvs and even, like, needs to be solved

Also peta is ++town (i think)

UNVOTE:

Going to bed. Busy day tomorrow so in all seriousness I expect to be sniping at stuff but no big heavy meaty posts until Friday.

I really don't know how to feel about that speech in that you definitely know you're presenting 0 new perspective to me there. It makes it feel very performative, but maybe you just want to drill correct practice into my head for its own sake.

I know this pretty harsh when I know you're trying to give me a peptalk/set me on the right course sorry.

Regardless, if it doesn't happen it doesn't happen, and I will sort accordingly as I am able.

In post 1667, Prism wrote:I really don't know how to feel about that speech in that you definitely know you're presenting 0 new perspective to me there. It makes it feel very performative, but maybe you just want to drill correct practice into my head for its own sake.

I know this pretty harsh when I know you're trying to give me a peptalk/set me on the right course sorry.

this was not directed at you in particular, it was something i had been meaning to say in general during the course of today. i wanna get some solid townreads and win this game and not have people eat each other alive. i think that can be done.

on a somewhat related note, when i snap voted pooky for voting you, you replied back to me that he was at a dead null. is that still the case for you?

I thought him snap inviting me after seeing DGB vote me was +town. Hypothetically it could cause problems for why he stayed on if the elimination actually went through.

Basically the only change. I'm sleeping now so can't really talk anymore tonight.

np cya

In post 1665, skitter30 wrote:I agree with peta ^
I think that forcing a 1v1 here is unnecessary and will ultimately harm the gamestate more than it will be helped.

I'm also not convinced that prism/bork is tvs and even, like, needs to be solved

Also peta is ++town (i think)

yes to everything here

In post 1663, notscience wrote:I got to like page 10. I'll be back tomorrow.

Just sheep me!

Syr, you sorta vanished into the ether last night, everything okay?