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Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:07 am
by T3
My theory was that all prs are mailmen.

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:23 am
by Almost50
In post 1647, MathBlade wrote:Why are you making the assumptions you have above?
1- Because I can
2- Because otherwise I'd have nothing to use but "gut" and "feelings" and you know how I hate those for scumhunting tools

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:25 am
by MathBlade
In post 1650, T3 wrote:My theory was that all prs are mailmen.
Random post here.
I disagree I don’t think that’s the case.
I think if this were true someone would have been claiming mail each day.
Has someone claimed receiving mail? I don’t remember this in my skim but maybe I missed it.

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:27 am
by MathBlade
In post 1651, Almost50 wrote:
In post 1647, MathBlade wrote:Why are you making the assumptions you have above?
1- Because I can
2- Because otherwise I'd have nothing to use but "gut" and "feelings" and you know how I hate those for scumhunting tools
I think there’s much better assumptions that can be made starting from knowledge rather than assumptions though.

Eg Yesterday was Mozamis V VFP.

This means either Mozamis is scum or there is scum in the town block because nothing else really happened.

How does your VCA change if Mozamis is scum?
If Mozamis is town?

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:28 am
by Almost50
In post 1648, MathBlade wrote:This is the grouping for group two.
You mean DAY TWO. Now, check that again. OBVIOULSY the 4 not in G1 are treestumps. G1 completely controls the elimination and these 4 do not influence the wagon in the least. It makes no sense to have more than 1 scum treestumped (tips off the scales towards town unnaturally, because the scum team is still alive in full, i.e. would be unfair). It makes no sense to have all 4 scums in the group of 13 either because that would be giving Scum more weight that they actually have (they should be 4 in 17, so why treestump 4 townies and nake them 4 on 13?)

So, logically (which this game isn't) the correct choice is 3 in 13 and 1 treestump in 4 (the exact NORMAL distribution)

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:30 am
by Almost50
In post 1650, T3 wrote:My theory was that all prs are mailmen.
That'd be sexist. Some should be fe"mail" "women" :P

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:32 am
by MathBlade
In post 1654, Almost50 wrote:
In post 1648, MathBlade wrote:This is the grouping for group two.
You mean DAY TWO. Now, check that again. OBVIOULSY the 4 not in G1 are treestumps. G1 completely controls the elimination and these 4 do not influence the wagon in the least. It makes no sense to have more than 1 scum treestumped (tips off the scales towards town unnaturally, because the scum team is still alive in full, i.e. would be unfair). It makes no sense to have all 4 scums in the group of 13 either because that would be giving Scum more weight that they actually have (they should be 4 in 17, so why treestump 4 townies and nake them 4 on 13?)

So, logically (which this game isn't) the correct choice is 3 in 13 and 1 treestump in 4 (the exact NORMAL distribution)
In that I see your argument but disagree with it.

In politics there’s something known as Gerrymandering.
It’s the idea that all of a certain group are combined together for the purposes of limiting its power.
Until we see a scum flip somewhere that supports your theory I don’t think that’s a valid assumption to make.
Especially since we just lost a jailkeeper that grouping could have been made to rebalance and give town a good shot and scum outside.

Until we get in schadd’s head and figure out why I think sticking to play and facts is better.

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:36 am
by Almost50
In post 1653, MathBlade wrote:How does your VCA change if Mozamis is scum?
If Mozamis is town?
I already established why I though he was Town.

IF he is scum though, I haven't done the work yet.

Also, you don't really want to rely on MY VCA. I do strange stuff and have no solid rules for it. It's unauthentic at best.

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:38 am
by MathBlade
In post 1657, Almost50 wrote:
In post 1653, MathBlade wrote:How does your VCA change if Mozamis is scum?
If Mozamis is town?
I already established why I though he was Town.

IF he is scum though, I haven't done the work yet.

Also, you don't really want to rely on MY VCA. I do strange stuff and have no solid rules for it. It's unauthentic at best.
I am not using it to rely on it.
I am using it to sort you and in a weird way mozamis.

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:39 am
by Almost50
In post 1656, MathBlade wrote:Until we see a scum flip somewhere that supports your theory I don’t think that’s a valid assumption to make.
You won't get "a scum flip somewhere that supports your theory" unless you do eliminate in my pool though. :lol:

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:39 am
by T3
In post 1652, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1650, T3 wrote:My theory was that all prs are mailmen.
Random post here.
I disagree I don’t think that’s the case.
I think if this were true someone would have been claiming mail each day.
Has someone claimed receiving mail? I don’t remember this in my skim but maybe I missed it.
Anya claimed mailman, mastina got a message not from either of them, Mom was also a mailman

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:40 am
by Almost50
Like, you literally just committed to voting one of my 4 suspects to test my theory. Either that or you have to get a scum flip outside of my 4 suspects to disprove my theory.

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:41 am
by MathBlade
In post 1659, Almost50 wrote:
In post 1656, MathBlade wrote:Until we see a scum flip somewhere that supports your theory I don’t think that’s a valid assumption to make.
You won't get "a scum flip somewhere that supports your theory" unless you do eliminate in my pool though. :lol:
Correct. It’s more your theory is one that’s really unfalsifiable and I hate those.
We could elim everyone off group to see if you’re right but I don’t think that’s smart strategically.
Having a foundation that’s an unfalsifiable assumption is bad.

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:43 am
by Almost50
In post 1658, MathBlade wrote:I am using it to sort you
You don't need to. You're either Town and should take it on faith that I am, or you're scum and
know
that I'm Town. My theory assumes you're Town (actually it doesn't. It
leads to the conclusion
that you are, based on other assumptions). Do you disagree?? :lol:

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:44 am
by T3
I'm going to reread to see if I can get more reads.

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:45 am
by MathBlade
In post 1660, T3 wrote:
In post 1652, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1650, T3 wrote:My theory was that all prs are mailmen.
Random post here.
I disagree I don’t think that’s the case.
I think if this were true someone would have been claiming mail each day.
Has someone claimed receiving mail? I don’t remember this in my skim but maybe I missed it.
Anya claimed mailman, mastina got a message not from either of them, Mom was also a mailman
Hmmm I will have to look at Anya’s ISO for that. Did Anya claim it under duress?
Mom was a mailman but only to who she jailed if I follow the flip correctly. (Btw hi mom I miss you!)
I don’t think everyone is a mailman though.
That would be weird and hard to keep track of.

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:46 am
by Almost50
In post 1662, MathBlade wrote:Correct. It’s more your theory is one that’s really unfalsifiable and I hate those.
We could elim everyone off group to see if you’re right but I don’t think that’s smart strategically.
Having a foundation that’s an unfalsifiable assumption is bad.
On contrary, it only takes ONE bad result to prove it wrong. You should support my elimination pool until we get a green flip in it. If one flips green THEN I'm proven wrong.

In other words; you do get a scum flip or prove me wrong TODAY. It's not THAT bad if you look at the other options.

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:46 am
by MathBlade
In post 1663, Almost50 wrote:
In post 1658, MathBlade wrote:I am using it to sort you
You don't need to. You're either Town and should take it on faith that I am, or you're scum and
know
that I'm Town. My theory assumes you're Town (actually it doesn't. It
leads to the conclusion
that you are, based on other assumptions). Do you disagree?? :lol:
Incorrect methods can get correct results.

I obviously do not disagree with the conclusion that I am town I just wanna make sure I am not starting with flawed assumptions.

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:48 am
by MathBlade
In post 1666, Almost50 wrote:
In post 1662, MathBlade wrote:Correct. It’s more your theory is one that’s really unfalsifiable and I hate those.
We could elim everyone off group to see if you’re right but I don’t think that’s smart strategically.
Having a foundation that’s an unfalsifiable assumption is bad.
On contrary, it only takes ONE bad result to prove it wrong. You should support my elimination pool until we get a green flip in it. If one flips green THEN I'm proven wrong.

In other words; you do get a scum flip or prove me wrong TODAY. It's not THAT bad if you look at the other options.
Uhm I don’t see how?

We would need 2+ scum in treestumps or none to invalidate your claim of 1 scum in three stumps.
Can you try again in a different way?

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:53 am
by MathBlade
In post 702, mastina wrote:
In post 684, Tsutsu wrote:
In post 682, mastina wrote:For the record her dying message to me (at least I am assuming it was from her) said that you were town. <3
Oh how interesting.
VOTE: Mastina
She targeted me last night
Well, last night, I was targeted by a mailman. They said they were a town odd-night combined mailman alien, that I was both roleblocked and rolestopped. (They apologized for blocking my actions, which is unfortunate, because I did use an action last night--ironically enough, *I* targeted *you*.) They then said they didn't have much more to say, other than townreading you, thinking I am town, and wanting thoughts on Auro; they gave me a code word to confirm it was from them. They also specified a way beyond the code word to reveal to me.

But I assumed it was from Momrangal doing a gambit, that she lied about being odd-night alien with her really being a jailkeeper and that the message originated from her.

I suppose my assumption could've been wrong, but I very much did receive a message with the above as the contents of it and it at least somewhat checks out since I know for a fact that my action on you failed.
Did a search for mailman to try to find Anya’s claim.

I still don’t find it and if someone could be a doll and help me out that would be awesome.

Mastina v Tsu seems to be a thing

It’s likely with the mason claim Mom visited Mastina and blocked her
Did we find out why Tsu thought Mom visited them?

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:54 am
by MathBlade
In post 1668, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1666, Almost50 wrote:
In post 1662, MathBlade wrote:Correct. It’s more your theory is one that’s really unfalsifiable and I hate those.
We could elim everyone off group to see if you’re right but I don’t think that’s smart strategically.
Having a foundation that’s an unfalsifiable assumption is bad.
On contrary, it only takes ONE bad result to prove it wrong. You should support my elimination pool until we get a green flip in it. If one flips green THEN I'm proven wrong.

In other words; you do get a scum flip or prove me wrong TODAY. It's not THAT bad if you look at the other options.
Uhm I don’t see how?

We would need 2+ scum in treestumps or none to invalidate your claim of 1 scum in the tree stumps.
Can you try again in a different way?
Ebwop autocorrect you suck

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:57 am
by MathBlade
Also mason + active power is rare.

I had that with Mom but I am not so sure it happens twice with this setup.

Mastina can you please explain?

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:33 am
by Flea The Magician
In post 1650, T3 wrote:My theory was that all prs are mailmen.
Given the
Evils of mail in ballots
... The nuts were you thinking? o.o

OK you're getting looked at, I think I needed a look at Gypyx as well.

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:34 am
by Flea The Magician
In post 1652, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1650, T3 wrote:My theory was that all prs are mailmen.
Random post here.
I disagree I don’t think that’s the case.
I think if this were true someone would have been claiming mail each day.
Has someone claimed receiving mail? I don’t remember this in my skim but maybe I missed it.
Noraa recieved mail, I can remember that much because it was MomMail<3

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:39 am
by Flea The Magician
In post 1664, T3 wrote:I'm going to reread to see if I can get more reads.
... we're D3...
In post 1669, MathBlade wrote:
In post 702, mastina wrote:
In post 684, Tsutsu wrote:
In post 682, mastina wrote:For the record her dying message to me (at least I am assuming it was from her) said that you were town. <3
Oh how interesting.
VOTE: Mastina
She targeted me last night
Well, last night, I was targeted by a mailman. They said they were a town odd-night combined mailman alien, that I was both roleblocked and rolestopped. (They apologized for blocking my actions, which is unfortunate, because I did use an action last night--ironically enough, *I* targeted *you*.) They then said they didn't have much more to say, other than townreading you, thinking I am town, and wanting thoughts on Auro; they gave me a code word to confirm it was from them. They also specified a way beyond the code word to reveal to me.

But I assumed it was from Momrangal doing a gambit, that she lied about being odd-night alien with her really being a jailkeeper and that the message originated from her.

I suppose my assumption could've been wrong, but I very much did receive a message with the above as the contents of it and it at least somewhat checks out since I know for a fact that my action on you failed.
Did a search for mailman to try to find Anya’s claim.

I still don’t find it and if someone could be a doll and help me out that would be awesome.

Mastina v Tsu seems to be a thing

It’s likely with the mason claim Mom visited Mastina and blocked her
Did we find out why Tsu thought Mom visited them?
Raw conviction and "Darling Tsunami", nora was/is scumreading me and mom, makes sense mom would message her.