Open 493 - Jungle Republic. (Game Over - Werewolf Victory)

Bacde · Post Post #1675 (ISO) » Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:29 pm

In post 1674, AngryBeavers wrote:
In post 1672, Syryana wrote:
In post 1671, Bacde wrote:Wouldn't it be just as optimal to lynch townies and NK mafia?

Why is it that a wolf necessarily wants to lynch mafia and NK townies?
I feel like we went over this somewhere before. Lynching townies and NK'ing mafia would end up with the same net result, but in my opinion lynching mafia would be safer from a wolf perspective since the wolf gets towncred for every successful mafia lynch that they participate in rather than possible suspicion from mislynching townies (depending on the mislynch, not all mislynches are created equal).
I don't really feel like this is true, since I don't think a single person in this thread has given someone town cred for lynching mafia, just not-mafia cred.

Obvious alt slip

Bacde · Post Post #1676 (ISO) » Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:29 pm

In post 1673, Syryana wrote:Bacde. Give us an updated list of reads please.

Right now it goes:

I think its a wolf: Syr

I think its probably not a wolf: everyone else

Syryana · Post Post #1677 (ISO) » Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:45 pm

Bacde wrote:I don't really feel like this is true, since I don't think a single person in this thread has given someone town cred for lynching mafia, just not-mafia cred.

Overtly, no. The effect I'm attempting to describe is much subtler.

In post 1676, Bacde wrote:
In post 1673, Syryana wrote:Bacde. Give us an updated list of reads please.
Right now it goes:

I think its a wolf: Syr

I think its probably not a wolf: everyone else

Why?

Bacde · Post Post #1678 (ISO) » Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:22 am

I'm wondering why G_M died right after she said she was going to make a case on you

I'm also curious as to why PP was so certain that there was a scum between you and me

Mac · Post Post #1679 (ISO) » Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:26 am

that didn't answer syryana's question

Bacde · Post Post #1680 (ISO) » Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:29 am

yes it did

Bacde · Post Post #1681 (ISO) » Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:30 am

Syr: Why do you think that I am scum

Bacde: Well, I'm wondering about these things (that seem to implicate Syr as scum)

It answers the question pretty well imo

Bacde · Post Post #1682 (ISO) » Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:33 am

Why was my answer insufficient, in your eyes Mac?

Bulbazak · Post Post #1683 (ISO) » Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:17 pm

Bacde, why do you think that Mac is town?

Syryana · Post Post #1684 (ISO) » Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:22 pm

In post 1678, Bacde wrote:I'm wondering why G_M died right after she said she was going to make a case on you

I'm also curious as to why PP was so certain that there was a scum between you and me

Seriously? You think I'm scum because of WIFOM and Princess OMGUS's reads?

Bulbazak wrote:Bacde, why do you think that Mac is town?

What are your current reads, Bulb?

Mac, what do you think of Bacde?

zabriel · Post Post #1685 (ISO) » Thu Jun 27, 2013 4:18 am

Vote Count 5.1

No Lynch (Syryana)

Day 5 will end in (expired on 2013-06-30 20:00:00)

Bacde · Post Post #1686 (ISO) » Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:24 am

In post 1684, Syryana wrote:Seriously? You think I'm scum because of WIFOM and Princess OMGUS's reads?

Yes seriously

Obviously I'm not 100% on it otherwise I'd be voting you and yelling and screaming and kicking all over the place

Bacde · Post Post #1687 (ISO) » Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:25 am

In post 1683, Bulbazak wrote:Bacde, why do you think that Mac is town?

I REALLY thought he was town d1, we meshed really well together and agreed on Klick being scum for a really good reason

now I'm less sure, it feels like he's trying to jab at me for things that are just obviously wrong, like telling me that I'm not answering questions that I clearly am

it weird, cuz yesterday I felt like his pressure on me was townie. Like, I was pretty lazy yesterday

Mac · Post Post #1688 (ISO) » Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:31 am

In post 1682, Bacde wrote:Why was my answer insufficient, in your eyes Mac?

because your answer is entirely based from other people's reads and actions and not your own.

tell me, why could wolf-Bulba, wolf-Mac or wolf-Bacde not kill off GM to frame Syr?

and PP's reads were terrible and she got hammered for that EXACT reason yet you seem to be acting like they are the foundations of the town and without them we will crumble. again, i don't know why you do not view other dead people's reads with a similar high-regard that you hold PP's reads with.

i feel like you are coasting your way through this game, especially yesterday where you did literally nothing for about a week despite me constantly jabbing you too. i feel like town bacde would not do this in mylo and would be doing more to scumhunt.

syr & bacde: opinions on fuzzy-bulba interactions early on?

Mac · Post Post #1689 (ISO) » Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:32 am

In post 46, Bulbazak wrote:For the record, 1337 is why Fuzzy will be caught in 3 pages if scum.

In post 47, fuzzybutternut wrote:
In post 46, Bulbazak wrote:For the record, 1337 is why Fuzzy will be caught in 3 pages if scum.
You do realize I just won a game as scum, when my partner was lynched early game, right?

I'm not as bad as scum as you think I am.

In post 52, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 47, fuzzybutternut wrote:
In post 46, Bulbazak wrote:For the record, 1337 is why Fuzzy will be caught in 3 pages if scum.
You do realize I just won a game as scum, when my partner was lynched early game, right?

I'm not as bad as scum as you think I am.
Well I hope you've improved since then. It was your first scum game, iirc.

In post 53, Mac wrote:Why do you hope he has improved as scum?

In post 54, Bulbazak wrote:His scum play in 1337 was dreadful. If he hasn't improved as scum since then, there's something wrong.

In post 55, Mac wrote:I know it was. It lost us the game... but still, bad scum can only be good for the town?

In post 65, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 56, Does Bo Know wrote:Mac makes a point. Why would you hope a scum game has improved unless you were scum with him yourself?
I like a challenge. If scum are not challenging me, the game's not fun. Plus, we should always be about self-improvement. I've been ragging on Fuzzy about his first scum game for awhile now, but I always hoped he would improve as a player. I'd much rather play with good players than bad ones, as bad ones suck the fun out of everything.

Bulbazak · Post Post #1690 (ISO) » Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:17 pm

In post 1684, Syryana wrote: What are your current reads, Bulb?

Still a little confused, especially after finishing the ISOs, as I can see reasons everybody could be the wolf. However, I still don't think your play matches wolf intent, even though I hated your pushes yesterday. I still feel that you would have NK'd me as wolf due to Donner Party paranoia. Bacde's early game is so town and genuine it's not funny. It is true that he townread Fuzzy, but he quickly discerned Fuzzy's alignment and explained his thought process later, all of which matches and is consistent when you go back to look at it. His play yesterday kinda makes sense from a hopeless town perspective as well. That leaves Mac, the one player that my gut has been screaming "wolf" at me all day. I think I have a pretty good case, but I need the time to put it together, and I don't have the time or patience to do it tonight.

Any other questions for me?

Mac · Post Post #1691 (ISO) » Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:36 am

is that the gut that had me as confirmed town by poe?

Bacde · Post Post #1692 (ISO) » Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:27 am

I think that gut also had G_M as confirmed town by poe

Syryana · Post Post #1693 (ISO) » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:16 pm

I'm going to read interactions and shit tomorrow

Bacde why are you being so lame

I want to talk to you tomorrow

You better be here

Syryana · Post Post #1694 (ISO) » Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:35 am

In post 1687, Bacde wrote:I REALLY thought he was town d1, we meshed really well together and agreed on Klick being scum for a really good reason

You really thought I was town D1 as well, yet now you are saying I am the wolf for some pretty sorry reasons. Why are you making zero effort to figure anyone out? We're down to the wire here and all you have is stuff from people you vocally never trusted before their deaths.

In post 1687, Bacde wrote:now I'm less sure, it feels like he's trying to jab at me for things that are just obviously wrong, like telling me that I'm not answering questions that I clearly am

it weird, cuz yesterday I felt like his pressure on me was townie. Like, I was pretty lazy yesterday

Does his 1688 change your opinion?

In post 1688, Mac wrote: because your answer is entirely based from other people's reads and actions and not your own.

tell me, why could wolf-Bulba, wolf-Mac or wolf-Bacde not kill off GM to frame Syr?

and PP's reads were terrible and she got hammered for that EXACT reason yet you seem to be acting like they are the foundations of the town and without them we will crumble. again, i don't know why you do not view other dead people's reads with a similar high-regard that you hold PP's reads with.

i feel like you are coasting your way through this game, especially yesterday where you did literally nothing for about a week despite me constantly jabbing you too. i feel like town bacde would not do this in mylo and would be doing more to scumhunt.

I really couldn't have said it better myself.

In post 1688, Mac wrote:syr & bacde: opinions on fuzzy-bulba interactions early on?

They're interesting and seem to support the Bulba-wolf theory, but I ultimately think that Bulba's reaction to my case on him yesterday was more damning.

In post 1690, Bulbazak wrote:Still a little confused, especially after finishing the ISOs, as I can see reasons everybody could be the wolf. However, I still don't think your play matches wolf intent, even though I hated your pushes yesterday. I still feel that you would have NK'd me as wolf due to Donner Party paranoia. Bacde's early game is so town and genuine it's not funny. It is true that he townread Fuzzy, but he quickly discerned Fuzzy's alignment and explained his thought process later, all of which matches and is consistent when you go back to look at it. His play yesterday kinda makes sense from a hopeless town perspective as well. That leaves Mac, the one player that my gut has been screaming "wolf" at me all day. I think I have a pretty good case, but I need the time to put it together, and I don't have the time or patience to do it tonight.

Any other questions for me?

You had a pretty hard scumread on me yesterDay. Why has that vanished? Because my play doesn't show wolf intent? Why not?

Show me Bacde's thought process. I want to see why you think he's so town.

I'm interested to see this Mac-wolf case.

Mac · Post Post #1695 (ISO) » Sat Jun 29, 2013 3:55 am

VOTE: bacde

when you get to hell, tell them kuribo sent you

Syryana · Post Post #1696 (ISO) » Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:11 am

In post 1695, Mac wrote:VOTE: bacde

when you get to hell, tell them kuribo sent you

Whaa? What happened to the bulba-wolf read?

Mac · Post Post #1697 (ISO) » Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:12 am

the bacde read is stronger

Mac · Post Post #1698 (ISO) » Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:12 am

actually

wait wait wait

Syryana · Post Post #1699 (ISO) » Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:14 am

I'm sitting here staring at the screen with my mouth hanging open

What the actual fuck Mac